Quest for the Holy Grail

[Stryder50]

A concept that has captivated many through the centuries.
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The Holy Grail (French: Saint Graal, Breton: Graal Santel, Welsh: Greal Sanctaidd, Cornish: Gral) is a treasure that serves as an important motif in Arthurian literature. Different traditions describe it as a cup, dish or stone with miraculous powers that provide happiness, eternal youth or sustenance in infinite abundance, often in the custody of the Fisher King. The term "holy grail" is often used to denote an elusive object or goal that is sought after for its great significance.[1]

A "grail", wondrous but not explicitly holy, first appears in Perceval, le Conte du Graal, an unfinished romance written by Chrétien de Troyes around 1190. Chrétien's story attracted many continuators, translators and interpreters in the later 12th and early 13th centuries, including Wolfram von Eschenbach, who perceived the Grail as a stone. In the late 12th century, Robert de Boron wrote in Joseph d'Arimathie that the Grail was Jesus's vessel from the Last Supper, which Joseph of Arimathea used to catch Christ's blood at the crucifixion. Thereafter, the Holy Grail became interwoven with the legend of the Holy Chalice, the Last Supper cup, a theme continued in works such as the Lancelot-Grail cycle and consequently Le Morte d'Arthur.
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Holy Grail - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Canon Shooter]

I liked Dan Brown's take on it...

 

[BlindBoo]

Dinner at the Y?

 

[Unkotare]

Obviously, the quest for the grail is not a quest for anything material.

 

[whitehall]

Jesus did not put on a show of royalty and as such the cup he drank from at the "Last Supper" was most likely a common vessel which would be unrecognizable today if it survived which is doubtful.

 

[Stryder50]

Jesus did not put on a show of royalty and as such the cup he drank from at the "Last Supper" was most likely a common vessel which would be unrecognizable today if it survived which is doubtful.

That may well be, but see again this from the OP and link;
"Different traditions describe it as a cup, dish or stone with miraculous powers ... "

 

[Stryder50]

Back to here after a distraction on another thread ...
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6 Stops on the Hunt for the Holy Grail​

Tracing history’s most elusive holy relic will lead you to these real places.​

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The first of many myths involving a divine grail was written more than eight centuries ago. People have been fascinated with the potential whereabouts of the holy treasure every since, making it one of history’s most enduring legends. As the stories evolved and fractured over time, the lure of the Holy Grail persisted and expanded, muddying historical events with religious beliefs, Arthurian literature, wild conspiracy theories, and pop culture epics.

While the Holy Grail is generally thought of as mythology, some believe the vessel is a real object that still exists today. The question is, where?

There’s no way to know the answer to that age-old curiosity, especially since there’s no consensus on what the Holy Grail even is. The sacred object has variously been described as a vessel, dish, chalice, golden bowl, platter, and silver basin, imbued in Celtic myths with miraculous powers. Some camps define it as the cup that was used to collect the blood and sweat of Christ during the Crucifixion. More often it’s conflated with the Holy Chalice used to serve the wine at the Last Supper.
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6 Stops on the Hunt for the Holy Grail

Tracing history’s most elusive holy relic will lead you to these real places.

www.atlasobscura.com

 

[Canon Shooter]

Jesus did not put on a show of royalty and as such the cup he drank from at the "Last Supper" was most likely a common vessel which would be unrecognizable today if it survived which is doubtful.

Interestingly, though, there's not a single cup shown on the table...

 

[Stryder50]

I liked Dan Brown's take on it...

And Dan Brown likely got his "take on it" from this now departed investigator;
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Laurence Gardner (17 May 1943 – 12 August 2010) was a British author and lecturer. He wrote on religious conspiracy theory subjects such as the Jesus bloodline.
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Gardner's first book Bloodline of the Holy Grail was published during 1996.[2] The book was serialized in The Daily Mail and was a best seller.[1] He used his books to propose several theories, including a belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had married and had children, whose descendants included King Arthur and the House of Stuart.[1] In Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark he claimed that the Ark of the Covenant was a machine for manufacturing "monatomic gold" – a supposed elixir which could be used to extend life.[3] His books also included theories about Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, the Holy Grail, and proposed connections between Atenism and Judaism.

Gardner referred to himself as "Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain", and "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes" (the existence of which cannot be verified[4]) also "Prior of the Celtic Churches Sacred Kindred of Saint Columbia".[5] He also claimed to be Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. He was an endorser of Michel Roger Lafosse, in particular his claims to be descended from the House of Stuart, which Gardner claimed was descended from Jesus Christ.[6][7] Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist,[8] and treat his work as pseudohistory.[6] Lafosse's claims have been dismissed.
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Laurence Gardner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Gardner's many books refer to this, taken from the Wiki link in the OP;
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In the 15th century, English writer John Hardyng invented a fanciful new etymology for Old French san-graal (or san-gréal), meaning "Holy Grail", by parsing it as sang réal, meaning "royal blood".[10][11] This etymology was used by some later medieval British writers such as Thomas Malory, and became prominent in the conspiracy theory developed in the book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, in which sang real refers to the Jesus bloodline.
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Challenge for many is if we are going down this bloodline=genetics version, we might be bumping up against the Nefilim, or some other such, whom may have started that "Royal Blood Line".

 

[Stryder50]

Interestingly, though, there's not a single cup shown on the table...

Interesting how those Polaroids back then didn't take clear photo shots.
BTW, do see a few glasses and cruets ...

 

[Natural Citizen]

And Dan Brown likely got his "take on it" from this now departed investigator;
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Laurence Gardner (17 May 1943 – 12 August 2010) was a British author and lecturer. He wrote on religious conspiracy theory subjects such as the Jesus bloodline.
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Gardner's first book Bloodline of the Holy Grail was published during 1996.[2] The book was serialized in The Daily Mail and was a best seller.[1] He used his books to propose several theories, including a belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had married and had children, whose descendants included King Arthur and the House of Stuart.[1] In Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark he claimed that the Ark of the Covenant was a machine for manufacturing "monatomic gold" – a supposed elixir which could be used to extend life.[3] His books also included theories about Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, the Holy Grail, and proposed connections between Atenism and Judaism.

Gardner referred to himself as "Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain", and "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes" (the existence of which cannot be verified[4]) also "Prior of the Celtic Churches Sacred Kindred of Saint Columbia".[5] He also claimed to be Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. He was an endorser of Michel Roger Lafosse, in particular his claims to be descended from the House of Stuart, which Gardner claimed was descended from Jesus Christ.[6][7] Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist,[8] and treat his work as pseudohistory.[6] Lafosse's claims have been dismissed.
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Laurence Gardner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Gardner's many books refer to this, taken from the Wiki link in the OP;
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In the 15th century, English writer John Hardyng invented a fanciful new etymology for Old French san-graal (or san-gréal), meaning "Holy Grail", by parsing it as sang réal, meaning "royal blood".[10][11] This etymology was used by some later medieval British writers such as Thomas Malory, and became prominent in the conspiracy theory developed in the book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, in which sang real refers to the Jesus bloodline.
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Challenge for many is if we are going down this bloodline=genetics version, we might be bumping up against the Nefilim, or some other such, whom may have started that "Royal Blood Line".

I've read all of Gardners books. I still have em on the shelf some place around here.

They're interesting reading, if nothing else.

Of course, I think all sorts of weird stuff is interesting reading. I don't discriminate.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've been to Rosslyn Chapel. Very, very cool place. I've been in the vault, though, and didn't see any old cups...

 

[Unkotare]

I've been to Rosslyn Chapel. Very, very cool place. I've been in the vault, though, and didn't see any old cups...

It's not an actual cup. It's a metaphor.

 

[Stryder50]

It's not an actual cup. It's a metaphor.

It might be, or that could be a "red herring" to deflect from what is actually the case.

As pointed out above, some could depend upon how one spells and applies the term;
San Grail or Sang Real.

A subtext no one has mentioned yet is how this relates to the larger topic~question of the concept of "Royalty" or "Royal Bloodlines (Genetics?)" that dominate European and other cultures around the World for so many centuries, being the concept that certain select lines of inheritance(genetics ~ breeding) were better than the other, lower masses, as being suitable, "natural", to be a ruling elite or super-class. Such that if one was part of such, they should marry/mate within that elite super class of humans, to continue the line of elite rulership.
??? !!!

Sort of reminds one of selective breeding of certain strains of dogs to reinforce certain traits, such as herding the flocks. Was someone, or agency, culling out select genetic strains of humans for "leadership" or control purposes?

 

[Votto]

A concept that has captivated many through the centuries.
EXCERPT:
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The Holy Grail (French: Saint Graal, Breton: Graal Santel, Welsh: Greal Sanctaidd, Cornish: Gral) is a treasure that serves as an important motif in Arthurian literature. Different traditions describe it as a cup, dish or stone with miraculous powers that provide happiness, eternal youth or sustenance in infinite abundance, often in the custody of the Fisher King. The term "holy grail" is often used to denote an elusive object or goal that is sought after for its great significance.[1]

A "grail", wondrous but not explicitly holy, first appears in Perceval, le Conte du Graal, an unfinished romance written by Chrétien de Troyes around 1190. Chrétien's story attracted many continuators, translators and interpreters in the later 12th and early 13th centuries, including Wolfram von Eschenbach, who perceived the Grail as a stone. In the late 12th century, Robert de Boron wrote in Joseph d'Arimathie that the Grail was Jesus's vessel from the Last Supper, which Joseph of Arimathea used to catch Christ's blood at the crucifixion. Thereafter, the Holy Grail became interwoven with the legend of the Holy Chalice, the Last Supper cup, a theme continued in works such as the Lancelot-Grail cycle and consequently Le Morte d'Arthur.
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Holy Grail - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The holy grail fell down in that crack after Indiana Jones dropped it

Or do you not follow the news?

 

[Unkotare]

It might be, or that could be a "red herring" to deflect from what is actually the case.

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No, it could not.

 

[Stryder50]

No, it could not.

Than try to prove your case.

 

[whitehall]

The "Holy Grail" is obviously a creation of Christian fiction writers well after the 1st century A.D. My favorite fiction is the movie "Excalibur" 1981 with Nicol Williamson. the time frame is kind of confusing since King Arthur was alleged to exist before Jesus but the movie is fun and well filmed for it's pre-digital era.

 

[Unkotare]

Than try to prove your case.

It's the whole point of the story, blockhead.

 

[Unkotare]

Who can tell the class what a cup is for?