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crazy canadian

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Rtwng, I'm asking this one to you:

Recap:

Problem here is that you are asking for the unrealistic! finding common ground between right and left is just not going to happen, and there is why you have the divide in America today!

1. Individual rights as opposed to theoretical group rights.
2. Free markets as opposed to overregulated or nonexistant markets
3. Self reliance and accepting the consequences of our actions, instead of blaming others, or the world, or whitey
4. Using America's military to protect the expansion of these values around the globe, with the recognition that tyrants will try to get us if they can, and that tyrants cannot be trusted, and that mere "containment" is untenable in the nuclear/biochem era.

Weak people resort to socialism; it's their way of ganging up on the strong, whom they envy.

As for people who are to afraid to be criticized, they need to grow up. We're adults here. We don't support the perpetual adolescence and refusal to develop coherent value systems that the left seems to favor.

Socialism is stealing.

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Some people grow up faster than others. 18 is the age everyone, all those who had protected childhoods, wealthy childhoods, poor childhoods, all those who grew up on the streets, or in third world countries, all those in between, become an adult. Is that right? Or did someone make that up?

What about consequence? What about the fact that individuals can only know what is happening inside their own brain?

You did'nt have the fortune of growing up where you have half a chance and some people think that's ok. They don't care enough about you because they don't know you, and they want you to go away or they just ignore you. Money belongs to those who earned it. We call these people right-winged jerks.

Other people want all the money in the world to be spread evenly so that noone has to suffer and noone is too wealthy and they believe there should be no such thing as an economy at all. They missed the boat. We call these people left-winged freaks.

You can't make either one of these groups of people go away. They share the world we live in. But how do we stop the fighting? How do you soften the hard-asses and strengthen the sensitive among us? You can't. You shouldn't. That's creating a single-minded group of zombies. Plus it's fun to watch them fight. So, really, right-winged jerks and left-winged freaks will just keep pushing for what they believe in, and nothing will ever be solved. I mean world peace is just a failed ideology. Borders make it easier for hard-asses to keep their money, and more difficult for softies to spread it around.


So there's no quick and easy way out. Using computers to help spread donated wealth around is like left-winged communism and it's no good because right-winged jerks will never see to it, and mostly they run the show?

I'm sorry about the stupid simplification, but can you just tell me that this is the case, or I'm way off, and I can just get back to learning biology instead?
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Weak people resort to socialism; it's their way of ganging up on the strong, whom they envy.


Socialism is stealing.

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This is classic. I love how Socialism has suddenly become the 'greatest evil' since communism yet its clear that by doing so, very few people have grown intellectually and spiritually to understand that socialism is the next step in human societal evolution. The desire for everyone to be equal and work for the common cause of mankind will eventually take root. It will suck ass for those that have to 'die with the most toys', but face it, nepotism will be on the downward spiral in the next few generations.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
This is classic. I love how Socialism has suddenly become the 'greatest evil' since communism yet its clear that by doing so, very few people have grown intellectually and spiritually to understand that socialism is the next step in human societal evolution. The desire for everyone to be equal and work for the common cause of mankind will eventually take root. It will suck ass for those that have to 'die with the most toys', but face it, nepotism will be on the downward spiral in the next few generations.

People will always be motivated by self interest. capitalism accepts that. Socialists live in denial. socialism leads to contracting economies. Since's life's tendency is to grow, and since economies are just a complex need satisfaction system, the only moral leadership is one which recognizes the importance of a growing economy, to accomodate the needs of growing humanity. capiche?
 
Crazy c. There are huge differences actually. Liberals refuse to accept reality. Tax cuts grow the economy. Libs can't even accept this, though it has been proven repeatedly throughout history. Larger economy = more tax revenue. What libs hate is that capitalism actually accepts and respects the role of business and entrepeneurs in society. The liberal m.o. is to stir up envy so they, the libs, will be given more power. It's a totalitarian power grab. There's nothing noble or moral about it. Individuals are harmed when they are made too dependant on government. They lose their sense of self and their self respect. Leftist totalitarians love this situation.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
People will always be motivated by self interest. capitalism accepts that. Socialists live in denial. socialism leads to contracting economies. Since's life's tendency is to grow, and since economies are just a complex need satisfaction system, the only moral leadership is one which recognizes the importance of a growing economy, to accomodate the needs of growing humanity. capiche?

opulence, greed, hording, it will all cease to be acceptable behaviors within the next few generations. People will tire of the futility of obtaining wealth with little caution or concern for the ethics and safety of humanity. Once those tendencies are frowned upon and beaten back by the hordes of those who are tired of the economical abuse heaped upon them by the capitalists the economy will no longer be the driving force of a nation. Moral leadership will then be the one that recognizes growth for mankind both spiritually and societally.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
opulence, greed, hording, it will all cease to be acceptable behaviors within the next few generations. People will tire of the futility of obtaining wealth with little caution or concern for the ethics and safety of humanity. Once those tendencies are frowned upon and beaten back by the hordes of those who are tired of the economical abuse heaped upon them by the capitalists the economy will no longer be the driving force of a nation. Moral leadership will then be the one that recognizes growth for mankind both spiritually and societally.

People love money and opulence. They always will. Some will decide it's not for them. I personally don't care if I become super rich. I just want to get by and work less. I accept this will affect my lifestyle. Hey try this, instead of convincing the rich they don't need their money, why don't you just convince the poor they don't need the rich people's money. Aren't they the ones who actually need that advice?

You live in a dream world of glittering generalities.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
People love money and opulence. They always will. Some will decide it's not for them. I personally don't care if I become super rich. I just want to get by and work less. I accept this will affect my lifestyle. Hey try this, instead of convincing the rich they don't need their money, why don't you just convince the poor they don't need the rich people's money. Aren't they the ones who actually need that advice?

You live in a dream world of glittering generalities.

prepare for the future of socialism. It will happen. It's inevitable. The sooner you accept this, the better off you will be.
 
You guys should stop fighting for what you already believe and work this out for the rest of us.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
prepare for the future of socialism. It will happen. It's inevitable. The sooner you accept this, the better off you will be.

I will not prepare. It will not happen. It is not inevitable. We brought down the Soviets union and we will bring down the libs internally. Dk, everything they say is a lie. They will never come to power that way.

The economy is doing great-- libs lie about it.
Iraq has been more succesful than not-- libs lie about it.
 
Do you have ANY respect for SOME liberals? Like how they want to take care of the less fortunate?
 
I think you've switched from generalizing liberals to talking about outliars.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Do you have ANY respect for SOME liberals? Like how they want to take care of the less fortunate?

Conservatives give more to charity than most people I know. Income redistribution is not charity. It's theft. It has as much to do with compassion as a jackboot in the face.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Do you have ANY respect for SOME liberals? Like how they want to take care of the less fortunate?

You've fallen for the lib line-----they would, however, love to use someone elses money to take care of themselves.
 
I imagine if there was a decent computer program set up for both hard-asses and softies to donate money for the good of the people, while not changing capitalism, we would see an uprise in both the economy and the spirit of the liberals.
 
How much money should 1 person own? To live better than happily, to live with toys and vacations and security?
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
I imagine if there was a decent computer program set up for both hard-asses and softies to donate money for the good of the people, while not changing capitalism, we would see an uprise in both the economy and the spirit of the liberals.

Hows the socialized health care coming along up there?
 

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