Putin-Trump Press Conference

[YoursTruly]

It was a binary choice and Trump was viewed significantly a better choice than Harris after her four years as V.P under Biden.

That's how it goes when you have two options every election.

This was a lame excuse then they first used it. The GOP had 4 years to get a better candidate. And they had one with DeSantis. Trumps first 4 years was as much of a disaster as Biden's 4 years. And yet, he still got the nomination.

Trumps tariffs are going to bring in approx $400-$500B a year it seems, more than I expected. This would mean as much as $2T over four years.

Bragging about the government increasing revenue from the American consumers..... That's hardly anything to brag about. Cutting spending the right way. Not increasing taxes.

If he wants to win the midterms, he just offers to give every adult citizen a return based on their income taxes or something. Even make it a Mid-term issue. The only 75% he should apply directly to your debt and try and balance your deficit.

The deportation is also a big winner with voters.

This is light years away from the direction you were going and I'm certain that no voter believed either candidate is going to keep all their promises. Trump is at least trying to make peace. Whether it takes a day or a year, peace means lives saved.

The correct way for Trump to win the midterms is to start demanding a balanced budget from Johnson. And vetoing any bills that spend more than they take in. Force Johnson to be fiscally conservative. But that's not going to happen, because Trump doesn't care how high the debt or deficit gets. And neither does Johnson.
Right now, the only real promise Trump has kept was the border. Something that DeSantis would've done. And even gone a step forwards by taking out cartels with drone strikes.

 

[YoursTruly]

Im not going to go over this yet again.

It is what it is, to simplify it for you, at WORST, it's a consumption tax, but it's far more complicate than that. Regardless, he should give a portion back to citizens.

We're taxed enough. Especially when Trumps spending tons more than Biden did, on many of the same things Biden spent money on. Like Ukraine and Israel. Even USAID got funded. So did the universities. (which is socialism)

 

[YoursTruly]

Trump set the table for additional talks.

No he didn't. Putin is the one that set up this meeting. And told Trump to come to Moscow for the next one.

 

[defcon4]

Putin at the end of the Press Conference suggested the next meeting should be in Russia. Perhaps he wants to try and return the favor of the jets flying over his head when he visited.

Trump is going to have to play hardball and the E.U are going to have to spend more for weapons and perhaps even actively recruit boots on the ground to match N Koreas contribution.

I sense that they are very far apart, perhaps at a point they cannot bridge the gap. As such, America and the West CANNOT keep funding those nations that fund Russias war machine, be it India, China or otherwise.

The pressure unfortunately is going to have to be put on Putin. NATO is going to have to be serious about future involvement if they want to keep Russia from taking all of Ukraine.

That would be NATO what is certainly not good. There are already plenty people fighting and dying for Zelenski.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Thanks President Putin for bringing up the alliance between the Soviets and Americans during World War II. Too many people forget about that. It was literally slavery versus the free world, and if the Nazis prevailed slavery prevailed.

 

[Billiejeens]

Politicians lying is one thing. Their supporters letting them get away with it, time after time, is another. Especially with important lies.

Imagine an honest Trump:

I won't be able to end the wars.
I'll greatly increase spending
I'll increase tariffs so much that it stalls the economy recovery we're in.
Gasoline won't get much below $3 a gallon, in most states.
Grocery prices will increase.

He wouldn't get elected right? So now that all of that is happening. how TF is he still getting the support of those who believed him?

Answer: Because political loyalty allows for lying. It's been normalized like trans people. Like gay & interracial marriage. Lying should be an impeachable offense. And yet the lies are protected by the supporters of those who lie.

Boring

 

[toobfreak]

OK bed-wetters, here's my take on the press conference with Putin. Trump did not go into any details because he wants to maintain the position of a neutral arbiter in this conflict. That is why he is going to call the EU and Ukraine to tell them what was discussed with Putin and let them develop a response. Trump still holds the cards and will make his own judgements about what actions he may or may not take.

But...but...I thought that Trump was a Putin puppet? Why doesn't he just give them all of Ukraine? Are you saying the Left LIED to us?

 

[toobfreak]

The meeting was just an opportunity to get away from Epstein questions.

You guessed it. Trump did all of this just to get away from the media for 24 hours on why, if there was anything incriminating about Epstein towards Trump that some Obama-hired judge would deny the DOJ's request to release the files just a few days ago, the press might ask why then didn't Biden or his administration prosecute over the four years they had those files in their hands? I mean, after trying everything else but the kitchen sink to nail Trump?

If Zelensky isn’t at the table, it’s just a coffee klatch between a dictator and his acolyte.

And why would you want that asshole at a table between two world leaders before those leaders themselves hadn't even hammered out any deal between themselves yet?

Didn't think that through very well, didya, genius?

Trump and Putin are giants and Zelensky is nothing but a snail squishing between their toes. He will accept whatever Putin and Trump and the EU all hammer out together otherwise all his people will be dead and he will lose ALL of Ukraine.

 

[YoursTruly]

Boring

^^^ Trumpbot think lying is boring when Trump does it. But scream bloody murder when the left does it.

Political loyalty is retarded.

 

[BackAgain]

It’s not Trump’s place to take actions. The meeting was just an opportunity to get away from Epstein questions. If Zelensky isn’t at the table, it’s just a coffee klatch between a dictator and his acolyte.

Except there is no serious Epstein question. We all see your red herring crap for what it is.

Now back to the topic of the thread.

I agree that President Trump has wisely chosen the path of a neutral arbitrator for the most part. We aren’t a party to the fighting except for having helped assist Ukraine in having solid weapons supplies.

Was he hoping to be able to at least secure a ceasefire? I see that as obvious.

I still maintain that Putin is a vile murderous scumbag and that he directed an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. His efforts didn’t pan out so well. No three week in and out operation. He got Russia caught up inner another protracted quagmire. Even so, he shouldn’t be permitted any payout now

Zelnskyyyy may not be an angel, either. But it was his nation that got invaded. And the people of Ikraine have suffered mightily because Putin targeted civilians. Putin is the true bad guy here.

Brokering a peace deal here is akin to one of the near impossible tasks assigned to Hercules. But I give credit to President Trump for trying.

 

[toobfreak]

Except there is no serious Epstein question. We all see your red herring crap for what it is.

It sure is funny, BA.

1. Biden sits on those files for 4 years but now the Left are jumping ugly about getting them released.
2. Biden couldn't keep track of what day of the week it was, so now the Left accuse Trump of being senile.
3. Biden was connected to years of massive criminal activity but now the Left call Trump a crook.
4. Biden lied through his teeth about every issue he dealt with from Covid to gas prices, to vaccines, to staying in office to his pardons, but now, Trump is a liar.
5. Biden used the alphabet agencies to spy on people, suppress media, ban folks from questioning his directives to declaring school parents as terrorists because they want good educations for their kids, but now Trump is the fascist.

Was he hoping to be able to at least secure a ceasefire? I see that as obvious.

Why should Putin want a ceasefire? He wants to step up the aggression now that there have been talks to put more weight and urgency on reaching a settlement with him. A ceasefire would give the West what they really want.

I still maintain that Putin is a vile murderous scumbag and that he directed an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

Still, I almost admire him a little at a certain level--- let me explain.

1. The NATO peace treaty Putin signed many years ago vowed no NATO allies against his border, but now, that is exactly what he is fighting to avoid as Zelensky wants nothing more than to join NATO.
2. Before this war started, Putin sat down with Biden face to face for a few hours (I just found this out) and whatever Biden said and did, the war started immediately after that. And now Putin has said that IHO, had Trump been in office in '22 instead of Biden, there would have been no war, so it looks like Bedpan Biden was a major impetus to the war.
3. Putin is fiercely loyal to protecting Russia's integrity and traditions. You don't see all of the faggotry and freaks there you do in the West. While our government wildly zig-zags from administration to administration all over the place from practically communist-socialist, to devoutly nationalistic, year after year, Russia remains true to its values and traditions. They are practically isolationists and xenophobic about not letting people and values into their country which might rock their boat. Russia today has not changed much either in practice nor look from 100 years ago.

Brokering a peace deal here is akin to one of the near impossible tasks assigned to Hercules. But I give credit to President Trump for trying.

That beings us back to my point 3 above. But I think it can be done and if there is any sticking pin that throws a wrench into the settlement, I expect it will be Zelensky himself, which reinforces the idea that this war is not all Putin's doing. If nothing else,. Putin and the Russians are absolutely fanatical about not giving up a single inch of ground when it comes to protecting their homeland.

Unfortunately, Putin (and probably most Russians) are willing to fight to almost any length to preserve their dignity, not lose face, much less give up military or political objectives at almost any cost. But I think something will eventually get worked out, but it may take months if not another year or two.

 

[Stann]

OK bed-wetters, here's my take on the press conference with Putin. Trump did not go into any details because he wants to maintain the position of a neutral arbiter in this conflict. That is why he is going to call the EU and Ukraine to tell them what was discussed with Putin and let them develop a response. Trump still holds the cards and will make his own judgements about what actions he may or may not take.

Unfortunately that asshole ( trump ) is making the situation worse.

 

[konradv]

You guessed it. Trump did all of this just to get away from the media for 24 hours on why, if there was anything incriminating about Epstein towards Trump that some Obama-hired judge would deny the DOJ's request to release the files just a few days ago, the press might ask why then didn't Biden or his administration prosecute over the four years they had those files in their hands? I mean, after trying everything else but the kitchen sink to nail Trump?


And why would you want that asshole at a table between two world leaders before those leaders themselves hadn't even hammered out any deal between themselves yet?

Didn't think that through very well, didya, genius?

Trump and Putin are giants and Zelensky is nothing but a snail squishing between their toes. He will accept whatever Putin and Trump and the EU all hammer out together otherwise all his people will be dead and he will lose ALL of Ukraine.

What sort of deal could Trump and Putin be hammering out? Without Zelensky it would be meaningless.

As for the Epstein evidence, all Trump cares about is himself. He has no regard for the victims or their families. No judge is stopping him from releasing the evidence. That’s a MAGA lie.

 

[Winco]

Brokering a peace deal here is akin to one of the near impossible tasks assigned to Hercules. But I give credit to President Trump for trying.

Lacking Again in any sense of reality.
Problem is, trump campaigned that only he was the savior and he would end the war in 1 day, possibly even before he takes office.

You keep bailing trump out with lame claims like "Near impossible task."
Bullshit, trump made the claim, why didn't you call his claim "Near Impossible" when trump made it.

 

[konradv]

Except there is no serious Epstein question. We all see your red herring crap for what it is.

Now back to the topic of the thread.

I agree that President Trump has wisely chosen the path of a neutral arbitrator for the most part. We aren’t a party to the fighting except for having helped assist Ukraine in having solid weapons supplies.

Was he hoping to be able to at least secure a ceasefire? I see that as obvious.

I still maintain that Putin is a vile murderous scumbag and that he directed an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. His efforts didn’t pan out so well. No three week in and out operation. He got Russia caught up inner another protracted quagmire. Even so, he shouldn’t be permitted any payout now

Zelnskyyyy may not be an angel, either. But it was his nation that got invaded. And the people of Ikraine have suffered mightily because Putin targeted civilians. Putin is the true bad guy here.

Brokering a peace deal here is akin to one of the near impossible tasks assigned to Hercules. But I give credit to President Trump for trying.

No Epstein questions?! Then why are the victims and their families asking for the evidence to be released? The man is dead. Who is Trump protecting? Even if we’re not entitled to the answers, those effected by Epstein’s crimes are.

 

[konradv]

A possible deal might include some recognition of Russia's claims from 2014 and matching DMZs on both sides of the current battle lines, similar to Korea.

There can be no deal without Zelensky and, given the current situation, I don’t see him settling for anything less than a total Russian withdrawal.

 

[YoursTruly]

No Epstein questions?! Then why are the victims and their families asking for the evidence to be released? The man is dead. Who is Trump protecting? Even if we’re not entitled to the answers, those effected by Epstein’s crimes are.

He's protecting democrats and republicans. Also their donors.

 

[konradv]

He's protecting democrats and republicans. Also their donors.

He’s also protecting himself. Don’t forget that. He has no loyalty to anyone else.

 

[BluesLegend]

Putin at the end of the Press Conference suggested the next meeting should be in Russia. Perhaps he wants to try and return the favor of the jets flying over his head when he visited.

No problem, we can fly our stealth bombers over there and put on a show for the Russians. Speaking of which, mouthy Iran has been oddly silent of late.

 

[BluesLegend]

No he didn't. Putin is the one that set up this meeting. And told Trump to come to Moscow for the next one.

Why do you lie? Are you a Dem or anti American POS left winger?