Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What was denied them?

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is my point exactly.

You are leaving out a few points.

A state exists separate from recognition by other states.

A state does not cease to exist while occupied.

People in non self governing territories have the inalienable right:

To self determination without external interference.

To independence and sovereignty.

To territorial integrity.​

BTW, what is a "legal entity?"

(COMMENT)

Point #1: A state exists separate from recognition by other states.

What does this mean? It means nothing if it is not recognized. It sounds great, but to be a "State" --- it must have some "capacity." There is no one international document that expresses the meaning of a "state" in its total form. The two most commonly accepted meanings are expressed in:

Article 1: Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933; (AKA: Montevideo Convention)

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

a ) a permanent population;
b ) a defined territory;
c ) government; and
d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​

Excerpt --- Opinion No. 1 of the Arbitration Committee, Badinter Arbitration Committee 3EJIL(1992)178

1) The Committee considers:

a) that the answer to the question should be based on the principles of public international law which serve to define the conditions on which an entity constitutes a state; that in this respect, the existence or disappearance of the state is a question of fact; that the effects of recognition by other states are purely declaratory;
b) that the state is commonly defined as a community which consists of a territory and a population subject to an organized political authority; that such a state is characterized by sovereignty;
c) that, for the purpose of applying these criteria, the form of internal political organization and the constitutional provisions are mere facts, although it is necessary to take them into consideration in order to determine the Government's way over the population and the territory;
d) that in the case of a federal-type state, which embraces communities that possess a degree of autonomy and, moreover, participate in the exercise of political power within the framework of institutions common to the Federation, the existence of the state implies that the federal organs represent the components of the Federation and wield effective power;
​

Together, these legal frameworks are not contradictory. In effect they both agree that a characteristic of a "state" is a government with the capacity to enter into relations with other states." (I use the Montevideo Convention language because it is simpler - yet not all encompassing.) It makes the point that in order for a Palestinian State to exist, the Palestinians needed to have this capacity. And just as clearly, this capacity did not exist for the Palestinians until after 1988.​

Point #2: A state does not cease to exist while occupied.

This is actually a faulty assumption, improperly stated - and over simplified. The contemporary states of Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria --- non-existent before WWI, all "occupied" by the Allied Powers during (and after) the War, and subsequently surrendered at the conclusion of hostilities and while "occupied" --- were partitioned and placed under Mandate and later given independence. This is an evolutionary process in the change from one sovereignty to another. In modern times this is sometimes referred to as the "transition to a successor state."

Excerpt --- Opinion No. 1 of the Arbitration Committee, Badinter Arbitration Committee 3EJIL(1992)178

e) that, in compliance with the accepted definition in international law, the expression 'state succession' means the replacement of one state by another in the responsibility for the international relations of territory. This occurs whenever there is a change in the territory of the state. The phenomenon of state succession is governed by the principles of international law, from which the Vienna Conventions of 23 August 1978 and 8 April 1983 have drawn inspiration. In compliance with these principles, the outcome of succession should be equitable, the states concerned being free of terms of settlement and conditions by agreement. Moreover, the peremptory norms of general international law and, in particular, respect for the fundamental rights of the individual and the rights of peoples and minorities, are binding on all the parties to the succession.

​

Excerpt --- Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of State Property, Archives and Debts Done at Vienna on 8 April 1983 --- Article 2 --- Use of terms:

1.For the purposes of the present Convention:

(a) “succession of States” means the replacement of one State by another in the responsibility for the international relations of territory;
(b) “predecessor State” means the State which has been replaced by another State on the occurrence of a succession of States;
(c) “successor State” means the State which has replaced another State on the occurrence of a succession of States;
(d) “date of the succession of States” means the date upon which the successor State replaced the predecessor State in the responsibility for the international relations of the territory to which the succession of States relates;
(e) “newly independent State” means a successor State the territory of which, immediately before the date of the succession of States, was a dependent territory for the international relations of which the predecessor State was responsible;
(f) “third State” means any State other than the predecessor State or the successor State.
​

The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, hereinafter described as Palestine, was a "dependent territory" during the entire tenure of the Mandate and the successor Trusteeship. It was never a "state" that have a government which had the capacities under customary international laws to act as a state.

Under the terms of the Mandate for Palestine (Article 12), the Mandatory was entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. The Mandatory was entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limit. Under the terms of the Mandate for Palestine (Article 9), the Mandatory was responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights. Under the terms of the Mandate for Palestine (Article 1), the Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.​

Point #3: People in non self governing territories have the inalienable right:

The Customary understanding of A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974 relative to the Reaffirmation of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, does not actually grant anything tangible. Being acknowledged as having a "right" that can not be forfeited (not able to be surrendered, or transferred to another), it not the same as actually taking a step towards exercising the right. I have an "inalienable right" to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," --- that does not mean that it must be handed to me; I must work for them. Just the same as the Palestinians must work for:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference; and
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

Point #4: "BTW, what is a "legal entity?" ----

What is LEGAL ENTITY?
A lawful or legally standing association, corporation, partnership, proprietorship, trust, or individual. Has legal capacity to (1) enter into agreements or contracts, (2) assume obligations, (3) incur and pay debts, (4) sue and be sued in its own right, and (5) to be accountable for illegal activities.

Law Dictionary: What is LEGAL ENTITY? definition of LEGAL ENTITY (Black's Law Dictionary) ​

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that Palestinians have everything except that which has been denied to them by illegal external interference.

Denying rights do not negate those rights.

(QUESTIONS)

• What was denied?
• What external influence denied it?

Most Respectfully,
R

Jeese, Rocco, you pretend to be the expert. You should know this stuff.

Nice duck.

BTW, YOU are the one who always pretends to be the expert, yet you're wrong 98% of the time.

 

[toastman]

So Tinmore, what was denied and what external interference denied it? You should have proof of this since you parrot it 24/7

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hope so.
Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

 

[RoccoR]

JakeStarkey, et al,

The sentiment expressed here is merely a reflection of the growing weariness and fatigue of the international community with the continuing struggle in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Basically, the international community is very tired of the continuation of the conflict and the lack of progress towards settlement of complaints and claims. Essentially, the parties are no closer to resolution today then they were at any time in the past.

Hope so.
Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

(COMMENT)

Within the US, and some other countries in the world, the support of one side or the other for six decades has proven totally unproductive in the progress for peace. There are a couple of factions that oppose the Rand Paul movement to cut any funding and support to the Palestinians. One such factional element pushes forward the idea that the Palestinians are being subject to collective punishment for invoking the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a peaceful means to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

However, this position is faulty. It suggests that there was no other alternative, as a peaceful means, to resolve the conflict. But there was --- just avoided --- in favor of hostile alternatives. Not only were the options available under the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in which States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute; --- BUT --- the parties (Israeli and Palestinian) also made agreements via the Oslo Accords:

Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements,

Article V​

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or preempted by agreements reached for the interim period.
​

Article X

JOINT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN LIAISON COMMITTEE​

In order to provide for a smooth implementation of this Declaration of Principles and any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, upon the entry into force of this Declaration of Principles, a Joint Israeli-Palestinian Liaison Committee will be established in order to deal with issues requiring coordination, other issues of common interest and disputes.
​

Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES​

1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip​

ARTICLE XXI​

SETTLEMENT OF DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES​

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.​

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means. Thus the recent interest in the ICC is merely a method of furthering a more hostile environment between the two parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MeBelle]

RoccoR OT question...how did you develop your writing style?

 

[JakeStarkey]

He copied someone probably.

 

[RoccoR]

MeBelle60, JakeStarkey, et al,

(OFF TOPIC)

Ah, yes. I've had a number of people remark about the way in which I compose my commentaries; in content, in organization, and in the manner of presentation. Most of these observations are negative in complexion.

RoccoR OT question...how did you develop your writing style?

He copied someone probably.

(ANSWER)

Yes, our friend "JakeStarkey" is partially correct; the presentation is not my own, but a modified form of a one-sided 1960's style technical research discussion paper.

(COMMENT)

I don't think I've ever had an "original thought;" but just draw upon a compilation of past experiences to express the opinions I have in point-by-point form with supporting documentation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Does his bill address our aid to Israel?

Separate issue and not on the agenda, so no. Any problems with that take it up with your representative

 

[P F Tinmore]

JakeStarkey, et al,

The sentiment expressed here is merely a reflection of the growing weariness and fatigue of the international community with the continuing struggle in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Basically, the international community is very tired of the continuation of the conflict and the lack of progress towards settlement of complaints and claims. Essentially, the parties are no closer to resolution today then they were at any time in the past.

Hope so.
Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

(COMMENT)

Within the US, and some other countries in the world, the support of one side or the other for six decades has proven totally unproductive in the progress for peace. There are a couple of factions that oppose the Rand Paul movement to cut any funding and support to the Palestinians. One such factional element pushes forward the idea that the Palestinians are being subject to collective punishment for invoking the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a peaceful means to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

However, this position is faulty. It suggests that there was no other alternative, as a peaceful means, to resolve the conflict. But there was --- just avoided --- in favor of hostile alternatives. Not only were the options available under the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in which States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute; --- BUT --- the parties (Israeli and Palestinian) also made agreements via the Oslo Accords:

Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements,

Article V

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or preempted by agreements reached for the interim period.​

Article X

JOINT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN LIAISON COMMITTEE​

In order to provide for a smooth implementation of this Declaration of Principles and any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, upon the entry into force of this Declaration of Principles, a Joint Israeli-Palestinian Liaison Committee will be established in order to deal with issues requiring coordination, other issues of common interest and disputes.​

Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES​

1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

ARTICLE XXI

SETTLEMENT OF DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES​

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.​

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means. Thus the recent interest in the ICC is merely a method of furthering a more hostile environment between the two parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means.​

You keep pimping that lie, Rocco.

Palestine was born under the gun and that has continued to today.

Palestine has been on the receiving end of violence for a hundred years.

They have never had a choice.

 

[toastman]

JakeStarkey, et al,

The sentiment expressed here is merely a reflection of the growing weariness and fatigue of the international community with the continuing struggle in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Basically, the international community is very tired of the continuation of the conflict and the lack of progress towards settlement of complaints and claims. Essentially, the parties are no closer to resolution today then they were at any time in the past.

Hope so.
Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

(COMMENT)

Within the US, and some other countries in the world, the support of one side or the other for six decades has proven totally unproductive in the progress for peace. There are a couple of factions that oppose the Rand Paul movement to cut any funding and support to the Palestinians. One such factional element pushes forward the idea that the Palestinians are being subject to collective punishment for invoking the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a peaceful means to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

However, this position is faulty. It suggests that there was no other alternative, as a peaceful means, to resolve the conflict. But there was --- just avoided --- in favor of hostile alternatives. Not only were the options available under the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in which States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute; --- BUT --- the parties (Israeli and Palestinian) also made agreements via the Oslo Accords:

Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements,

Article V

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or preempted by agreements reached for the interim period.​

Article X

JOINT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN LIAISON COMMITTEE​

In order to provide for a smooth implementation of this Declaration of Principles and any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, upon the entry into force of this Declaration of Principles, a Joint Israeli-Palestinian Liaison Committee will be established in order to deal with issues requiring coordination, other issues of common interest and disputes.​

Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES​

1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

ARTICLE XXI

SETTLEMENT OF DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES​

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.​

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means. Thus the recent interest in the ICC is merely a method of furthering a more hostile environment between the two parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means.​

You keep pimping that lie, Rocco.

Palestine was born under the gun and that has continued to today.

Palestine has been on the receiving end of violence for a hundred years.

They have never had a choice.

What a load of crap.

 

[Phoenall]

I can't stop thinking about all those kids in Gaza, and the incredible destruction. My mind won't let go of it.

Blame it on their leaders that prefer death and destruction to peace.

 

[Phoenall]

JakeStarkey, et al,

The sentiment expressed here is merely a reflection of the growing weariness and fatigue of the international community with the continuing struggle in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Basically, the international community is very tired of the continuation of the conflict and the lack of progress towards settlement of complaints and claims. Essentially, the parties are no closer to resolution today then they were at any time in the past.

Hope so.
Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

(COMMENT)

Within the US, and some other countries in the world, the support of one side or the other for six decades has proven totally unproductive in the progress for peace. There are a couple of factions that oppose the Rand Paul movement to cut any funding and support to the Palestinians. One such factional element pushes forward the idea that the Palestinians are being subject to collective punishment for invoking the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a peaceful means to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

However, this position is faulty. It suggests that there was no other alternative, as a peaceful means, to resolve the conflict. But there was --- just avoided --- in favor of hostile alternatives. Not only were the options available under the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in which States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute; --- BUT --- the parties (Israeli and Palestinian) also made agreements via the Oslo Accords:

Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements,

Article V

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or preempted by agreements reached for the interim period.​

Article X

JOINT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN LIAISON COMMITTEE​

In order to provide for a smooth implementation of this Declaration of Principles and any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, upon the entry into force of this Declaration of Principles, a Joint Israeli-Palestinian Liaison Committee will be established in order to deal with issues requiring coordination, other issues of common interest and disputes.​

Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES​

1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

ARTICLE XXI

SETTLEMENT OF DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES​

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.​

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means. Thus the recent interest in the ICC is merely a method of furthering a more hostile environment between the two parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians purposely chose a violent alternative to peaceful means.​

You keep pimping that lie, Rocco.

Palestine was born under the gun and that has continued to today.

Palestine has been on the receiving end of violence for a hundred years.

They have never had a choice.

No guns around 2,000 years ago, just rocks and clubs. Something the arab muslims used from 635 C.E. to conquer and steal the land of Palestine. Palestine has known nothing else but violence and the vast majority has been at the hands of illegal arab muslim migrants. So yes the true Palestinians and Palestine has been on the end of arab muslim violence for 1400 years, now the worm has turned and the arab muslims are impotent.

 

[montelatici]

Who did the Arab Muslims "steal"Palestine from, genius. And guess which people were allowed to return to Jerusalem after the Arab Muslims conquered it.

 

[Treeshepherd]

There was never a nation of Palestine. The area was a sparsely populated barony of the Ottoman Empire and the British Empire, and fell to the League of Nations. Jews began moving there en masse in the 1880s. In 1917, Britain drafted the Balfour Declaration that outlined conditions to create a "national home" for Jews in 'Palestine'.
There is still no Palestinian nation. There are people of Arab descent who live in the nation of Israel, established in 1947.
These so-called Palestinians are a victim group that makes it's living by being victimized. That's why Arafat walked away from the peace deal brokered by Clinton. He made his living on conflict, and died a very wealthy man.
The 'Palestinians' have been expelled from Syria, Jordan, Quwait, UAE, Egypt, etc. Nobody wants them because their entire mode of operation is to be floppers, like in basketball. They are a radicalized group of disgruntled Arabs who instigate attacks on themselves for photo ops so the international community will send them money.

 

[pbel]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

A.I.P.A.C.

 

[Jroc]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

A.I.P.A.C.

Jew hater

 

[Phoenall]

Who did the Arab Muslims "steal"Palestine from, genius. And guess which people were allowed to return to Jerusalem after the Arab Muslims conquered it.

The legal land owners under customary international law of the time. Guess who lost control of the whole of Palestine in 1099 and did not gain it back EVER

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who did the Arab Muslims "steal"Palestine from, genius. And guess which people were allowed to return to Jerusalem after the Arab Muslims conquered it.

The legal land owners under customary international law of the time. Guess who lost control of the whole of Palestine in 1099 and did not gain it back EVER

Who were the "legal land owners?" It was not the LoN or the British. They merely held the land in trust until the people could stand alone.

 

[pbel]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

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The typical ZioNut defense as though hate would somehow affect the workings of a political action committee that puts Israel's Interests ahead of America's...

 

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Who did the Arab Muslims "steal"Palestine from, genius. And guess which people were allowed to return to Jerusalem after the Arab Muslims conquered it.

The legal land owners under customary international law of the time. Guess who lost control of the whole of Palestine in 1099 and did not gain it back EVER

Who were the "legal land owners?" It was not the LoN or the British. They merely held the land in trust until the people could stand alone.

The terms of surrender passed legal land ownership to the LoN, as was CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW of the time. They drew up the various mandates and allocated parcels of land to different groups. In the case of Palestine the British were given the Mandate and they were tasked with certain obligations.


Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations[edit]
The preamble of the Mandate document states that the Mandate is granted to Britain "for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations". That article, which concerns entrusting "tutelage" of colonies formerly under German and Turkish sovereignty to other, "advanced", nations", states with specific regard to "[c]ommunities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire" that they "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone." Throughout the period of the Mandate, Palestinian leaders cited this as proving their assertion that the British were obliged under the terms of the Mandate to facilitate the eventual creation of an independent Arab state in Palestine.