Putin is about to launch the Russian version of Shock & Awe on Ukraine

[Vastator]

So with the Russian army retreating before the Ukrainian army in the eighth month of Putin's three day war, you still have confidence in his judgement?

Good doggie! Good doggie!

Who told you it was going to be a 3 day war?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Who told you it was going to be a 3 day war?

Either Putin was stupid enough to think he was going to achieve a quick victory or he was stupid enough to think that the forces he sent in were adequate to achieve any victory at all. Sending his original forces toward Kyiv without first securing his supply lines was a spectacular display of incompetence.

 

[Vastator]

Either Putin was stupid enough to think he was going to achieve a quick victory or he was stupid enough to think that the forces he sent in were adequate to achieve any victory at all. Sending his original forces toward Kyiv without first securing his supply lines was a spectacular display of incompetence.

Youre dodging the question. Who told you, that Russia thought it was only going to be a 3 day conflict? There are only 2 answers. You heard it from someone. Or that was your personal assumption. Which was it?

 

[georgephillip]

They already did in February and yet Ukraine still has internet access.

When do you expect electricity and potable water to disappear in Kiev?

The Gulf War slaughter

"During the month-and-a-half-long war, the U.S. military dropped 88,500 tons of bombs on Iraq and Kuwait--the most concentrated aerial bombardment in the history of warfare.

"Despite all the hype about 'smart bombs,' 70 percent of all U.S. bombs missed their targets.

"In fact, '[p]recision-guided bombs, the icon of Pentagon briefings and the military's preferred image of the Persian Gulf War, made up barely 7 percent of the U.S. tonnage dropped on Iraqi targets,' the Washington Post later reported.

"Tens of thousands of civilians died in the air war. More than 300 civilians were killed in one attack alone--when two Cruise missiles hit the Amiriya bomb shelter on February 13, 1991.

"Many of the people in the shelter were killed from the direct impact of the missile.

"But others burned to death by a combination of fire and scalding water from burst pipes. To this day, the Pentagon claims that the shelter was a 'legitimate military target.'"

 

[georgephillip]

So Russia is fighting a war against terrorism by bombing civilian targets in Ukraine?

Russia's fighting terrorists responsible for the murder of thousands of ethnic-speaking Russians in the Donbass AFTER the US instigated and supported an illegal coup in 2014; when are you expecting the Nazis to liberate Crimea?

 

[Sunni Man]

His tanks shouldn't be traversing cross country anyway. So the roads are not a problem... Maybe his strategy just sucks???

I was in the 2nd Armored Division.
Ya know tanks and other tracked vehicles.
Spent 99.9% of our time off road in the boonies.
But what do I know? ...
Cause you're the expert in all things military. ..

 

[toomuchtime_]

Youre dodging the question. Who told you, that Russia thought it was only going to be a 3 day conflict? There are only 2 answers. You heard it from someone. Or that was your personal assumption. Which was it?

I don't recall where I first saw it, but the fact is that making a dash toward Kyiv without first securing his supply lines indicated that Putin expected a quick victory and a spectacular demonstration of incompetence.

 

[toomuchtime_]

When do you expect electricity and potable water to disappear in Kiev?

The Gulf War slaughter

"During the month-and-a-half-long war, the U.S. military dropped 88,500 tons of bombs on Iraq and Kuwait--the most concentrated aerial bombardment in the history of warfare.

"Despite all the hype about 'smart bombs,' 70 percent of all U.S. bombs missed their targets.

"In fact, '[p]recision-guided bombs, the icon of Pentagon briefings and the military's preferred image of the Persian Gulf War, made up barely 7 percent of the U.S. tonnage dropped on Iraqi targets,' the Washington Post later reported.

"Tens of thousands of civilians died in the air war. More than 300 civilians were killed in one attack alone--when two Cruise missiles hit the Amiriya bomb shelter on February 13, 1991.

"Many of the people in the shelter were killed from the direct impact of the missile.

"But others burned to death by a combination of fire and scalding water from burst pipes. To this day, the Pentagon claims that the shelter was a 'legitimate military target.'"

So far the Ukrainians have out fought and out thought the Russian invaders so there is no reason to think that this retreating Russian army will be able to save itself by bombing civilian targets.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Russia's fighting terrorists responsible for the murder of thousands of ethnic-speaking Russians in the Donbass AFTER the US instigated and supported an illegal coup in 2014; when are you expecting the Nazis to liberate Crimea?

Blah, blah, blah

 

[Sunni Man]

I don't recall where I first saw it, but the fact is that making a dash toward Kyiv without first securing his supply lines indicated that Putin expected a quick victory and a spectacular demonstration of incompetence.

Once again, there was never any real intention to take Kyiv.
Only a small token force of Russian soldiers were fighting in the outskirts of the city as a feign to draw a large number of Ukrainian soldiers from the Donbas to defend Kyiv.
The tactic worked like a charm and help the Russian army invade and occupy the Donbas region with a minimal number of casualties. ...

 

[konradv]

Putin's been preparing for this conflict since 2014, so it seems more likely Ukraine will run out of cannon fodder before Russia runs out of cannons.

Ukraine is getting modern weapons.
Russia is relying on a lot of Soviet-era equipment.
Ukrainians are fighting for their homes.
Most Russian soldiers don’t want to be there and aren’t sticking their necks out.
There are millions leaving Russia because they don’t want to be part of the conscription.
Replacement troops often desert.
Soldiers surrender, taking equipment with them to collect Ukrainian rewards.

 

[AZrailwhale]

With all due respect? You're an idiot!

Exactly what respect is he due? I don’t see him deserving any at all.

 

[konradv]

Exactly what respect is he due? I don’t see him deserving any at all.

Yeah, those MAGAheads really have a screw loose.

 

[Sunni Man]

Exactly what respect is he due? I don’t see him deserving any at all.

Comrade, why do you say that? ...

 

[toobfreak]

Says the Russian troll.

Stop the thread trolling, Konrad Ruskie.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Comrade, why do you say that? ...

Because at your best you are an ass, the rest of the time you are an idiot.

 

[Sunni Man]

Because at your best you are an ass, the rest of the time you are an idiot.

Comrade, that is soo rude. ...

 

[Confederate Soldier]

I was in the 2nd Armored Division.
Ya know tanks and other tracked vehicles.
Spent 99.9% of our time off road in the boonies.
But what do I know? ...
Cause you're the expert in all things military. ..

The closest you've ever been to a tank, was when your suicide vest failed to go off, in 2003.

 

[José]

Let's separate the fact from the interpretations.

This is the fact:

Everybody in Kiev, politicians, Ukrainian generals, the international press spent the month of March wondering why the russians simply didn't start the bombing of the city.

Dozens of Buratinos were already positioned on the outskirts of Kiev, but day after day, week after week, the rain of bombs refused to start.

I heard all this from an argentinian reporter who was in Kiev in March and said everybody was struck by the fact that the artillery fire practically didn't destroy anything in the capital proper.

If the ukrainian politicians and generals knew the real motive they kept it to themselves.

This is the historical fact. Now you have the different interpretations of this fact:

Some say the limits of the special operation didn't allow a barage of rockets or the fact that it was a diversionary tactic or both.

Others say it was the result of the ukrainian resistance.

Now you have the fact and the interpretations. Maybe historians will still be debating this issue long after we're all gone.

 

[Litwin]

another day