Question to those Americans who say they love this country

[bigrebnc1775]

Not sure how we appease Islamic countries.

No one is walking around the mosque issue. Hell, its been a huge discussion for both sides of the issue. Theres nothing wrong with that. Thats the American way.

The Florida Quran burning has been the hot button issue of the last two weeks. Not walking around that.

To say people fear something because they discuss events is just not correct. To hate another people because of their religious beliefs is fear.

Im not afraid of anothers religious belief or color or creed or sexual preference. I love America and fear nothing.

Glad to hear that you do not fall into the media and obama hype of fear. If the crazy preac hers burns a few Muslim books so what If they get piss so what? If they kill so what? That was their plan all along. They do not need a reason to kill.

Watching Faux News has made you stupid, dude.

Supporting obama has made you delusional son

 

[Charles_Main]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.
frontline: target america: terrorist attacks on americans, 1979-1988

According to the IMAM behind the Mosque they can not move it, Because moving it will lead to anger, hate, and violence around the world.

From so called Tolerant, peaceful Muslims.

LOL

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.
frontline: target america: terrorist attacks on americans, 1979-1988

According to the IMAM behind the Mosque they can not move it, Because moving it will lead to anger, hate, and violence around the world.

From so called Tolerant, peaceful Muslims.

LOL

Noted so what else is new?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"To know a person's religion we need not listen to his profession of faith but must find his brand of intolerance." Eric Hoffer

The idiocy inherent in this OP is that somehow tolerance and respect for all religions is a bad thing. No one is bending anywhere, this is America, there is religious freedom, is that not clear by now. The fascist element on the right wants to limit freedom for all religions over 911, they obviously know none of our history of interfering in other nations. If you occupy or interfere in a nation's internal situation you open yourself up to retaliation. Have any of the idiots who hate Islam ever turned their hatred on doctor killers in this nation, on McVeigh a Catholic who killed many, or Eric Rudolph, another Catholic, who thankfully was less successful? The same narrow minded idiocy that fills the heads of these murderers fills the heads of those who cannot respect all people. Hatred and stupidity have no national or religious bounds. Humankind is still a primitive animal who can kill over ideas that exist only in the mind.

"We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil. War gives us a feeling of moral clarity that we lack at other times." Sam Keen FORA.tv - Sam Keen: In The Absence of God

You do not respect all religions. I will keep you in miond in the next bash Christainity thread.

 

[Old Rocks]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.
frontline: target america: terrorist attacks on americans, 1979-1988

Dumb ass. I don't see anyone walking around either issue. Both that Iman, and that preacher have the right in this nation to do what they are proposing to do.

How wise these actions are in this present poisoned atmosphere of hate, both of the Radical Islamists, and the Rightwind Nuts in our nation is a subject of debate. However, under our Constitution, both have the right to do what they are proposing.

 

[Old Rocks]

I might note that what I am seeing here is apparently the right wing thinks that the 1st Amendment can be suspended any time that it offends their prissy little sensibilities.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I might note that what I am seeing here is apparently the right wing thinks that the 1st Amendment can be suspended any time that it offends their prissy little sensibilities.

Just because obama does it do not think that of most Americans.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Not sure how we appease Islamic countries.

No one is walking around the mosque issue. Hell, its been a huge discussion for both sides of the issue. Theres nothing wrong with that. Thats the American way.

The Florida Quran burning has been the hot button issue of the last two weeks. Not walking around that.

To say people fear something because they discuss events is just not correct. To hate another people because of their religious beliefs is fear.

Im not afraid of anothers religious belief or color or creed or sexual preference. I love America and fear nothing.

Glad to hear that you do not fall into the media and obama hype of fear. If the crazy preac hers burns a few Muslim books so what If they get piss so what? If they kill so what? That was their plan all along. They do not need a reason to kill.

So, what youre saying is that its no big deal if the preacher burns the books even if they get pissed, right?

What part of " a protected 1st Amendment right" don't you understand?

 

[Modbert]

Another anti-Muslim thread from the hate monger who wishes to see them all dead, whether they be man, woman, or child. Whether they be innocent or guilty of any sort of crime.

 

[Tag]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.

In your first question, I'm not sure whether you're referring to US Foreign Policy with respect to Islamic nations or sentiments of the American citizenry towards Muslims here and abroad, although I suspect you're focus is on the latter.

I don't see how anyone is "bending over backwards" to appease Muslims in this country. 'Appeasment' carrys the conotation of yielding to maintain peace at the expense of principles or justice. What American principles are being sacrficed by opposing a book burning event that is offensive and inflammatory by design, or by not opposing the building of a religious facility in Lower Manhattan? From a political perspective, neither can be legitimately rejected, since both actions are constitutionally protected by the 1st Amendment (albeit an argument COULD be made that the Qur'an burning is a form of hate speech, although I doubt it would hold much water legally, but I digress...).

However, from a social, religious, or ideological perspective, there is a great deal of opposition to and support for the Mosque, resulting in a very heated national discussion, while a rather insignificant, yet extremely vocal, support for the Qu'ran burning amidst a sea of opposition. In the former instance, most supporters (of which I am one) argue that members of a Muslim congregation have the right to build a Mosque in a place of their choosing, and reject the emotional and irrational protests of those against its construction. First, the whole "hallowed ground" argument is nonsense, aside from the fact that it isn't on "ground zero", would the same line of thinking apply to a Baptists that proposed building a church on the ground? Surely not. Second, the "insensitive to the families of 9/11 victims" is equally nonsensical. Not one of those congregation members were in any way involved with the terrorist attacks on 9/11, nor is there any reason to suspect any one of them praised the attacks or otherwise supported them. Therefore, both arguments are necessarily discriminatory towards Muslims simply for being Muslim, which is a direct violation of one of our sacred American principles: "All men are created equal". It has nothing to do with being afraid of further violence or appeasing anyone; it's about fundamental values.

The book burning was pure demagoguery and had the sole intention of inflamming Muslims, the message being "this is what we think of Muslims". That isn't illegal, and nor should it be - and the church should not be prohibited by government from conducting its ridiculous exercise in religious divisiveness, and exhibiting the true stupidity of its congregation and members. Attitudes of intolerance, whether due to blindness or imagined threat, are nothing new to the US and examples go back to the founding. Nevertheless, such intolerance is NOT an inherent part of who we are as Americans. We have no common ancestry to define us, or universal religion, or language, or culture. We are a nation of many different peoples, all bringing their own religions, speaking their own languages, and creating a myriad dissimilar and even conflicting cultures. Nevertheless, we are one nation, bound together by a shared philosophy:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

It has nothing to do with fear or appeasement. It's about our national identity, the fundamental principles that define us; and defending our American philosophy.
E pluribus unum.

 

[Douger]

Books and flags. Weapons of mass stupidity.

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't see what we are doing as appeasing anyone. It's being civil. See, that's key for civilization.

I know it's a foreign concept for some people. Not much point "Winning" if we end up becoming someone we aren't in the process. America is great for it's goodness. It will never be bad to reach out to others.

 

[bigdog3]

Are you stupid or what? We over threw their government in 1953 and terror bombed mosques to blame it on Mohammed Mossadegh's government to cause him and his democratic government to be overthrown. We installed the Shah and he murdered Iranians by the tens of thousands. He was Saddam dressed up like a monarch. And the U.S. gave him advanced weapons and started a nuclear program as he slaughtered his own people.

Mossadegh's entire cabinet was executed because the CIA had the Muslims believe his secular government was blowing up mosques the CIA was bombing.

The CIA even brags about Opewration TP Ajax on their website. Goes to sow you how much trouble the CIA stirs up.

Then we told Saddam to invade Iran gave him WMDs.

Then we attacked Iranian oil platfoms and blew Iranian civilian airliners out of the sky.

I guess they don't like us because of our freedoms.

What I don't understand is how people who call themselves Americans can all Israel to lie this country into war with false computers of forged Iranian document, false yellow cake documents for the Iraq war, and then suppoert Israels after they slaughtered Americans on the U.S.S. Liberty. They machine-gunned people in the water and the injured on life rafts. They then lied about it and said it was an accident when the truth is they wanted to slaughter everyone and blame it on Egypt. The attack lasted for three hours of slaughter of Americans.

Google "America's Most Shameful Secret".

You dumbass propagandist for Israel.

You Joooooze need to quit asking America to fight your wars.

 

[Kalam]

Are you stupid or what? We over threw their government in 1953 and terror bombed mosques to blame it on Mohammed Mossadegh's government to cause him to be overthrown and his democratic government overthrown.

Funny. Israel did the same thing in Egypt a year later and tried to blame it on the Muslim Brotherhood. Rather than mosques, however, their targets were American and British holdings. The US did nothing in response -- I wonder why?

 

[JScott]

Glad to hear that you do not fall into the media and obama hype of fear. If the crazy preac hers burns a few Muslim books so what If they get piss so what? If they kill so what? That was their plan all along. They do not need a reason to kill.

So, what youre saying is that its no big deal if the preacher burns the books even if they get pissed, right?

What part of " a protected 1st Amendment right" don't you understand?

Wasnt directing the question to you.

 

[shintao]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.

You are really close. Christians have no balls, they have tolerance because they accept an idol jesus instead of thier god. If they can't defend their religion, they don't deserve one.

 

[editec]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's?

Begs the question.

Do we really bend over backwards to appease Islamic countries?

Hell, lad, we've invaded two Islamic nations recently.

Is that what you call appeasement?

 

[code1211]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's? Why is that we must walk around such issues like the 9/11 Mosque, and the Florida Qur’an bonfire? Is it from fear of an attack from a peaceful religion, It's a known fact they have killed Americans before without any provocation in the past. Like some of these attacks from the following link.
frontline: target america: terrorist attacks on americans, 1979-1988

Not sure how we appease Islamic countries.

No one is walking around the mosque issue. Hell, its been a huge discussion for both sides of the issue. Theres nothing wrong with that. Thats the American way.

The Florida Quran burning has been the hot button issue of the last two weeks. Not walking around that.

To say people fear something because they discuss events is just not correct. To hate another people because of their religious beliefs is fear.

Im not afraid of anothers religious belief or color or creed or sexual preference. I love America and fear nothing.

Glad to hear that you do not fall into the media and obama hype of fear. If the crazy preac hers burns a few Muslim books so what If they get piss so what? If they kill so what? That was their plan all along. They do not need a reason to kill.

To put things into perspective, the Muslims flew some airplanes into a couple buildings and we got angry.

We, on the other hand, in the forms of the British up to 1945 and the US following that have redrawn the map of their region, knocked down and set up govenments, ruled, tried and condemned their citizens, imposed our culture and held up their beliefs as quaint, backward and provincial.

All things considered, if they did to us what we have done to them, there'd be more mushroom clouds than oil derecks in the Middle East.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why is it that Americans will bend over backwards to appease the Islam country's?

Begs the question.

Do we really bend over backwards to appease Islamic countries?

Hell, lad, we've invaded two Islamic nations recently.

Is that what you call appeasement?

I call what we are doing now appeasement. There is no need to do that. But when you elected a muslim as president that what you will get.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not sure how we appease Islamic countries.

No one is walking around the mosque issue. Hell, its been a huge discussion for both sides of the issue. Theres nothing wrong with that. Thats the American way.

The Florida Quran burning has been the hot button issue of the last two weeks. Not walking around that.

To say people fear something because they discuss events is just not correct. To hate another people because of their religious beliefs is fear.

Im not afraid of anothers religious belief or color or creed or sexual preference. I love America and fear nothing.

Glad to hear that you do not fall into the media and obama hype of fear. If the crazy preac hers burns a few Muslim books so what If they get piss so what? If they kill so what? That was their plan all along. They do not need a reason to kill.

To put things into perspective, the Muslims flew some airplanes into a couple buildings and we got angry.

We, on the other hand, in the forms of the British up to 1945 and the US following that have redrawn the map of their region, knocked down and set up govenments, ruled, tried and condemned their citizens, imposed our culture and held up their beliefs as quaint, backward and provincial.

All things considered, if they did to us what we have done to them, there'd be more mushroom clouds than oil derecks in the Middle East.

Isreal is the right homeland of the Jew. The arabs were the killing mechine after hitler was removed. We have done nothing but put things back in its rightful place.