If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
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Being racist has nothing to do with this thread....it is all about whether a white lady cop should have been in fear of her life...... believing she was in her own home and confronted with a nigha who refused to comply with her command of 'show me your hands' the nigha as is now known was smokin dope and in his state of mind he did not act rationally.
Nonsense. She had plenty of opportunities to de-escalate. She could have called for back up. She could have retreated into the hallway. She could have gone to the fire stairs. There were ample chances for her to defuse the situation and she had more than enough training to recognize them.
So many opportunities to de-escalate in fact, that her defense was left so desperate that they actually argued the Castle Doctrine in the closing arguments. That's how many chances she had to de-escalate.
Alas, shooting someone to death in their own home.....isn't how the Castle Doctrine works.
Remember, you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Several problems with your pseudo-legal analysis:Thus the two main factors in this case...a white police lady who mistakenly believed she was in her own residence confronted wid a nigha under the influence of marijuana refusing to obey a lawful police order.....these two factors are what caused the shooting.
First, she wasn't working as a cop. She was off duty. She can't give 'lawful orders as a police officer' when she's not working as a police officer. The Dallas PD *never* backed her claim that she gave a 'lawful order'. Instead, they fired her ass citing 'adverse conduct'. Even her lawyers never argued that she gave a 'lawful order'.
Second, two other witnesses to the event contradict Guyger's claim that she told Jean to 'put up his hands' in his own home.
Third, there was strong reason to believe that Amber Guyger lied her ass off. As she claimed to have given CPR to Jean. Yet there wasn't a drop of blood on her, her clothes, the gloves she was carrying, or even her shoes. Meanwhile, Jean's chest wound was spewing so much blood with chest compressions by the paramedics that the blood pooled in the stretcher and left a bloody trail behind it in the hallway.
So we have a woman who is contradicted by two witnesses and gave a statement that the evidence strongly indicates was a lie.
And yet you expect the jury to believe her?
Again my friend....you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Yeh a witness who just got killed in a drug deal. No credibility.
A policeman is not a paramedic. The wound may not have even been bleeding when she tried cpr.
If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
I agree, but she isnt under any obligation to retreat. Still, it would have been the wise move.If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa Lookie here girl....when she started to put her key in-- the door swung open....she probably thought she either forgot to lock the door or there was a problem with the lock....and you as well as most do not understand how quickly all this went down...the door swung up and she took a couple of steps inside spotted what she thought was the intruder and the rest is history. All this took 3 or 4 seconds at most.
Again, you don't even read your own links:
Amber wasn't even working in a private security capacity. Face it, you gotta lotta nothin' burgers.Off-Duty Liability
While cops retain much of their legal authority while off-duty, some critics claim they are not held to the same legal standards when working a second job or off-the-clock entirely. Private security companies are not bound by the same regulations, constitutional protections, or civil liberties concerns as public police departments. And, while some cities will accept civil liability for off-duty police behavior, it's an open question whether an officer will be civilly or criminally liable for acts committed when they're not on the clock.
But the Ninth Circuit, however, recently ruled that off-duty police officers working private security jobs are not entitled to the same qualified immunity as they would be if they were working on behalf of the government. So, in some cases, legal protections for officers may be limited to their on-duty conduct.
If you've had an interaction with an off-duty cop and want to know your rights, contact an experienced criminal defense attorney in your area.
Being racist has nothing to do with this thread....it is all about whether a white lady cop should have been in fear of her life...... believing she was in her own home and confronted with a nigha who refused to comply with her command of 'show me your hands' the nigha as is now known was smokin dope and in his state of mind he did not act rationally.
Nonsense. She had plenty of opportunities to de-escalate. She could have called for back up. She could have retreated into the hallway. She could have gone to the fire stairs. There were ample chances for her to defuse the situation and she had more than enough training to recognize them.
So many opportunities to de-escalate in fact, that her defense was left so desperate that they actually argued the Castle Doctrine in the closing arguments. That's how many chances she had to de-escalate.
Alas, shooting someone to death in their own home.....isn't how the Castle Doctrine works.
Remember, you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Several problems with your pseudo-legal analysis:Thus the two main factors in this case...a white police lady who mistakenly believed she was in her own residence confronted wid a nigha under the influence of marijuana refusing to obey a lawful police order.....these two factors are what caused the shooting.
First, she wasn't working as a cop. She was off duty. She can't give 'lawful orders as a police officer' when she's not working as a police officer. The Dallas PD *never* backed her claim that she gave a 'lawful order'. Instead, they fired her ass citing 'adverse conduct'. Even her lawyers never argued that she gave a 'lawful order'.
Second, two other witnesses to the event contradict Guyger's claim that she told Jean to 'put up his hands' in his own home.
Third, there was strong reason to believe that Amber Guyger lied her ass off. As she claimed to have given CPR to Jean. Yet there wasn't a drop of blood on her, her clothes, the gloves she was carrying, or even her shoes. Meanwhile, Jean's chest wound was spewing so much blood with chest compressions by the paramedics that the blood pooled in the stretcher and left a bloody trail behind it in the hallway.
So we have a woman who is contradicted by two witnesses and gave a statement that the evidence strongly indicates was a lie.
And yet you expect the jury to believe her?
Again my friend....you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Yeh a witness who just got killed in a drug deal. No credibility.
Says you, citing you. At this point you're just ignoring evidence that contradicts you.
The jury didn't ignore what you must to cling to your pseudo-legal gibberish.
A policeman is not a paramedic. The wound may not have even been bleeding when she tried cpr.
So your working theory is that gunshot wounds to the chest.....don't bleed? That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard this year.
She didn't have a drop of blood on her. Not on her skin, not on her clothing, not on the gloves, not even her shoes. Not a single drop. Despite Jean being found in a POOL of blood, with so much blood spewing from his chest wound with each chest compression that it left a pool in the stetcher that left a bloody trail on the floor behind it.
But per your meaningless, pseudo-legal gibberish, his chest wounds didn't bleed.
Surely you can see why the jury didn't buy that steaming pile of nonsense.
The evidence shows that Amber Guyger lied about the CPR. The prosecutor pointed it out repeatedly, even showing the jury her uniform without a drop of blood on it. The jury rightly believed the prosecutor, and the witnesses the contradicted Amber.
And all you can do is ignore the evidence, the witnesses, and make up the ludicrious fantasy that 'gunshot wounds to the chest don't bleed'.
No thank you. As I've said, you're irrational.
I agree, but she isnt under any obligation to retreat. Still, it would have been the wise move.If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
waaaaaaaaaaaaa Lookie here girl....when she started to put her key in-- the door swung open....she probably thought she either forgot to lock the door or there was a problem with the lock..
Again, you don't even read your own links:
Amber wasn't even working in a private security capacity. Face it, you gotta lotta nothin' burgers.Off-Duty Liability
While cops retain much of their legal authority while off-duty, some critics claim they are not held to the same legal standards when working a second job or off-the-clock entirely. Private security companies are not bound by the same regulations, constitutional protections, or civil liberties concerns as public police departments. And, while some cities will accept civil liability for off-duty police behavior, it's an open question whether an officer will be civilly or criminally liable for acts committed when they're not on the clock.
But the Ninth Circuit, however, recently ruled that off-duty police officers working private security jobs are not entitled to the same qualified immunity as they would be if they were working on behalf of the government. So, in some cases, legal protections for officers may be limited to their on-duty conduct.
If you've had an interaction with an off-duty cop and want to know your rights, contact an experienced criminal defense attorney in your area.
Except that's NOT really what happened. But nobody can convince you of anything you're unwilling to accept.I agree, but she isnt under any obligation to retreat. Still, it would have been the wise move.If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
The 'Castle Doctrine' doesn't apply when you're breaking into someone ELSE'S apartment and shooting them to death.
I THINK it was a key card. It didnt work, buy "the door was ajar"waaaaaaaaaaaaa Lookie here girl....when she started to put her key in-- the door swung open....she probably thought she either forgot to lock the door or there was a problem with the lock..
How does a door swing open from inserting a key? If it doesn't fit, you take pause. And a police officer cannot figure this out? Give me a break.
Amber Guyger found guilty of murder at trial in fatal shooting of neighbor Botham JeanAlthough Guyger said that she used her electronic key fob in the lock, the door pushed open, and she immediately drew her service weapon once inside.
waaaaaaaaaaaaa Lookie here girl....when she started to put her key in-- the door swung open....she probably thought she either forgot to lock the door or there was a problem with the lock..
How does a door swing open from inserting a key? If it doesn't fit, you take pause. And a police officer cannot figure this out? Give me a break.
Again, she could have called for back up. She could have retreated farther down the hallway. She could have used the fire stairs. She had opportunities galore to de-escalate the situation. And more than the training enough to recognize those opportunities.
Being racist has nothing to do with this thread....it is all about whether a white lady cop should have been in fear of her life...... believing she was in her own home and confronted with a nigha who refused to comply with her command of 'show me your hands' the nigha as is now known was smokin dope and in his state of mind he did not act rationally.
Nonsense. She had plenty of opportunities to de-escalate. She could have called for back up. She could have retreated into the hallway. She could have gone to the fire stairs. There were ample chances for her to defuse the situation and she had more than enough training to recognize them.
So many opportunities to de-escalate in fact, that her defense was left so desperate that they actually argued the Castle Doctrine in the closing arguments. That's how many chances she had to de-escalate.
Alas, shooting someone to death in their own home.....isn't how the Castle Doctrine works.
Remember, you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Several problems with your pseudo-legal analysis:Thus the two main factors in this case...a white police lady who mistakenly believed she was in her own residence confronted wid a nigha under the influence of marijuana refusing to obey a lawful police order.....these two factors are what caused the shooting.
First, she wasn't working as a cop. She was off duty. She can't give 'lawful orders as a police officer' when she's not working as a police officer. The Dallas PD *never* backed her claim that she gave a 'lawful order'. Instead, they fired her ass citing 'adverse conduct'. Even her lawyers never argued that she gave a 'lawful order'.
Second, two other witnesses to the event contradict Guyger's claim that she told Jean to 'put up his hands' in his own home.
Third, there was strong reason to believe that Amber Guyger lied her ass off. As she claimed to have given CPR to Jean. Yet there wasn't a drop of blood on her, her clothes, the gloves she was carrying, or even her shoes. Meanwhile, Jean's chest wound was spewing so much blood with chest compressions by the paramedics that the blood pooled in the stretcher and left a bloody trail behind it in the hallway.
So we have a woman who is contradicted by two witnesses and gave a statement that the evidence strongly indicates was a lie.
And yet you expect the jury to believe her?
Again my friend....you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Yeh a witness who just got killed in a drug deal. No credibility.
Says you, citing you. At this point you're just ignoring evidence that contradicts you.
The jury didn't ignore what you must to cling to your pseudo-legal gibberish.
A policeman is not a paramedic. The wound may not have even been bleeding when she tried cpr.
So your working theory is that gunshot wounds to the chest.....don't bleed? That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard this year.
She didn't have a drop of blood on her. Not on her skin, not on her clothing, not on the gloves, not even her shoes. Not a single drop. Despite Jean being found in a POOL of blood, with so much blood spewing from his chest wound with each chest compression that it left a pool in the stetcher that left a bloody trail on the floor behind it.
But per your meaningless, pseudo-legal gibberish, his chest wounds didn't bleed.
Surely you can see why the jury didn't buy that steaming pile of nonsense.
The evidence shows that Amber Guyger lied about the CPR. The prosecutor pointed it out repeatedly, even showing the jury her uniform without a drop of blood on it. The jury rightly believed the prosecutor, and the witnesses the contradicted Amber.
And all you can do is ignore the evidence, the witnesses, and make up the ludicrious fantasy that 'gunshot wounds to the chest don't bleed'.
No thank you. As I've said, you're irrational.
Obviously you know little about gunshot wounds............it is quite common where a person bleeds out internally, but the wound remains pretty much blood free. ... or it may take a little while for the wound to start bleeding profusely.
If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
waaaaaaaaaaaaa Lookie here girl....when she started to put her key in-- the door swung open....she probably thought she either forgot to lock the door or there was a problem with the lock..
How does a door swing open from inserting a key? If it doesn't fit, you take pause. And a police officer cannot figure this out? Give me a break.
Not knowing the facts of the case you make yourself look stupid....she did not insert a key she had just started to use her key card when the door opened....being ajar
Yup. There was no 'imminent danger'. She had plenty of opportunity to de-escalate.Again, she could have called for back up. She could have retreated farther down the hallway. She could have used the fire stairs. She had opportunities galore to de-escalate the situation. And more than the training enough to recognize those opportunities.
If she retreats back outside, that would almost guarantee success and her safety. That's why police always enter looking for suspect/suspects with lots of backup.
Remember all this next time you accuse Zimmerman of "murder."Being racist has nothing to do with this thread....it is all about whether a white lady cop should have been in fear of her life...... believing she was in her own home and confronted with a nigha who refused to comply with her command of 'show me your hands' the nigha as is now known was smokin dope and in his state of mind he did not act rationally.
Nonsense. She had plenty of opportunities to de-escalate. She could have called for back up. She could have retreated into the hallway. She could have gone to the fire stairs. There were ample chances for her to defuse the situation and she had more than enough training to recognize them.
So many opportunities to de-escalate in fact, that her defense was left so desperate that they actually argued the Castle Doctrine in the closing arguments. That's how many chances she had to de-escalate.
Alas, shooting someone to death in their own home.....isn't how the Castle Doctrine works.
Remember, you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Several problems with your pseudo-legal analysis:Thus the two main factors in this case...a white police lady who mistakenly believed she was in her own residence confronted wid a nigha under the influence of marijuana refusing to obey a lawful police order.....these two factors are what caused the shooting.
First, she wasn't working as a cop. She was off duty. She can't give 'lawful orders as a police officer' when she's not working as a police officer. The Dallas PD *never* backed her claim that she gave a 'lawful order'. Instead, they fired her ass citing 'adverse conduct'. Even her lawyers never argued that she gave a 'lawful order'.
Second, two other witnesses to the event contradict Guyger's claim that she told Jean to 'put up his hands' in his own home.
Third, there was strong reason to believe that Amber Guyger lied her ass off. As she claimed to have given CPR to Jean. Yet there wasn't a drop of blood on her, her clothes, the gloves she was carrying, or even her shoes. Meanwhile, Jean's chest wound was spewing so much blood with chest compressions by the paramedics that the blood pooled in the stretcher and left a bloody trail behind it in the hallway.
So we have a woman who is contradicted by two witnesses and gave a statement that the evidence strongly indicates was a lie.
And yet you expect the jury to believe her?
Again my friend....you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Yeh a witness who just got killed in a drug deal. No credibility.
Says you, citing you. At this point you're just ignoring evidence that contradicts you.
The jury didn't ignore what you must to cling to your pseudo-legal gibberish.
A policeman is not a paramedic. The wound may not have even been bleeding when she tried cpr.
So your working theory is that gunshot wounds to the chest.....don't bleed? That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard this year.
She didn't have a drop of blood on her. Not on her skin, not on her clothing, not on the gloves, not even her shoes. Not a single drop. Despite Jean being found in a POOL of blood, with so much blood spewing from his chest wound with each chest compression that it left a pool in the stetcher that left a bloody trail on the floor behind it.
But per your meaningless, pseudo-legal gibberish, his chest wounds didn't bleed.
Surely you can see why the jury didn't buy that steaming pile of nonsense.
The evidence shows that Amber Guyger lied about the CPR. The prosecutor pointed it out repeatedly, even showing the jury her uniform without a drop of blood on it. The jury rightly believed the prosecutor, and the witnesses the contradicted Amber.
And all you can do is ignore the evidence, the witnesses, and make up the ludicrious fantasy that 'gunshot wounds to the chest don't bleed'.
No thank you. As I've said, you're irrational.
Obviously you know little about gunshot wounds............it is quite common where a person bleeds out internally, but the wound remains pretty much blood free. ... or it may take a little while for the wound to start bleeding profusely.
Says you, citing you. And you have no idea what you're talking about.
Back in reality, his wound *wasn't' blood free. There were pools of blood on the floor, blood spewing from his wounds during chest compressions (like the one Amber Guyger *claims* she did) to such an extent that they made more pools of blood on the stretcher and left a bloody trail down the hallway.
Yet Amber didn't have a drop of blood on her. Nor a drop of blood on her clothing. Nor a drop of blood on the gloves she was carrying. Nor a drop of blood on her shoes.
Which the prosecutor hammered home repeatedly. Amber obliterated her own credibility with here story about CPR. The evidence simply didn't match her story. So you ignore the evidence.
The jury didn't.
Worse, Amber was contradicted by both witnesses who heard the confrontation on her telling him to raise his hands. The jury didn't believe her. As the evidence didn't support he claim AGAIN. So you ignore the evidence.
The jury didn't.
As I've said, you're hopelessly irrational, allowing your emotion to overcome your reason to such an extent that you ignore overwhelming evidence and make up elaborate pseudo-legal gibberish that have no relevance the case.
Which is why you still cling to your gibberish and your emotions while ignoring the facts of the case.
The jury didn't ignore what you do. Which is why they rightly convicted her of murdering an unarmed man in his own apartment who was minding her own business.
I agree, but she isnt under any obligation to retreat. Still, it would have been the wise move.If she lives along, the door being ajar means only one thing; someone is inside or has been. Because of that, she should have entered cautiously ready to immediately retreat back outside.
The 'Castle Doctrine' doesn't apply when you're breaking into someone ELSE'S apartment and shooting them to death.