Putin trying to stoke nationalist fires

[Comrade]

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Putin bemoans collapse of Soviet empire

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin told the nation Monday that the collapse of the Soviet empire "was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" and had fostered separatist movements inside Russia.

See this is what worries me about Putin and his supporters.

Forgetting the collectivization and subsequent famines, the mass purges, the millions exiled to Siberia and subsequent short lives, I'd say the formation of the Soviet Empire was the real catastrophe. The collapse of it was a victory to all reasonable people, except for Putin and the hardcore nationalists.

 

[William Joyce]

Well, you raise an intersting issue. The USSR at its height was like what the USA is turning into: a huge, billowing, artificial state creation that tries to pretend that racial and ethnic differences, hostilities and loyalities don't matter. But of course, they DO matter, because blood is thicker than anything any state planner --- Soviet or American --- ever came up with. In the Soviet Union, it collapsed of its own weight. Now, Chechens want their nation, Great Russians want theirs, the Jews are getting noticed for their dirty deeds (how they hate that!), etc. All the natural stuff comes flowing out when the fake operation dies.

What do you think will happen to the U.S.? The very same. Immigration of Hispanics will push it to the brink. Whites, blacks, Hispanics --- all will start to rally for their own kind. Jews will feel some heat, as they always do when nationalism arises. They will try desperate measures to keep things going. They will start putting more "racists" in jail, maybe make "racism" a thought crime. Whites will start to wake up.

It's just a prediction, but nationalism is not to be dismissed because it's a natural force, like the free market, the sex drive and the desire for food. You can only control it, not kill it. The U.S. tries to kill it. Instead, it will kill the U.S.

 

[Comrade]

Well, you raise an intersting issue. The USSR at its height was like what the USA is turning into: a huge, billowing, artificial state creation that tries to pretend that racial and ethnic differences, hostilities and loyalities don't matter. But of course, they DO matter, because blood is thicker than anything any state planner --- Soviet or American --- ever came up with.

While I don't doubt that racial tensions exist in America, there is no precedent for the level of liberty and prosperity that exists in our country despite such issues. America has dealt with racial tensions with far more success than say, any European country, who are in the process of ignoring the problem between cultures.

We are the grand melting pot experiment, not some Aryan state, and most everyone of all races alike appreciate this aspect.

In the Soviet Union, it collapsed of its own weight. Now, Chechens want their nation, Great Russians want theirs, the Jews are getting noticed for their dirty deeds (how they hate that!), etc. All the natural stuff comes flowing out when the fake operation dies.

Well sure, they've had Democracy for how many few years? So now they have to deal with racial and cultural diversity for the first time, w/o the benefit of a mature, racially diverse Democratic history like America began and still maintains.

What do you think will happen to the U.S.?

Conditions will continue to improve in the socio-economic condition for all Americans in general.

The very same. Immigration of Hispanics will push it to the brink. Whites, blacks, Hispanics --- all will start to rally for their own kind. Jews will feel some heat, as they always do when nationalism arises. They will try desperate measures to keep things going. They will start putting more "racists" in jail, maybe make "racism" a thought crime. Whites will start to wake up.

See, this is where you and I part ways. TI love America, and accept all it's racial tension and political intrigue for the benefits it yields in the end... a stable, modern, prosperous Democracy.

You love White America, and refuse to accept the idea that racial issues might take a backseat to a common people after the same liberty and opportunities America provides.

It's just a prediction, but nationalism is not to be dismissed because it's a natural force, like the free market, the sex drive and the desire for food. You can only control it, not kill it. The U.S. tries to kill it. Instead, it will kill the U.S.

The U.S. doesn't try to kill it, it shines a light on it, and the cockroaches stirring up racial hatred either shrivel up or scurry away.

 

[NATO AIR]

Russia is in considerable danger of falling apart as non-Russian ethnic groups in border regions react to Putin's Russian-centric Moscow domination by beginning to protest and make basic moves to pull apart. Add in the loss of neighboring proxies like Georgia and Ukraine (especially Ukraine!), and Putin is left spitting rhetoric at a time when his overall position and his nation's position is weaker than ever before. We may very well (unfortunately I must add) be witnessing what is likely to be a bloody and violent disentegration of a considerable portion of Russia's territory and rule.

 

[Comrade]

Russia is in considerable danger of falling apart as non-Russian ethnic groups in border regions react to Putin's Russian-centric Moscow domination by beginning to protest and make basic moves to pull apart. Add in the loss of neighboring proxies like Georgia and Ukraine (especially Ukraine!), and Putin is left spitting rhetoric at a time when his overall position and his nation's position is weaker than ever before. We may very well (unfortunately I must add) be witnessing what is likely to be a bloody and violent disentegration of a considerable portion of Russia's territory and rule.

Agreed. There is no doubt that the chaos among the disintegrated Soviet Republics among with the more contentious portions of Russia proper is parcel to the collapse of communist tyranny.

Thank goodness for success of Ukraine, which should serve as an example to the rest of the former Socialist Republics as well as the Russian state for forming a truly accountable and representative government.

//Disclosure: I lived in the capital of Ukraine during its seperation from the C.I.S. in 1991. I have a selfish interest in seeing this state succeed in the modern world, independent of its former Socialist master.

 

[NATO AIR]

That is most interesting Comrade. How fortunate you were to be there at that place in time.