Putin, unfazed by Trump, will fight on and could take more of Ukraine
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schmidlap
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Why did the US suddenly want negotiations right now?
History teaches us a lot here.
Minsk-1 was signed at about the same time that the remnants of the Ukrainian army were burning out in the Ilovaisk cauldron. Minsk-2 was also signed amid the roar of the cauldron, but this time in Debaltseve.
In both cases, the West rushed to save Kiev, promising Moscow anything it wanted, just to stop the militia (at that time) and prevent the complete defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Then and now, there were fears that after the advanced units of the Ukrainian army were crushed, the militia's offensive would continue.
The very fact that Minsk II came into being stems from the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces violated Minsk I and decided to roll into Donbass again to take it by force. In other words, Minsk I was signed knowing in advance that the document was worthless.
The sudden desire of the US to “reach an agreement” with Russia right now and “resolve” all vital issues (for which, for some reason, there was no time before, even during Trump's first term) looks like an attempt to slow down the offensive, knock the operational initiative out from under Russia's feet, and freeze everything on terms favorable to Washington. This is happening in large part because the US is monitoring the situation on the battlefield, particularly near Pokrovsk, and sees where things are headed.
There is a feeling that for this reason, on August 15 Trump will offer all kinds of “carrots” in the most tempting forms, but his only goal is to prevent the russian army from pressing the front where it is already cracking. And the real price of all these promises has long been clear.
History teaches us a lot here.
Minsk-1 was signed at about the same time that the remnants of the Ukrainian army were burning out in the Ilovaisk cauldron. Minsk-2 was also signed amid the roar of the cauldron, but this time in Debaltseve.
In both cases, the West rushed to save Kiev, promising Moscow anything it wanted, just to stop the militia (at that time) and prevent the complete defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Then and now, there were fears that after the advanced units of the Ukrainian army were crushed, the militia's offensive would continue.
The very fact that Minsk II came into being stems from the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces violated Minsk I and decided to roll into Donbass again to take it by force. In other words, Minsk I was signed knowing in advance that the document was worthless.
The sudden desire of the US to “reach an agreement” with Russia right now and “resolve” all vital issues (for which, for some reason, there was no time before, even during Trump's first term) looks like an attempt to slow down the offensive, knock the operational initiative out from under Russia's feet, and freeze everything on terms favorable to Washington. This is happening in large part because the US is monitoring the situation on the battlefield, particularly near Pokrovsk, and sees where things are headed.
There is a feeling that for this reason, on August 15 Trump will offer all kinds of “carrots” in the most tempting forms, but his only goal is to prevent the russian army from pressing the front where it is already cracking. And the real price of all these promises has long been clear.
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The US should be resolute with its fellow NATO allies in opposing the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign European nation by Russia and its North Korean cronies.
Putin still forcing Trump to squirm after he had repeatedly promised to end the war as soon as he took office is an embarrassment for the United States.
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Every day, Russia bleeds more. Time is not on their side.
Putin is dumb to not be more supportive of Trump's desire for peace.
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Putin expects Trump to reward him for his aggression by giving him Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine and Europe's advanced democracies will not kowtow.
Russia took ukrainian territory with blood.
This talk of "Reward" is dumb.
If I promised you a "reward" and then when it came time to give it to you, let you keep something you already had,
you would be furious with me.
you are a shit talker.
schmidlap
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Trump has a history of being namby pamby with Putin.
The blowhard will bluster, but lack the testicular fortitude to demand that the aggressor withdraw his and Kim Jung Un's invasionary forces from Ukraine.
So, you conceeding your shit talk about "Reward"?
I mean, you claimed that, and I showed you the respect of addressing your point seriously.
And in return, you ignore that, and just reassert your position with slightly different wording.
That's... pathetic of you. YOu just showed that you have no respect FOR YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS.
Being resolute has been tried and the US (the pentagon) has discovered that there's nothing it can do, short of starting a nuclear war.
I think that the pentagon still thinks success over Russia is still possible.
I think you're putting too much emphasis on Trump. The war is a serious matter and he isn't.
whitehall
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"Putin unfazed by Trump"? What does that sound like? To me it seems like the hypocrite left that whined about the fake Russia collusion narrative are now on the side of Russia. Maybe they always were. TDS does strange things to your mind.
Change is in the air!
Putiin has obviously always understood that Trump will never be allowed to dictate US policy.
Ringo
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I remember about 20 years ago listening to Neal Boortz in Atlanta, some redneck called him about something and said that political issues and wars should be solved this way:
the leaders of both sides should go out and fight. Whoever wins, that side wins. That's such a wise solution to the problems of wars. Neal didn't reply anything but a dismissive remark.
When I read the statement about “Russia's unprovoked aggression against Ukraine” I remember that simpleton. The same unvarnished political idiocy. Pompous idiocy.
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BackAgain
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Your thread headline states your preconceived partisan hackery as though it was somehow factual. It isn’t. And you state it prior to even the meeting, itself.
You libtard hacks must constantly be hacking.
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Your friends, (democrats, right), also always say that he only understands force. You are, by the looks of it, a great connoisseur of Putin’s ways and habits and surely know that too. Could you remind me of an example when he did?
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That's not a reasonable expectation for Trump, or any other president for that matter!
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Musk blames Trump for DOGE's failure.
Elon Musk says he’s ‘disappointed’ in Trump’s new spending bill because it ‘undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing’
Trump blowing smoke for the campaign's reasons. Did anybody believe it?
Yes I know that he's different.
Are you interested in the meetup in Alaska? Here's a story that's worth reading.
No Zelensky, no Brussels, no problem: Here’s how Putin and Trump’s Alaska power move will play out
The Russia-US summit could reshape the Ukraine war – and leave Europe watching from the sidelines
I'm only interested in hearing your opinion on some of their talking points.
Especially excluding Zelensky and the EU.
And thanks for making discussion possible!
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