Putting aside the matter of an extension for the ACA tax credits, here's a question for trump devotees.

[berg80]

The sad things with a government run universal system would be the size of the population
which would lead to waste-fraud-abuse. There would have to be an oversight with the revenue
and dispersement of that revenue. And, as we all know, our government is a total failure of
of oversight.

Nope.

AI Overview

It is factually correct that Social Security has a very low rate of fraud, with
improper payments accounting for less than 1% of total benefits, and even less being due to outright fraud. The SSA has numerous safeguards and is continuously working to prevent fraud, though scams against individuals and specific types of fraud like direct deposit scams, particularly involving telephone changes, remain a focus for improvement.

 

[berg80]

No it’s not. I lost my doctor, my plan, and had MUCH worse coverage: limited network AND I had to cough up $6,000 of my own before coverage even kicked in.

You libs are still denying how much this hurt millions of people.

Anecdotal, made up stories do not reflect the experience of most Americans who saw major improvements in what their health insurance policies covered. Like pre-existing conditions, preventative care, and lower deductibles.

 

[Lesh]

We already have HSAs.

HSAs come up woefully short for anything that isn’t minor

And oh yeah… if you don’t need to use them the money you put on goes poof

 

[LeftofLeft]

What has he done about the medical cost inflation that will, in part, cause premiums to jump so much?

ACA Insurers Are Raising Premiums by an Estimated 26%, but Most Enrollees Could See Sharper Increases in What They Pay​

ACA Insurers Are Raising Premiums by an Estimated 26%, but Most Enrollees Could See Sharper Increases in What They Pay

The amount health insurers charge for coverage on the ACA Marketplaces is rising 26%, on average, in 2026.... Most enrollees would face even sharper increases in what they pay if they ACA’s enhanced premium tax credits expire.

www.kff.org

Not that he hasn't been busy violating the Posse Comitatus Act, the War Powers Act, and having the DoJ refuse to comply with a subpoena for the Epstein files. And then there's golf.

But does he get a pass for doing nothing about something as impactful as the cost of health insurance?

Keeping illegals off ACA is a good cost cutter. The blue run states providing that loophole are not helping.

 

[Lesh]

Keeping illegals off ACA is a good cost cutter. The blue run states providing that loophole are not helping.

Illegals cannot use the ACA.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Illegals cannot use the ACA.

Then you have no objection to measures to ensure that they do not.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Illegals cannot use the ACA.

They also can’t illegally enter the United States. Democrat-run cities and states facilitate that. Democrats have a hard time letting letting immigration law being enforced. What makes you think these states are letting Federal healthcare and welfare laws be enforced?

 

[Meister]

Nope.

AI Overview

It is factually correct that Social Security has a very low rate of fraud, with
improper payments accounting for less than 1% of total benefits, and even less being due to outright fraud. The SSA has numerous safeguards and is continuously working to prevent fraud, though scams against individuals and specific types of fraud like direct deposit scams, particularly involving telephone changes, remain a focus for improvement.

How many times has the SS been raided by the government????
Not too mention fraud, how many illegals have fake SS numbers?
I won't even get into the Medicare/Medicaid waste-fraud-abuse.

Berg, you're not bringing your A game to the board today, are you under the weather?
Hope you get to feeling better.

 

[PeanutGallery]

I find it VERY funny that berg is all hot and bothered that Trump, in less than a year, hasn't solved the ACA issue. Who was talking about a "health care crisis" before the government shutdown? Anyways, berg is wondering about 10 months of Trump, but conveniently ignores the previous President had four years to come up with an alternative or a fix. The first two years he had democrats in control of the House and Senate, but they didn't even bother to try.

 

[Lisa558]

Anecdotal, made up stories do not reflect the experience of most Americans who saw major improvements in what their health insurance policies covered. Like pre-existing conditions, preventative care, and lower deductibles.

Denying what happened to millions of people - and calling them lies - does not change the fact that Obamacare hurt millions of people.

Any scheme that helps SOME people get better health care while making OTHER people suffer with worse health care is NOT a success.

 

[BluesLegend]

What has he done about the medical cost inflation that will

STOP right there. Obama and you stupid shit Dems created the giant Obamacare mess so cram it right up your own asses!

 

[Lisa558]

I find it VERY funny that berg is all hot and bothered that Trump, in less than a year, hasn't solved the ACA issue. Who was talking about a "health care crisis" before the government shutdown? Anyways, berg is wondering about 10 months of Trump, but conveniently ignores the previous President had four years to come up with an alternative or a fix. The first two years he had democrats in control of the House and Senate, but they didn't even bother to try.

It’s also funny (not really…..) is that when Berg can’t deny how much worse Obamacare made things for millions of people by causing them to lose their doctor and their plan, and just get much coverage, he just says “liar.”

 

[berg80]

Then you have no objection to measures to ensure that they do not.

You mean besides the laws already on the books?

 

[Seymour Flops]

You mean besides the laws already on the books?

Yes.

Specifically actually enforcing those laws. Plus revoking bogus "legal status" given to more than a million illegals during Biden while ensuring that they cannot collect Affordable Care Act subsidies in the mean time.

 

[berg80]

It’s also funny (not really…..) is that when Berg can’t deny how much worse Obamacare made things for millions of people by causing them to lose their doctor and their plan, and just get much coverage, he just says “liar.”

Is it true the ACA eliminated plans that didn't cover things like pre-existing conditions or other essential benefits, and plans that did not have an out of pocket maximum but had high deductibles? Yes. Those plans were otherwise known as useless for anyone with a serious health issue. If you see having better coverage as "making things worse" for millions of people you are welcome to hold that fatuous opinion.

 

[Lisa558]

Is it true the ACA eliminated plans that didn't cover things like pre-existing conditions or other essential benefits, and plans that did not have an out of pocket maximum but had high deductibles? Yes. Those plans were otherwise known as useless for anyone with a serious health issue. If you see having better coverage as "making things worse" for millions of people you are welcome to hold that fatuous opinion.

No, I see plans that don’t allow people to keep their doctor, leave them with a limited network, and requires them to pay $6000 out of pocket before insurance kicks - and has their premiums go way up - to be much worse.

 

[berg80]

No, I see plans that don’t allow people to keep their doctor, leave them with a limited network, and requires them to pay $6000 out of pocket before insurance kicks - and has their premiums go way up - to be much worse.

I would too, but that's a mischaracterization of the ACA's impact. The trade off for a more limited network of available doctors was controlling costs. 5% of the people who had to change doctors because those doctors were affiliated with shitty insurance plans regarded it as a "problem."

 

[berg80]

and requires them to pay $6000 out of pocket before insurance kicks

Please provide proof of that assertion.

 

[Lisa558]

Please provide proof of that assertion.

You don’t know that bronze plans - the only one many middle-class people having to pay for their insurance could afford - had a $6000 deductible?! That only lower income people had to pay dirt-cheap premiums and had small deductibles?

If you’re this ignorant of the shortcomings of this horrible scheme, then debating you is a waste of time.

 

[Lisa558]

I would too, but that's a mischaracterization of the ACA's impact. The trade off for a more limited network of available doctors was controlling costs. 5% of the people who had to change doctors because those doctors were affiliated with shitty insurance plans regarded it as a "problem."

That’s not the only problem. We had our premiums jacked up, and deductibles tripled. And THEN, we still had to pay for our own medical expenses.