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Immie, no is pissed at you. Just startled at your poor logic.
COBRA isn't a social program. Jesus Fucking Christ!
Please, dig up Ronald Reagan and bitch about it to him, he's the one that signed it into law.
People should have more options. That is what the Democrats, as misguided and wussy as they are, are trying to provide. I have no faith that they will come through.
The only reason it is bad math, is because it is done with the insurance industry and a gift horse of tax dollars to them, and because it is NOT a hostile take over of the industry, a Universal, single payer plan.imho
I don't support the stepping stone to Totalitarian Health Care, where the privileged get favors and we get screwed. It's bad math because there is abuse in the equation, that does remain and will continue to remain embedded. You are not addressing the symptoms, but justifying them through ignorance. Not your fault, they are well fortified and entrenched. Until we address the cost of service from the value perspective and break it down, we will continue to be sheared. It is wrong to think Government has no place with the muggers.
Immie, no is pissed at you. Just startled at your poor logic.
Oh great who is this "no"? Some one else I pissed off I see.
And I don't think my logic is poor. COBRA laws help almost no one and if they do not help many people they suck which is what started this conversation in the first place!
Now, let me ask you, if COBRA laws don't help people except fro maybe the very rich like Care and RAVI, then do they no suck?
Immie
Immie, no is pissed at you. Just startled at your poor logic.
Oh great who is this "no"? Some one else I pissed off I see.
And I don't think my logic is poor. COBRA laws help almost no one and if they do not help many people they suck which is what started this conversation in the first place!
Now, let me ask you, if COBRA laws don't help people except fro maybe the very rich like Care and RAVI, then do they no suck?
Immie
Cobra is going to help those that can afford six months to a year ahead, being unemployed, or having treated what would otherwise be considered preexisting condition, on a new plan. It was not meant for everyone.
True Health Care Reform could address that regardless who the carrier is, just understand that nothing is for nothing. It will cost someone, the question is who?
That's not true, either. I saved up for it because I knew I was going to need it. A rule of thumb is to keep three months set aside in case all goes wrong (maybe six would be better). Has nothing to do with wealth...just common sense and planning ahead.Oh great who is this "no"? Some one else I pissed off I see.
And I don't think my logic is poor. COBRA laws help almost no one and if they do not help many people they suck which is what started this conversation in the first place!
Now, let me ask you, if COBRA laws don't help people except fro maybe the very rich like Care and RAVI, then do they no suck?
Immie
Cobra is going to help those that can afford six months to a year ahead, being unemployed, or having treated what would otherwise be considered preexisting condition, on a new plan. It was not meant for everyone.
True Health Care Reform could address that regardless who the carrier is, just understand that nothing is for nothing. It will cost someone, the question is who?
The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
I think they already did give some money to help the unemployed be able to afford Cobra...COBRA isn't a social program. Jesus Fucking Christ!
Please, dig up Ronald Reagan and bitch about it to him, he's the one that signed it into law.
People should have more options. That is what the Democrats, as misguided and wussy as they are, are trying to provide. I have no faith that they will come through.
More options?
Please explain how the "misguided and wussy" Democrats are giving us more options.
Immie
The public option would be more options.Oh great who is this "no"? Some one else I pissed off I see.
And I don't think my logic is poor. COBRA laws help almost no one and if they do not help many people they suck which is what started this conversation in the first place!
Now, let me ask you, if COBRA laws don't help people except fro maybe the very rich like Care and RAVI, then do they no suck?
Immie
Cobra is going to help those that can afford six months to a year ahead, being unemployed, or having treated what would otherwise be considered preexisting condition, on a new plan. It was not meant for everyone.
True Health Care Reform could address that regardless who the carrier is, just understand that nothing is for nothing. It will cost someone, the question is who?
The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
Yep...and that is why we need a public option.if you think cobra is high try pricing an individual insurance plan without a group rate...$25k here for 2 healthy people.
The only reason it is bad math, is because it is done with the insurance industry and a gift horse of tax dollars to them, and because it is NOT a hostile take over of the industry, a Universal, single payer plan.imho
I don't support the stepping stone to Totalitarian Health Care, where the privileged get favors and we get screwed. It's bad math because there is abuse in the equation, that does remain and will continue to remain embedded. You are not addressing the symptoms, but justifying them through ignorance. Not your fault, they are well fortified and entrenched. Until we address the cost of service from the value perspective and break it down, we will continue to be sheared. It is wrong to think Government has no place with the muggers.
intense, are you saying the problem lies in the cost of health care and not necessarily the cost of insurance because it is just a byproduct of hospital, medical tests, doctor, etc costs?
And are you saying that congress should be involved in regulating such....somehow to prevent the mugging??? or is congress the muggers???
care
That's not true, either. I saved up for it because I knew I was going to need it. A rule of thumb is to keep three months set aside in case all goes wrong (maybe six would be better). Has nothing to do with wealth...just common sense and planning ahead.Cobra is going to help those that can afford six months to a year ahead, being unemployed, or having treated what would otherwise be considered preexisting condition, on a new plan. It was not meant for everyone.
True Health Care Reform could address that regardless who the carrier is, just understand that nothing is for nothing. It will cost someone, the question is who?
The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
I think they already did give some money to help the unemployed be able to afford Cobra...COBRA isn't a social program. Jesus Fucking Christ!
Please, dig up Ronald Reagan and bitch about it to him, he's the one that signed it into law.
People should have more options. That is what the Democrats, as misguided and wussy as they are, are trying to provide. I have no faith that they will come through.
More options?
Please explain how the "misguided and wussy" Democrats are giving us more options.
Immie
Cobra is going to help those that can afford six months to a year ahead, being unemployed, or having treated what would otherwise be considered preexisting condition, on a new plan. It was not meant for everyone.
True Health Care Reform could address that regardless who the carrier is, just understand that nothing is for nothing. It will cost someone, the question is who?
The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
the rich don't need cobra, they can buy their own individual policy at any price...so to continue insurance.
the poor don't need cobra to continue being insured, they never were insured by their employers, they have medicaid.
Cobra is for the middle to upper middle, who can not afford the price of an individual plan, as the wealthy can...
the middle and the lower middle won't be able to afford it, but in many states, they help fund your cobra via means testing while collecting UE that does help the middle, lower middle....
That's not true, either. I saved up for it because I knew I was going to need it. A rule of thumb is to keep three months set aside in case all goes wrong (maybe six would be better). Has nothing to do with wealth...just common sense and planning ahead.The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
Six months is the minimum recommended by Financial Planners. Unfortunately, when you are raising a family that is not so easy to do. In fact, it is about as possible as affording COBRA.
So, you think taking the availability of plans (coverages/deductibles/costs/prescription plans etc.) and dropping it down to one is more options?
The thing is that only the Very Rich CAN afford it. I thought those liberals that wanted to skin me alive for sticking up for the poor, hated the Very Rich.
Seems to me that is a misconception.
Immie
the rich don't need cobra, they can buy their own individual policy at any price...so to continue insurance.
the poor don't need cobra to continue being insured, they never were insured by their employers, they have medicaid.
Cobra is for the middle to upper middle, who can not afford the price of an individual plan, as the wealthy can...
the middle and the lower middle won't be able to afford it, but in many states, they help fund your cobra via means testing while collecting UE that does help the middle, lower middle....
Guess, what the lower middle to middle class already cannot afford it. That has been the entire discussion. The only people that can afford it are the super rich... that is why it sucks.
Immie
yes, they can NOT afford it Immie..COBRA was never meant to be affordable for the masses....it was meant to keep ones coverage going, if they were sick or a family member was sick....the $700-1000 a month is outrageous, but it is still BETTER than the $2500 a month that it would cost you for your family if you had to buy insurance as an individual without the group rate and....
thus the need for health care insurance reform...the reform that you are fighting against....
I personally have no problems if we ever went to a single payer plan, with doctors and hospitals still in the private sector.... My personal experience with the insurance companies HAS NOT BEEN GOOD and if i never have to deal with them again, I would be a happy person....maybe other people have had better experiences, but I haven't....and I can only go on my own experience.
Care
Care, single payer doesn't mean doctors and hospitals aren't in the private sector. It only means that insurance would be structured like Medicare...Medicare is an insurance plan, not an employer of doctors.That's not true, either. I saved up for it because I knew I was going to need it. A rule of thumb is to keep three months set aside in case all goes wrong (maybe six would be better). Has nothing to do with wealth...just common sense and planning ahead.
Six months is the minimum recommended by Financial Planners. Unfortunately, when you are raising a family that is not so easy to do. In fact, it is about as possible as affording COBRA.
So, you think taking the availability of plans (coverages/deductibles/costs/prescription plans etc.) and dropping it down to one is more options?
the rich don't need cobra, they can buy their own individual policy at any price...so to continue insurance.
the poor don't need cobra to continue being insured, they never were insured by their employers, they have medicaid.
Cobra is for the middle to upper middle, who can not afford the price of an individual plan, as the wealthy can...
the middle and the lower middle won't be able to afford it, but in many states, they help fund your cobra via means testing while collecting UE that does help the middle, lower middle....
Guess, what the lower middle to middle class already cannot afford it. That has been the entire discussion. The only people that can afford it are the super rich... that is why it sucks.
Immie
yes, they can NOT afford it Immie..COBRA was never meant to be affordable for the masses....it was meant to keep ones coverage going, if they were sick or a family member was sick....the $700-1000 a month is outrageous, but it is still BETTER than the $2500 a month that it would cost you for your family if you had to buy insurance as an individual without the group rate and....
thus the need for health care insurance reform...the reform that you are fighting against....
I personally have no problems if we ever went to a single payer plan, with doctors and hospitals still in the private sector.... My personal experience with the insurance companies HAS NOT BEEN GOOD and if i never have to deal with them again, I would be a happy person....maybe other people have had better experiences, but I haven't....and I can only go on my own experience.
Care
