Protests: Fifty Shades as Glamorizing Domestic Violence

[September]

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

Wanting to inflict pain and discomfort on another person IS a form of abuse.

In a technical sense you are right, but in a realistic sense what you are saying is myopic.

If a woman consents to the "abuse" then there is no harm done.

I mean if I show up at your house with 10 large pizzas and you choose to eat them, is the physical harm done to your body any different than if I forced you to eat them? No of course not, but would you claim that they are both abuse? Why not?

Eating pizza is not the equivalent of getting joy out of abusing another person. What kind of person would do that? Think about it.

So if I held you down and made you eat 10 large pizzas that wouldnt be abuse?

what kind of person would get joy out of ******* another person in the ass? think about that.

The answer to both questions is IRRELEVANT, IF the activity is consensual.

 

[Disir]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

It's about consent. Simply because you have no knowledge of it, does not make it abuse.

It also requires a level of trust that many vanilla do not encounter once in their life time.


Once you get into the beating, it's about endorphins.

I disagree. It is glorified violence. Like I said, a lot of people who were abused as children confuse violence and abuse with affection and love. They are not healthy functioning people. Abusing them and calling it "sex" is wrong.

You're making the assumption that kinksters were abused as children. You have no data that supports this. None. It's high theater. They are not only healthy and functioning people there is an entire network nationally that supports kinksters, including attorneys. You just don't like it. That's fine.
The Kink Aware Professionals Directory

 

[Dot Com]

Unsanctioned, uninsured fights are illegal. So, I suppose that for the sake of argument I would concede that if a woman were willing to enter int a sanctioned, and insured relationship where she was going to be beaten on I would have to be okay with that.

Right, but just because a person agrees to it and likes it doesn't mean they aren't fucked up on some level. Oh yes, beat me baby! Lol. How silly.

who cares about fucked up? Frankly, I think a guy who likes to suck dick is fucked up on EVERY level, but so what? We have that freedom in this country.

So do I. I'm discussing the topic and expressing my opinion on people who enjoy abuse in one form or another. That is what this forum is for, correct? I never said it should be illegal. I said people who participate in this are fucked up, and it is not sex, nor is it normal to want to be abused or to want to inflict abuse on another human being. That is fucked up, no matter what you say.

I understand that. My point is that you are calling them fucked up, but if you went into a thread about gay marriage and called them fucked up , you would be crucified.

When I said that a person who thinks its okay to walk around naked in front of their children is fucked up , you went nuts

They ARE fucked up. They are. If you GET OFF on hurting other people, you are fucked up. Just to be clear, I use "you" in the general sense, not you personally. I always want to make that clear because some people will think I am referring to their person when I am not.

Have you ever bounced your strong opinions on this matter w/ anyone else. I doubt it because if you did, you might be surprised at the answers you got @ChrisL You are mislabelling certain practices as "abuse" to suit your preconceived agenda. End of story!!!

As I said before:

 

[emilynghiem]

Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

^^^^
This is so true. Many people are at risk because of sheer ignorance or because they maybe want to please their partner, etc. I just don't understand how abuse is classified as sex. It is simply a very strange fetish, which is probably an understatement in some situations. I can't help but think there is something wrong with a person who enjoys inflicting pain, or someone who enjoys receiving it. I see them as having an unhealthy fetish.

As much as I don't believe in pushing faith-based things on people,
I do believe people might need to go through spiritual healing and diagnosis
to get rid of any "unnatural" factors making them seek such imbalanced form of stimulation.

Until they know the difference, who knows if they'd choose the same things and assume that is natural for them.

After they are back to clearly balanced minds, if they still want to play with drugs or sex, fine.
But my experience shows that people who go through full spiritual healing no longer need to
manipulate their minds or "brain chemistry" to get satisfaction and pleasure.

This cannot be forced on people, so it would have to be proven by science over time and "freely chosen." Maybe science could be developed to scan brains and show whether or not it is functioning with balanced chemistry, and/or if any abnormal levels can be enhanced naturally where it doesn't require medications or other outside manipulations.

However, if the Democrats keep pushing for mandates on health care,
what's to stop citizens under these laws to push for mandates on spiritual healing to cure causes of disease and crime that otherwise rack up health care costs? What if the same studies on spiritual healing can be shown to correct and prevent criminal illness and violent patterns?

Also if groups keep lobbying for "millions in research" to go into marijuana as natural medicine,
why not lobby for equal resources and attention to go into researching healing drug and sexual addictions/abuses
through spiritual healing that is even MORE natural and free of side effects and risks.

So there could be a way to push for public awareness of the benefits of spiritual healing to promote it, without forcing it.

But right now, if the push for health care mandates and the push for legalization of drugs is imposing on taxpayers,
it's only fair to push for solutions to reduce that burden being pushed on the public.

If spiritual healing can be shown to restore people to their "right minds" where they make fully informed decisions
and aren't manipulated by unnatural influences, then why not push for that to be included in any study on drugs
BEFORE making laws promoting drugs as a natural free choice.

What if we can prove it is not a natural choice in most cases?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

We've discussed the abusee and how potentially events in said person's life could lead them to be confused about love and affection versus abuse and violence.

Now, how about the abuser? What kind of person enjoys and gets off on abusing a person? Whether or not they are a willing participant is kind of irrelevant. If a person said to me, I like to be stabbed in the hand, would you stab me in the hand? I would say, NO, you are crazy! Lol.

You are missing the point. A person who enjoys being stabbed in the hand (what a weirdo) would have to find a person who enjoyed stabbing people in the hand , otherwise there is no consent.

 

[ChrisL]

Ashtara . . . I am not offended by it. Sex doesn't bother me. I just think it's fucked up.

 

[ChrisL]

We've discussed the abusee and how potentially events in said person's life could lead them to be confused about love and affection versus abuse and violence.

Now, how about the abuser? What kind of person enjoys and gets off on abusing a person? Whether or not they are a willing participant is kind of irrelevant. If a person said to me, I like to be stabbed in the hand, would you stab me in the hand? I would say, NO, you are crazy! Lol.

You are missing the point. A person who enjoys being stabbed in the hand (what a weirdo) would have to find a person who enjoyed stabbing people in the hand , otherwise there is no consent.

Right, but what does that say about the person doing the stabbing?

 

[ChrisL]

Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

^^^^
This is so true. Many people are at risk because of sheer ignorance or because they maybe want to please their partner, etc. I just don't understand how abuse is classified as sex. It is simply a very strange fetish, which is probably an understatement in some situations. I can't help but think there is something wrong with a person who enjoys inflicting pain, or someone who enjoys receiving it. I see them as having an unhealthy fetish.

As much as I don't believe in pushing faith-based things on people,
I do believe people might need to go through spiritual healing and diagnosis
to get rid of any "unnatural" factors making them seek such imbalanced form of stimulation.

After they are back to balanced minds, if they still want to play with drugs or sex, fine.
But my experience shows that people who go through full spiritual healing no longer need to
manipulate their minds or "brain chemistry" to get satisfaction and pleasure.

This cannot be forced on people, so it would have to be proven by science over time and "freely chosen"

However, if the Democrats keep pushing for mandates on health care,
what's to stop citizens under these laws to push for mandates on spiritual healing to cure causes of disease and crime
that otherwise rack up health care costs?

Also if groups keep lobbying for "millions in research" to go into marijuana as natural medicine,
why not lobby for equal resources and attention to go into researching healing drug and sexual addictions/abuses
through spiritual healing that is even MORE natural and free of side effects and risks.

So there could be a way to push for public awareness of the benefits of spiritual healing to promote it, without forcing it.

But right now, if the push for health care mandates and the push for legalization of drugs is imposing on taxpayers,
it's only fair to push for solutions to reduce that burden being pushed on the public.

If spiritual healing can be shown to restore people to their "right minds" where they make fully informed decisions
and aren't manipulated by unnatural influences, then why not push for that to be included in any study on drugs
BEFORE making laws promoting drugs as a natural free choice.

What if we can prove it is not a natural choice in most cases?

I've always thought that therapy was a more important part of healing than the drugs they like to ply people with. It seems that the medical community just wants to take the easy way out. Don't know what ails you, prescribe a drug.

 

[ChrisL]

Right, but just because a person agrees to it and likes it doesn't mean they aren't fucked up on some level. Oh yes, beat me baby! Lol. How silly.

who cares about fucked up? Frankly, I think a guy who likes to suck dick is fucked up on EVERY level, but so what? We have that freedom in this country.

So do I. I'm discussing the topic and expressing my opinion on people who enjoy abuse in one form or another. That is what this forum is for, correct? I never said it should be illegal. I said people who participate in this are fucked up, and it is not sex, nor is it normal to want to be abused or to want to inflict abuse on another human being. That is fucked up, no matter what you say.

I understand that. My point is that you are calling them fucked up, but if you went into a thread about gay marriage and called them fucked up , you would be crucified.

When I said that a person who thinks its okay to walk around naked in front of their children is fucked up , you went nuts

They ARE fucked up. They are. If you GET OFF on hurting other people, you are fucked up. Just to be clear, I use "you" in the general sense, not you personally. I always want to make that clear because some people will think I am referring to their person when I am not.

Have you ever bounced your strong opinions on this matter w/ anyone else. I doubt it because if you did, you might be surprised at the answers you got @ChrisL You are mislabelling certain practices as "abuse" to suit your preconceived agenda. End of story!!!

As I said before:

Not at all. Why don't you take a shot at my stabbing example. IF someone approaches you with a knife and says, I really get off on being stabbed in the hand, would you stab my hand? What kind of a person is going to agree to that? Answer, a messed up person who enjoys hurting others.

 

[ChrisL]

Just to clarify, I don't think it is should be banned or made illegal. I just don't think it should be called "sex." It is not really sex. It is a form of abuse with consent. That still doesn't make it right in my opinion. There could be many, many reasons why a person might think it is okay to accept or tolerate abuse.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

I'm pretty sure that BDSM isn't "domestic abuse."

I mean.... I haven't read the book, obviously. However, I was under the definite impression that everything in it was pretty clearly "consensual."

 

[Disir]

who cares about fucked up? Frankly, I think a guy who likes to suck dick is fucked up on EVERY level, but so what? We have that freedom in this country.

So do I. I'm discussing the topic and expressing my opinion on people who enjoy abuse in one form or another. That is what this forum is for, correct? I never said it should be illegal. I said people who participate in this are fucked up, and it is not sex, nor is it normal to want to be abused or to want to inflict abuse on another human being. That is fucked up, no matter what you say.

I understand that. My point is that you are calling them fucked up, but if you went into a thread about gay marriage and called them fucked up , you would be crucified.

When I said that a person who thinks its okay to walk around naked in front of their children is fucked up , you went nuts

They ARE fucked up. They are. If you GET OFF on hurting other people, you are fucked up. Just to be clear, I use "you" in the general sense, not you personally. I always want to make that clear because some people will think I am referring to their person when I am not.

Have you ever bounced your strong opinions on this matter w/ anyone else. I doubt it because if you did, you might be surprised at the answers you got @ChrisL You are mislabelling certain practices as "abuse" to suit your preconceived agenda. End of story!!!

As I said before:

Not at all. Why don't you take a shot at my stabbing example. IF someone approaches you with a knife and says, I really get off on being stabbed in the hand, would you stab my hand? What kind of a person is going to agree to that? Answer, a messed up person who enjoys hurting others.

Knife play is a kink. It doesn't encompass actual stabbing. It's agreed upon before hand---no pun intended. You aren't going to find too many people, if at all, that would agree to that. You're missing that whole consent thingy. Further, there are those people that consider a crucifixion to be hawt (whatever). They don't actually crucify them---hence, high theater.

The person that would be doing the stabbing would be considered a pretty hard core sadist.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

Just to clarify, I don't think it is should be banned or made illegal. I just don't think it should be called "sex." It is not really sex. It is a form of abuse with consent. That still doesn't make it right in my opinion. There could be many, many reasons why a person might think it is okay to accept or tolerate abuse.

Well, what about spanking? Plenty of people are into that in a sexual context.

It could very easily be construed as being a very mild form of BDSM.

Honestly, the same thing goes for anal. The fact that it kind of hurts and requires one partner be more "dominant" is a large part of the appeal for a lot of couples.

 

[ChrisL]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

I'm pretty sure that BDSM isn't "domestic abuse."

I mean.... I haven't read the book, obviously. However, I was under the definite impression that everything in it was pretty clearly "consensual."

I disagree. I think a person who enjoys inflicting pain on others is an abusive person.

 

[Dot Com]

Just to clarify, I don't think it is should be banned or made illegal. I just don't think it should be called "sex." It is not really sex. It is a form of abuse with consent. That still doesn't make it right in my opinion. There could be many, many reasons why a person might think it is okay to accept or tolerate abuse.

so its a deal breaker for you if you find someone you really sync with & they ask you to do something out of the norm. You say c ya

 

[emilynghiem]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

It's about consent. Simply because you have no knowledge of it, does not make it abuse.

It also requires a level of trust that many vanilla do not encounter once in their life time.


Once you get into the beating, it's about endorphins.

I disagree. It is glorified violence. Like I said, a lot of people who were abused as children confuse violence and abuse with affection and love. They are not healthy functioning people. Abusing them and calling it "sex" is wrong.

You're making the assumption that kinksters were abused as children. You have no data that supports this. None. It's high theater. They are not only healthy and functioning people there is an entire network nationally that supports kinksters, including attorneys. You just don't like it. That's fine.
The Kink Aware Professionals Directory

Ok Disir so similar with homosexuals and transgender who weren't all abused as children.

Why not conduct a study on spiritual healing, with voluntary participation by self-chosen subjects, and see how many of these people change their behavior or not?

Some of the healing goes into "generational" issues before their current family and environment, sort of like inheriting things genetically but this is either psychological or spiritual and not always genetically traceable.

Spiritual healing addresses those levels, too, not just immediate influences and relations
but unconscious patterns people may not know they carry from the past. Buddhists call this karma, Christians call it generational curses or sins, but the healing methods I know that work on recovering addicts and abuse victims go deeper in the spirit. Even the secular methods for healing racism recognize the spiritual wounds carried from previous generations, such as genocide against Native Americans and blacks that manifests as anger and abuse in later generations not directly connected.

Why not study this before assuming that it's natural for people?
What if it is like alcoholic addiction or tendencies that is inherited and part of someone's makeup but it can be healed and not permanent?

You can still "choose" to smoke, drink, or use other drugs.
But I would rather offer people a FULLY informed choice, where it is UNDERSTOOD that people fully healed are able NOT to "have to do these things to get the stimulation or mood they want".

Someone still affected by an addiction is not going to have the same "free choice" whether or not to smoke or drink or do drugs, as someone cured of any such addicting influence.

 

[Disir]

Just to clarify, I don't think it is should be banned or made illegal. I just don't think it should be called "sex." It is not really sex. It is a form of abuse with consent. That still doesn't make it right in my opinion. There could be many, many reasons why a person might think it is okay to accept or tolerate abuse.

The biggest sex organ is the brain. It's sexual. It's called sex. It's really sex.

Don't have it.

 

[ChrisL]

So do I. I'm discussing the topic and expressing my opinion on people who enjoy abuse in one form or another. That is what this forum is for, correct? I never said it should be illegal. I said people who participate in this are fucked up, and it is not sex, nor is it normal to want to be abused or to want to inflict abuse on another human being. That is fucked up, no matter what you say.

I understand that. My point is that you are calling them fucked up, but if you went into a thread about gay marriage and called them fucked up , you would be crucified.

When I said that a person who thinks its okay to walk around naked in front of their children is fucked up , you went nuts

They ARE fucked up. They are. If you GET OFF on hurting other people, you are fucked up. Just to be clear, I use "you" in the general sense, not you personally. I always want to make that clear because some people will think I am referring to their person when I am not.

Have you ever bounced your strong opinions on this matter w/ anyone else. I doubt it because if you did, you might be surprised at the answers you got @ChrisL You are mislabelling certain practices as "abuse" to suit your preconceived agenda. End of story!!!

As I said before:

Not at all. Why don't you take a shot at my stabbing example. IF someone approaches you with a knife and says, I really get off on being stabbed in the hand, would you stab my hand? What kind of a person is going to agree to that? Answer, a messed up person who enjoys hurting others.

Knife play is a kink. It doesn't encompass actual stabbing. It's agreed upon before hand---no pun intended. You aren't going to find too many people, if at all, that would agree to that. You're missing that whole consent thingy. Further, there are those people that consider a crucifixion to be hawt (whatever). They don't actually crucify them---hence, high theater.

The person that would be doing the stabbing would be considered a pretty hard core sadist.

Why a sadist and not abusive? That is just semantics. For some reason, people think it is okay to hurt someone if that person says it is okay. I don't think that is okay. A person who enjoys inflicting pain . . . that's pretty messed up to me.

 

[ChrisL]

Just to clarify, I don't think it is should be banned or made illegal. I just don't think it should be called "sex." It is not really sex. It is a form of abuse with consent. That still doesn't make it right in my opinion. There could be many, many reasons why a person might think it is okay to accept or tolerate abuse.

The biggest sex organ is the brain. It's sexual. It's called sex. It's really sex.

Don't have it.

Abuse is different from sex, sorry. Only messed up people associate sex with abuse. It's pretty sad if you ask me. A willing victim.