RAND: net gain of 9.3 million more insured Americans

[Politico]

That's the point, hj, everyone is either getting insurance for the first time or better insurance than before. With the 10mm enrolled in Medicare, ACA, and the state exchanges, we GOP cannot stop this, nor should we.

But . . . we should improve it, just as we did with SS, Medicaid, and Medicare, and took the lead on Senior drugs.

Not they are not getting better insurance. Again the number is bullshit. And the ones who have gone through the website did so to avoid the penalty.

 

[JimH52]

Desperation is beginning to set in the GOP. Obamacare is steadily gaining support and they are losing their number one battering ram. Tis Sad...

 

[Antares]

Poor Jim, what is sad is your sides inability to admit that the King can and has failed at most everything he has tried.

 

[Katzndogz]

Signing up for obamacare is the law. If someone does not want to be penalized, they sign up for obamacare. The question really is how many people are so happy with obamacare that they will vote for democrats. After all, it is entirely possible for someone to sign up for obamacare under duress and still hate it.

 

[billyerock1991]

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According to the Rand Corporation - on March 28, 2014 4.7% more Americans have health insurance than had health insurance at the end of September 2013... cool!

Millions More People Are Getting Health Insurance Because Of Obamacare, Survey Finds

Chris Gentilviso
04/08/2014

Nearly one week after White House enrollment numbers showed Obamacare surpassing the seven-million mark, an economist-driven survey is projecting more good news for the Affordable Care Act.

RAND Corporation released its findings Tuesday, showing that the health care law is poised to spur a net gain of 9.3 million more insured Americans. The survey results were collected through March 28, 2014, and respondents will be part of a follow-up later in April, once new data is available.

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Where is the proof of the White House enrollment numbers? So far, not a single shred of proof has been offered to the people of this country. Given that this Administration is so corrupt and lie at the drop of a hat, why should anyone believe them?

the rand corporation gets their numbers from all the insurance companies .... you too can do that... so does the white house... if you took a little time to do some god damn research for once in your miserable life you would have known that ... you show us where it says they didn't sign up... if you can...

 

[billyerock1991]

Funny how we still have fewer people insured than we did when Bush was president, yet you are declaring victory.

You may find it funny that people are unemployed and uninsured but I don't understand your humor... but-----but I agree with the rest of your post because-----because most people get their health insurance through an employer and the Bush economy purged lots-o-jobs but-----but if you want to make that kind of comparison, knock yourself out - but before you do, check out how much worse the percentage of uninsured got on Bush's watch compared to Clinton's.

United States
Percent uninsured, 1999–2012

1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
13.6 13.1 13.5... 13.9 14.6 ..14.3 14.6 15.2 ...14.7 14.9

2009 2010 2011 2012
16.1 16.3 ...15.7 15.4
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Dear Star and Quantum:
Why not just have the Parties negotiate insurance packages for their own members?

So if you get screwed, you complain to your own Party and reps.

Many people would NOT mind paying more, in exchange for greater freedoms.
Others would NOT mind giving up freedoms for benefits they'd rather have.

Why not let Parties decide separately, since so many issues are divided on Party lines
anyway? Why not organize separate networks, where citizens receive exemptions no matter which plans they invest in, as long as they agree to them by party or other group?

If the point is to get everyone covered, why not encourage and reward people for organizing the way they want to pay to cover their own health care and members?

it doesn't work Emily Cinicola ... why??? they can cancel you they can deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition, they can put caps on it ... when are you going to learn ... every time you post you post the same ole shit

 

[billyerock1991]

And still unfavorable:




https://mmicdata.rand.org/alp/index.php?page=hros#overall-opinion

correction
actually the favorable has moved to 45%, ...

So you're arguing the RAND study doesn't know what it's own study states?

RAND Health Reform Opinion Study

^^^Title of link I provided^^^

Unfavorable 51.6%

Favorable 37.8%

Don't know 10.1%

this was the study by gallop ...like all studies some come up with different numbers the real question is whose right... My guess its not you ...

 

[billyerock1991]

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According to the Rand Corporation - on March 28, 2014 4.7% more Americans have health insurance than had health insurance at the end of September 2013... cool!

Millions More People Are Getting Health Insurance Because Of Obamacare, Survey Finds

Chris Gentilviso
04/08/2014

Nearly one week after White House enrollment numbers showed Obamacare surpassing the seven-million mark, an economist-driven survey is projecting more good news for the Affordable Care Act.

RAND Corporation released its findings Tuesday, showing that the health care law is poised to spur a net gain of 9.3 million more insured Americans. The survey results were collected through March 28, 2014, and respondents will be part of a follow-up later in April, once new data is available.

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What percentage of those previously had insurance, had it canceled because of the ACA, and were forced to buy it through the government?

More than had no insurance and signed up.

its irrelevant ... the number who sign up is the number of people who now have better health care .... when the word gets out more and more people will sign up ...

 

[billyerock1991]

That's the point, hj, everyone is either getting insurance for the first time or better insurance than before. With the 10mm enrolled in Medicare, ACA, and the state exchanges, we GOP cannot stop this, nor should we.

But . . . we should improve it, just as we did with SS, Medicaid, and Medicare, and took the lead on Senior drugs.

Simply not true old boy.

It isn't better, it IS more expensive.

Now since you are on record as agreeing with this study.....

Obama said 7.1 MILLION through the Exchanges.....

This study says 3.9.....only 1.4 of which were previously uninsured.

Your Boi lied.

It also says that 7.8 bought OFF Exchange.....BUT of those 7.3 were insured prior.

And then there is this.....Sebilius resigned BECAUSE it has been such a huge success?

Even you aren't that stupid.

Grow up Jake and admit this is not the success the Boi King is claiming.

you do realize old boy that nobody takes a paid poster serious don't you, old boy

 

[billyerock1991]

How come the people declaring an amazing victory for Obama never mention the 40 plus
million that needed coverage when all this started.and how about the 5 million that lost
coverage because of ObamaCare.

Now all of a sudden we have more people covererd then before....

Either Obama was lying again when he said 48 million people needed coverage.
Or someone's lying now saying we have more people covered.

Pick your liar.

here's the problem you have with your post ... the people who you say lost their health care didn't actually lose their health care ... they lost the plan they had to a new one... to imply they lost it is incorrect...

second these are the numbers that have health care you can deny them all you want but these are the facts
1) private health care plan 7.5 million people which has been changed to 9.3 million
2) Medicaid 5.5 million
3) people under 26 3.8 million

so the actual correct number for meople who have signed up for health care would be 18.6 million have signed up for health care ... so your 40 million number should be changed to a correct number.. I'm just saying

I think the numbers are low because the figures are based on the number of plans sold through the exchanges. Plans sold through brokers and directly from the insurers are not included. A lot of people who could not qualify for a subsidy purchased plans directly from insurance companies and brokers where there were more choice and grandfathered plans available.

We also can expect the number of uninsured to continue to drop when employee plans come under Obamacare because large companies are required to offer health insurance and employers of less than 50 employees will be able to take advantage of Small Business Health Options.

Once we see the increased enrollment in employee sponsored plans which is where most of us get our insurance, we will have a complete picture as to how effective Obamacare has been at reducing the uninsured.

just so we are clear ...Antare said their were only 1.4 million who were new policy holders ... I realize that the people who take medicaid do not pay for theirs, the government does ... that's still new people signing up for health care and that's insurance companies making money on new insurance sign ups ... these guys want to play with the numbers to justify themselves ...what they are see is people who had bad plans who have better plans now ... I know I did... these republicans look for every little thing they can to try a deny the fact that people are taking advantage of the new health care now and that pisses these republicans off .... the totally deny medicaid as being new sign ups thats what they don't get... the fact that these people who have sign up for medicaid are now not costing us huge losses in the medical community ... that's what these moronic republicans don't get ...

 

[billyerock1991]

That's the point, hj, everyone is either getting insurance for the first time or better insurance than before. With the 10mm enrolled in Medicare, ACA, and the state exchanges, we GOP cannot stop this, nor should we.

But . . . we should improve it, just as we did with SS, Medicaid, and Medicare, and took the lead on Senior drugs.

Not they are not getting better insurance. Again the number is bullshit. And the ones who have gone through the website did so to avoid the penalty.

all they have said if they have 7.5 million who have sign up for health care, who pays for what, where and how much are new, and how much aren't , isn't something thats is being discussed by anyone accept disgruntled republicans

 

[billyerock1991]

That's the point, hj, everyone is either getting insurance for the first time or better insurance than before. With the 10mm enrolled in Medicare, ACA, and the state exchanges, we GOP cannot stop this, nor should we.

But . . . we should improve it, just as we did with SS, Medicaid, and Medicare, and took the lead on Senior drugs.

Not they are not getting better insurance. Again the number is bullshit. And the ones who have gone through the website did so to avoid the penalty.

all they have said if they have 7.5 million who have sign up for health care, who pays for what, where and how much are new, and how much aren't , isn't something thats is being discussed by anyone accept disgruntled republicans

Poor Jim, what is sad is your sides inability to admit that the King can and has failed at most everything he has tried.

poor antares, he doesn't realize yet that nobody takes him serious ...after all he is a paid poster by BCBS ... and will say just about anything to save his job ...

 

[Dot Com]

Funny how we still have fewer people insured than we did when Bush was president, yet you are declaring victory.

You may find it funny that people are unemployed and uninsured but I don't understand your humor... but-----but I agree with the rest of your post because-----because most people get their health insurance through an employer and the Bush economy purged lots-o-jobs but-----but if you want to make that kind of comparison, knock yourself out - but before you do, check out how much worse the percentage of uninsured got on Bush's watch compared to Clinton's.

United States
Percent uninsured, 1999&#8211;2012

1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
13.6 13.1 13.5... 13.9 14.6 ..14.3 14.6 15.2 ...14.7 14.9

2009 2010 2011 2012
16.1 16.3 ...15.7 15.4
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Dear Star and Quantum:
Why not just have the Parties negotiate insurance packages for their own members?

So if you get screwed, you complain to your own Party and reps.

Many people would NOT mind paying more, in exchange for greater freedoms.
Others would NOT mind giving up freedoms for benefits they'd rather have.

Why not let Parties decide separately, since so many issues are divided on Party lines
anyway? Why not organize separate networks, where citizens receive exemptions no matter which plans they invest in, as long as they agree to them by party or other group?

If the point is to get everyone covered, why not encourage and reward people for organizing the way they want to pay to cover their own health care and members?

oh bejeezus Seriously, where do you come up w/ this stuff?