Putin warns Russia will be at war with NATO if leaders lift Ukraine missile restrictions

[Soupnazi630]

Yes, of course. The direct war between Russia and America with decisive goals will be nuclear anyway. But the difference between Russia and the USA is that Russia has anti-ship cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and the USA haven't.

Yes the US has nuclear anti ship missiles as well. They are called tomohawks you dumbass

Are you sure?



They have ability to a) kill missiles and planes before they are launched; b) intercept at least some of them; c) alleviate consequences of the strike.


No. Even in the worst possible scenario its far from "MAD".

I see (sarcasm).

yes I am sure

They have no such ability

wrong and stupid the only possible outcome is MAD

 

[AlexanderPK]

A gravity bomb as opposed to a glide bomb or missile. Both are designed to keep the launching aircraft out of the AA or SAM acquisition basket.

Don't make excuses. You lost the arms race. Seeing that the Soviet Union disbanded you found nothing better than to rest complacent. Russia kept working in that area and came up with hypersonics and stuff while you took the old rusty dilapidated bombs and added a new adjective to the name hoping it would scare the pants off the Russians. It didn’t, fella. You'll have to do better than that and add a new adjectives to your aircraft carriers, looks like. Say, "Reagan the Terrible" or something. That'll scare us, you bet.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Don't make excuses. You lost the arms race. Seeing that the Soviet Union disbanded you found nothing better than to rest complacent. Russia kept working in that area and came up with hypersonics and stuff while you took the old rusty dilapidated bombs and added a new adjective to the name hoping it would scare the pants off the Russians. It didn’t, fella. You'll have to do better than that and add a new adjectives to your aircraft carriers, looks like. Say, "Reagan the Terrible" or something. That'll scare us, you bet.

So where are these awesome hypersonic weapons which no one has seen?

 

[AlexanderPK]

So where are these awesome hypersonic weapons which no one has seen?

You have to take your head out of your ass first. Didn't you know?

 

[Soupnazi630]

You have to take your head out of your ass first. Didn't you know?

Not an answer

Where are they? why haven't they used them? Why hasn't anyone seen them?

because they are fictional and you are a sap who sucks up propaganda

 

[AlexanderPK]

Why hasn't anyone seen them?

Because those anyones are you and a few of your liberal friends with their heads just there where yours is. Ukies on the other hand see them quite often. Most of the time they don't get to live to tell you about that, that's maybe the second reason.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Because those anyones are you and a few of your liberal friends with their heads just there where yours is. Ukies on the other hand see them quite often. Most of the time they don't get to live to tell you about that, that's maybe the second reason.

Uh first of all YOU are more liberal than I am

Second no they have not been seen or used in the UK. In the modern world no such thing can happen when everyone has a camera

So yes you are full of shit

 

[AlexanderPK]

Uh first of all YOU are more liberal than I am

Second no they have not been seen or used in the UK. In the modern world no such thing can happen when everyone has a camera

So yes you are full of shit

It didn't get to bombing the shit out of UK yet, though sometimes I wish we weren't so forgiving. Ukies are Hohols or what's the other word, Ukrainians, yeah. How come you're not a liberal and a grown-up who's unawares of that?

 

[Soupnazi630]

It didn't get to bombing the shit out of UK yet, though sometimes I wish we weren't so forgiving. Ukies are Hohols or what's the other word, Ukrainians, yeah. How come you're not a liberal and a grown-up who's unawares of that?

How come you cannot show any evidence of this shit you spew?

 

[Zavulon]

Yes the US has nuclear anti ship missiles as well. They are called tomohawks you dumbass

They are not nuclear. Their W80 warheads were dismounted many years ago.
And no, those subsonic, barely maneuvering and with pretty low intellectual capabilities (by the modern standards) missiles hardly can be named really "anti-ship".

yes I am sure

They have no such ability

wrong and stupid the only possible outcome is MAD

No. Even in the worst possible scenario, when the both sides decided to attack other side's cities without even attempting to protect their own population (absolutely theoretical and practically impossible scenario) there will be no "total destruction".
In the more realistic scenarios (like Pearl-Harbor scenario) when the one side attack smart, fast and precise after partial evacuation and partial sheltering, retaliation strike wont kill more than 20 mlns of Russians.

 

[Soupnazi630]

They are not nuclear. Their W80 warheads were dismounted many years ago.
And no, those subsonic, barely maneuvering and with pretty low intellectual capabilities (by the modern standards) missiles hardly can be named really "anti-ship".


No. Even in the worst possible scenario, when the both sides decided to attack other side's cities without even attempting to protect their own population (absolutely theoretical and practically impossible scenario) there will be no "total destruction".
In the more realistic scenarios (like Pearl-Harbor scenario) when the one side attack smart, fast and precise after partial evacuation and partial sheltering, retaliation strike wont kill more than 20 mlns of Russians.

They ARE nuclear when ever we want them to be. The nuclear warheads can be remounted drop of a fime

They are still as effective as ever

Yes there will be total destruction for both sides.

 

[AlexanderPK]

How come you cannot show any evidence of this shit you spew?

It's been "spewed" all over, even in this thread starting from #52. That was the latest of the presentations, the first one was in March 13th of 2022 when Kinzhal missiles, among others, hit the Yavoriv military training center in western Ukraine near Lvov. You don't have to dig deep, there's nothing there worth watching, I'm telling you, just get your head out for a minute and see for yourself.

 

[Zavulon]

They ARE nuclear when ever we want them to be. The nuclear warheads can be remounted drop of a fime

You don't have W80 warheads even in storage.

They are still as effective as ever

No. They are obsolete because counter-measures are evolving.

Yes there will be total destruction for both sides.

No. One side will win and another lose.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You don't have W80 warheads even in storage.

No. They are obsolete because counter-measures are evolving.


No. One side will win and another lose.

yes we do and both sides will be destroyed

That is irrefutable fact

 

[Zavulon]

yes we do and both sides will be destroyed

That is irrefutable fact

It's not a "fact", it's just your wishful thinking.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's not a "fact", it's just your wishful thinking.

It is fact

]Neither side can prevent total retaliation ending in the destruction of both.

The quick pearl harbor style attack you talked about is an impossible fantasy

 

[Zavulon]

It is fact

No, it is not.

]Neither side can prevent total retaliation ending in the destruction of both.

First of all, its quite possible to destroy significant part of other's side nuclear weapons. It was possible back in 1980, it is much more possible, practically inevitable in 2025.

The quick pearl harbor style attack you talked about is an impossible fantasy

In your wishful-thinking mindset "Port-Artur style attack" was impossible back in 1941. But, you know what happened. Reality strikes hard.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, it is not.

First of all, its quite possible to destroy significant part of other's side nuclear weapons. It was possible back in 1980, it is much more possible, practically inevitable in 2025.


In your wishful-thinking mindset "Port-Artur style attack" was impossible back in 1941. But, you know what happened. Reality strikes hard.

It is possible the way colonizing mars is possible.

Aint gonna happen. Even if you get one part such as ground based ICBMS the rest will destroy your country

 

[Zavulon]

It is possible the way colonizing mars is possible.

Aint gonna happen. Even if you get one part such as ground based ICBMS the rest will destroy your country

If we had eliminated all siloed ICBMs, all bombers, all SSBNs in bases, if we can intercept significant part of incoming SLBMs' warheads, if significant part of our population is evacuated and sheltered, and if we can evaluate consequences of the retaliation strike - then we might suffer significant, but definitely acceptable damage (much lesser than during WWII).

 

[Soupnazi630]

If we had eliminated all siloed ICBMs, all bombers, all SSBNs in bases, if we can intercept significant part of incoming SLBMs' warheads, if significant part of our population is evacuated and sheltered, and if we can evaluate consequences of the retaliation strike - then we might suffer significant, but definitely acceptable damage (much lesser than during WWII).

Any one of those ifs ios a pipe dream all three are a drug induced fantasy

Eliminating SSBNs in bases is irrelevant the ones at sea are impossible to find and stop and they alone can totally destroy russia