Protests: Fifty Shades as Glamorizing Domestic Violence

[ChrisL]

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

Yes Emily. These are adults we are referring to. I can't stop them from doing what they want to do. Nor do I want to. I just find the psyche behind a person who derives pleasure from giving another person pain to be interesting.

Child abuse? I would call the police in that instance. Completely different situation. Apples and oranges.

So if there WAS a place you could call to report Potential threats or abuses, including "sick people who need therapy" would you call in cases that meet that criteria? And the problem is there isn't such a system set up to handle
suspicious cases where there isn't proof of abuse or crime yet?

Since you already believe certain people are sick,
what is the criteria or system that would need to be in place
for you to report cases of the level you state above (as such people are sick if they
derive pleasure from causing pain to others)

Look Emily . . . I am not on a mission here. I am just giving my opinion. If that bothers some people, that is just too bad. I am a free person who is free to express my opinions of things, just like anyone else.

I'm saying you would be more effective in making your point and preventing the backlash
if it were made more consistently.

You can keep doing it this way
but it doesn't make much sense to most people
to keep stating over and over you think it is sick and abusive
if (1) you don't intend to change anyone's minds about it
(2) you don't intend to take any real action to prevent such abuses or address
such sickness "you claim to be against"

Why would I keep repeating "well I think that pollution is bad"
if it serves no purpose in addressing or correction the problem of pollution?

That's fine if your only point is to enforce your opinion.
But I think taking action to do something about the problem
is MUCH MORE INFLUENTIAL and has more impact toward getting rid of that which is sick and abusive.

Sure I can, Emily. I can do whatever I want.

Let's remember, this is just an online forum. I don't know any of these people. They could be telling the truth, or they could be embellishing the truth, or they could be lying for all I know. I don't know anything about any of these people posting on the thread.

Now, if it was a friend or family member, then I might do something about it.

 

[emilynghiem]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just reiterating my position on the subject matter. I am entitled to that. It doesn't matter if someone else doesn't like or doesn't agree with it. They are entitled to disagree.

I joined this forum because I like to express my opinions on subjects, just like everyone else here.

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

 

[emilynghiem]

Not once did I say a person cannot do this. I said that, in my opinion, people who participate in this kind of thing are not playing with a full deck and would people I would avoid in real life. Obviously, some people are taking my opinions to heart and getting very angry at me about it. Well, too bad. It is a free country still, right? This board is for expressing our opinions.

So you only care that you are not affected.

And you really do not care if other people get hurt by abuses you think are sick?

That doesn't sound right, most people I know don't want others to get hurt if they can't stand it either.
isn't that indirectly something you want, to enforce a better standard where you can help it,
and hope that helps prevent abuse elsewhere? wouldn't you rather it be consistent even if you can't effect that yourself?

Why are you harassing me about this Emily. It is a free country and if two people want to do this, I can't stop them. They are adults. I can think it is abnormal and sick though.

Sorry ChrisL no I am not trying to harass you,
but understand why you go through the trouble to defend a point
but don't care to fix the problem in society?

Ultimately I find that if I am actively working to fix something
even my intent, much more my actions "speak for themselves"
and I don't have to defend over and over as you do.

if I say that "well, I've been counseling and curing these cases for 20 years
and what I've found is 98% of the cases are sick and only 2% of them are fully normal minded people choosing this freely"

then that would speak for itself and not require me to state over and over,
get accused of things and have to ignore people over it.

my point would speak for itself

i do want to set up such work that speaks for itself Chris

I do think that will prove and promote it to more people,
it will be common knowledge, and you won't be attacked in the future for agreeing with what is already established

that's hypothetical but do you get my point

do you agree that's more effective than just stating without any proof
so it looks judgmental and not fact based?

 

[emilynghiem]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

yes I'm saying you wouldn't be attacked if you did so
more effectively and consistently. I'm trying to figure out why
this is coming across as judgmental where people are missing your point.
I'm trying to help you.

 

[ChrisL]

Not once did I say a person cannot do this. I said that, in my opinion, people who participate in this kind of thing are not playing with a full deck and would people I would avoid in real life. Obviously, some people are taking my opinions to heart and getting very angry at me about it. Well, too bad. It is a free country still, right? This board is for expressing our opinions.

So you only care that you are not affected.

And you really do not care if other people get hurt by abuses you think are sick?

That doesn't sound right, most people I know don't want others to get hurt if they can't stand it either.
isn't that indirectly something you want, to enforce a better standard where you can help it,
and hope that helps prevent abuse elsewhere? wouldn't you rather it be consistent even if you can't effect that yourself?

Why are you harassing me about this Emily. It is a free country and if two people want to do this, I can't stop them. They are adults. I can think it is abnormal and sick though.

Sorry ChrisL no I am not trying to harass you,
but understand why you go through the trouble to defend a point
but don't care to fix the problem in society?

Ultimately I find that if I am actively working to fix something
even my intent, much more my actions "speak for themselves"
and I don't have to defend over and over as you do.

if I say that "well, I've been counseling and curing these cases for 20 years
and what I've found is 98% of the cases are sick and only 2% of them are fully normal minded people choosing this freely"

then that would speak for itself and not require me to state over and over,
get accused of things and have to ignore people over it.

my point would speak for itself

i do want to set up such work that speaks for itself Chris

I do think that will prove and promote it to more people,
it will be common knowledge, and you won't be attacked in the future for agreeing with what is already established

that's hypothetical but do you get my point

do you agree that's more effective than just stating without any proof
so it looks judgmental and not fact based?

Emily, I am just a person on a political forum expressing my opinions. I am not on a mission to cure these people. I don't even know them. I don't care if they "attack" me. I really don't. I will keep expressing my opinions whether other people like it or not. That is one of the benefits of a free country.

I'm not looking to change the world. I have enough on my own plate to deal with. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

yes I'm saying you wouldn't be attacked if you did so
more effectively and consistently. I'm trying to figure out why
this is coming across as judgmental where people are missing your point.
I'm trying to help you.

Okay . . . if a person wants to say I'm judgmental. That is THEIR opinion. You see how that works? They are expressing their opinions. I am expressing mine. Are they trying to "fix" me? No, they are not. Am I trying to "fix" them? No I am not. This is just a board for sharing your opinions on matters.

 

[Cecilie1200]

BDSM is absolutely NOT about domestic abuse. It is not about one person abusing another, unwilling, person. It is about consenting adults acting out their sexual fantasies and fetishes under terms that are agreed upon ahead of time.

Perhaps if people had read something that does not sound like it was written by a 16 year old, or done some research about what actually happens in BDSM, instead of going with a book written by someone clueless about it, we might have a different feeling about it.

True. The actual BDSM community finds this film as cringeworthy as the domestic violence protesters do.

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

yes I'm saying you wouldn't be attacked if you did so
more effectively and consistently. I'm trying to figure out why
this is coming across as judgmental where people are missing your point.
I'm trying to help you.

The reason why I put my opinions out there is because I find the topic interesting. That's all. I'm not a psychiatrist, Emily.

 

[emilynghiem]

ps ChrisL right now this looks like a vicious cycle
people miss your point think you are being unfoundedly judgmental
then when they attack you for it,
you judge them for that when they are trying to express objection to something missing,
and then you do come across as judgmental
back and forth

so your point is being missed by reinforcing this perception which you do not intend

if it is scientifically proven to be sick like cancer
nobody judges anyone for having cancer they didn't choose
so this judgmental perception would stop
and the focus would be on finding and curing cases of sickness without judgment attached.

 

[ChrisL]

ps ChrisL right now this looks like a vicious cycle
people miss your point think you are being unfoundedly judgmental
then when they attack you for it,
you judge them for that when they are trying to express objection to something missing,
and then you do come across as judgmental
back and forth

so your point is being missed by reinforcing this perception which you do not intend

if it is scientifically proven to be sick like cancer
nobody judges anyone for having cancer they didn't choose
so this judgmental perception would stop
and the focus would be on finding and curing cases of sickness without judgment attached.

I'm not judging them at all. I'm telling them that these are my opinions, and if my opinions upset them, so be it. I will not stop giving my opinions on subjects. That is why I joined the board. I'm not out to prove anything. K?

 

[Cecilie1200]

BDSM is absolutely NOT about domestic abuse. It is not about one person abusing another, unwilling, person. It is about consenting adults acting out their sexual fantasies and fetishes under terms that are agreed upon ahead of time.

Perhaps if people had read something that does not sound like it was written by a 16 year old, or done some research about what actually happens in BDSM, instead of going with a book written by someone clueless about it, we might have a different feeling about it.

I understand it was not a mutual relationship.
Therefore it was relationship abuse.

It's supposed to have been "consensual", but frankly, if Christian tried most of that crap the way he does in the book and movie around the real kink community, he'd get himself banned in a hot second.

 

[emilynghiem]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

yes I'm saying you wouldn't be attacked if you did so
more effectively and consistently. I'm trying to figure out why
this is coming across as judgmental where people are missing your point.
I'm trying to help you.

The reason why I put my opinions out there is because I find the topic interesting. That's all. I'm not a psychiatrist, Emily.

So if psychiatry could prove what is sick, then you would have science to back you
up and not be judged and attacked as judgmental.

 

[ChrisL]

ps ChrisL right now this looks like a vicious cycle
people miss your point think you are being unfoundedly judgmental
then when they attack you for it,
you judge them for that when they are trying to express objection to something missing,
and then you do come across as judgmental
back and forth

so your point is being missed by reinforcing this perception which you do not intend

if it is scientifically proven to be sick like cancer
nobody judges anyone for having cancer they didn't choose
so this judgmental perception would stop
and the focus would be on finding and curing cases of sickness without judgment attached.

I think you are taking this board much too seriously.

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

So why are you blaming them for missing your point if
you have not provided proof? Trust is a big issue,
for example if I presented a testimony of healing criminal illness
that wasn't scientifically formal research, but people trusted that is in the works and not finished yet,
they might believe these conditions are sick and proveably cureable. if they trust the sources.

Is that okay? Do I have your permission to express my opinions?

yes I'm saying you wouldn't be attacked if you did so
more effectively and consistently. I'm trying to figure out why
this is coming across as judgmental where people are missing your point.
I'm trying to help you.

The reason why I put my opinions out there is because I find the topic interesting. That's all. I'm not a psychiatrist, Emily.

So if psychiatry could prove what is sick, then you would have science to back you
up and not be judged and attacked as judgmental.

They are entitled to their opinions about me too. I really don't care. They are strangers to me, basically. I don't know anything about them.

 

[emilynghiem]

ps ChrisL right now this looks like a vicious cycle
people miss your point think you are being unfoundedly judgmental
then when they attack you for it,
you judge them for that when they are trying to express objection to something missing,
and then you do come across as judgmental
back and forth

so your point is being missed by reinforcing this perception which you do not intend

if it is scientifically proven to be sick like cancer
nobody judges anyone for having cancer they didn't choose
so this judgmental perception would stop
and the focus would be on finding and curing cases of sickness without judgment attached.

I'm not judging them at all. I'm telling them that these are my opinions, and if my opinions upset them, so be it. I will not stop giving my opinions on subjects. That is why I joined the board. I'm not out to prove anything. K?

If you are saying all such people are sick
then if that includes them, you are saying they are sick.
And that is seen as judgmental if there isn't scientific proof.

 

[koshergrl]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

Lefties are anti-female. They see women as disposable sex machines, with no other value.

 

[emilynghiem]

ps ChrisL right now this looks like a vicious cycle
people miss your point think you are being unfoundedly judgmental
then when they attack you for it,
you judge them for that when they are trying to express objection to something missing,
and then you do come across as judgmental
back and forth

so your point is being missed by reinforcing this perception which you do not intend

if it is scientifically proven to be sick like cancer
nobody judges anyone for having cancer they didn't choose
so this judgmental perception would stop
and the focus would be on finding and curing cases of sickness without judgment attached.

I think you are taking this board much too seriously.

I take all people seriously. Even if they post symbolic or even fabricated
things, as you point out can be from anything and can't be confirmed as true,
I can still work with people and learn from them.

 

[emilynghiem]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

Lefties are anti-female. They see women as disposable sex machines, with no other value.

I'd say both prochoice and prolife, left and right,
are avoiding the issue of holding men accountable for rape and unwanted pregnancy
leading to abortion, and exploiting the focus on women which is lopsided.