Protests: Fifty Shades as Glamorizing Domestic Violence

[ChrisL]

Unsanctioned, uninsured fights are illegal. So, I suppose that for the sake of argument I would concede that if a woman were willing to enter int a sanctioned, and insured relationship where she was going to be beaten on I would have to be okay with that.

Right, but just because a person agrees to it and likes it doesn't mean they aren't fucked up on some level. Oh yes, beat me baby! Lol. How silly.

who cares about fucked up? Frankly, I think a guy who likes to suck dick is fucked up on EVERY level, but so what? We have that freedom in this country.

So do I. I'm discussing the topic and expressing my opinion on people who enjoy abuse in one form or another. That is what this forum is for, correct? I never said it should be illegal. I said people who participate in this are fucked up, and it is not sex, nor is it normal to want to be abused or to want to inflict abuse on another human being. That is fucked up, no matter what you say.

I understand that. My point is that you are calling them fucked up, but if you went into a thread about gay marriage and called them fucked up , you would be crucified.

When I said that a person who thinks its okay to walk around naked in front of their children is fucked up , you went nuts

??

When did I do that?

He was addressing my quote. Try to follow along. Maybe you have me on ignore or something? Don't know.

 

[I.P.Freely]

beat me, beat me screamed the masochist ,no whispered the sadist

 

[Darkwind]

beat me, beat me screamed the masochist ,no whispered the sadist

An oldie but a goodie...

 

[emilynghiem]

A "spanking" is not abuse. Tying people up and abusing them to the point where they need a "safety word" OTH is abuse. A simple spanking is NOT considered BDSM. It is MUCH more than just playful spanking or hair pulling. It is inflicting pain and injury on another human being and enjoying it to the point of orgasm.

So put you down as "not kinky"

weren't you in another thread the other day chastising me about judging someone who wrote that they walk around naked in front of their children? See, I consider that child abuse.

Hey, if you want to discuss that then stay in that thread. Don't bring your issues here. Walking around naked is NOT abuse.

I only brought it into this thread to show your hypocrisy.

In fact it's worse than hypocrisy because if a woman chooses to allow herself to be "abused" by a man, she's consented, why do you care what they do if it's consensual? On the other hand, I doubt that anyone who walks around naked in front of their children has asked them if it's okay with them. I can't think of a single child who wants to see their parents naked.

And of course children can't consent anyway.

It is not, you nut job. Walking around nude is not abusive. BDSM is using sex as a guise for abusing people because you like hurting people.

Even if true, if they find someone who consents to being "abused" its frankly none of your business. Land of the free and all that.

I believe people have the right to INFORMED consent.
Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

I agree that fully informed balanced AWARE adults is one thing.

But even studies that show the adult brain isn't fully developed until 21 or 25,
how many abusive habits start before then, and people don't know they are abusing relationships.

Run into this too many times.

Look at politics: people who are fully functioning intelligent informed adults
have NO CLUE what "consent of the governed" means and believe it is "fair game"
to bully over someone else's beliefs or principles by "majority rule." What does that tell you
about the rest of the population? Pretty scary if you ask me!

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

So put you down as "not kinky"

weren't you in another thread the other day chastising me about judging someone who wrote that they walk around naked in front of their children? See, I consider that child abuse.

Hey, if you want to discuss that then stay in that thread. Don't bring your issues here. Walking around naked is NOT abuse.

I only brought it into this thread to show your hypocrisy.

In fact it's worse than hypocrisy because if a woman chooses to allow herself to be "abused" by a man, she's consented, why do you care what they do if it's consensual? On the other hand, I doubt that anyone who walks around naked in front of their children has asked them if it's okay with them. I can't think of a single child who wants to see their parents naked.

And of course children can't consent anyway.

It is not, you nut job. Walking around nude is not abusive. BDSM is using sex as a guise for abusing people because you like hurting people.

Even if true, if they find someone who consents to being "abused" its frankly none of your business. Land of the free and all that.

I believe people have the right to INFORMED consent.
Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

I agree that fully informed balanced AWARE adults is one thing.

But even studies that show the adult brain isn't fully developed until 21 or 25,
how many abusive habits start before then, and people don't know they are abusing relationships.

Run into this too many times.

Look at politics: people who are fully functioning intelligent informed adults
have NO CLUE what "consent of the governed" means and believe it is "fair game"
to bully over someone else's beliefs or principles by "majority rule." What does that tell you
about the rest of the population? Pretty scary if you ask me!

It's not just sex, or politics. People in general are STUPID. But that's part of living in a free country, even the stupid people have rights.

 

[B. Kidd]

Movie made almost $94 million at the box office opening weekend. Let the muppet whuppin's continue............

 

[Darkwind]

So put you down as "not kinky"

weren't you in another thread the other day chastising me about judging someone who wrote that they walk around naked in front of their children? See, I consider that child abuse.

Hey, if you want to discuss that then stay in that thread. Don't bring your issues here. Walking around naked is NOT abuse.

I only brought it into this thread to show your hypocrisy.

In fact it's worse than hypocrisy because if a woman chooses to allow herself to be "abused" by a man, she's consented, why do you care what they do if it's consensual? On the other hand, I doubt that anyone who walks around naked in front of their children has asked them if it's okay with them. I can't think of a single child who wants to see their parents naked.

And of course children can't consent anyway.

It is not, you nut job. Walking around nude is not abusive. BDSM is using sex as a guise for abusing people because you like hurting people.

Even if true, if they find someone who consents to being "abused" its frankly none of your business. Land of the free and all that.

I believe people have the right to INFORMED consent.
Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

I agree that fully informed balanced AWARE adults is one thing.

But even studies that show the adult brain isn't fully developed until 21 or 25,
how many abusive habits start before then, and people don't know they are abusing relationships.

Run into this too many times.

Look at politics: people who are fully functioning intelligent informed adults
have NO CLUE what "consent of the governed" means and believe it is "fair game"
to bully over someone else's beliefs or principles by "majority rule." What does that tell you
about the rest of the population? Pretty scary if you ask me!

I have rarely found a woman under the age of 25 who knows what they want from sex, let alone what kind of 'kink' they like. A great many people I know won't take on a new...um...person unless they are into their 30's. Truth be told, I've found that the studies about a woman hitting her sexual peak in the late 30's to early 40's to be pretty damned accurate. However, to address your point. I would refer you back to an earlier statement I made regarding vetting.

In the community, it can take months to agree to a new partner. For some reason, people seem to think that if One is into the lifestyle, that they'll just go at it with any person who presents themselves. Hollywood did a disservice with a few of their movies that show provide that point of view. However, the BDSM community is very picky about who they'll let in, and who they'll....ah...pleasure.

 

[Disir]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

It wasn't a BDSM tutorial. It was a fantasy. A fantasy for vanilla people. Every so many years someone kicks out a book or movie that toys with BDSM and then part of the population loves it because it is naughty and the other half condemns it. It's usually a shit movie or book that sounds exactly like other shit books and movies.

So if you aren't into being tied up and beaten, you are "vanilla?" Lol. Okay.

BDSM covers a lot more (or not at all) than your statement. So, yep, technical term is "vanilla".

 

[ChrisL]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

It wasn't a BDSM tutorial. It was a fantasy. A fantasy for vanilla people. Every so many years someone kicks out a book or movie that toys with BDSM and then part of the population loves it because it is naughty and the other half condemns it. It's usually a shit movie or book that sounds exactly like other shit books and movies.

So if you aren't into being tied up and beaten, you are "vanilla?" Lol. Okay.

BDSM covers a lot more (or not at all) than your statement. So, yep, technical term is "vanilla".

But we are discussing people who get off on being tied up and abused or doing the abuse. Sorry, not agreeing with that does not make one "vanilla."

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

It wasn't a BDSM tutorial. It was a fantasy. A fantasy for vanilla people. Every so many years someone kicks out a book or movie that toys with BDSM and then part of the population loves it because it is naughty and the other half condemns it. It's usually a shit movie or book that sounds exactly like other shit books and movies.

So if you aren't into being tied up and beaten, you are "vanilla?" Lol. Okay.

BDSM covers a lot more (or not at all) than your statement. So, yep, technical term is "vanilla".

But we are discussing people who get off on being tied up and abused or doing the abuse. Sorry, not agreeing with that does not make one "vanilla."

Vanilla is a term used by BDSM folks to describe EVERYONE who is not into the lifestyle. It's not even meant in a derogatory manner or anything, it simply refers to plain sex.

 

[Disir]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

 

[ChrisL]

Manipulating people who aren't aware of their boundaries and limits is dangerous
and risks abusing people out of negligence and ignorance.

^^^^
This is so true. Many people are at risk because of sheer ignorance or because they maybe want to please their partner, etc. I just don't understand how abuse is classified as sex. It is simply a very strange fetish, which is probably an understatement in some situations. I can't help but think there is something wrong with a person who enjoys inflicting pain, or someone who enjoys receiving it. I see them as having an unhealthy fetish.

 

[Disir]

Fifty Shades of Grey premiere marred by protesters - Celebrity Buzz

Finally! I wasn't surprised by Christians protesting the film premiere as promoting unhealthy relations.

But these protestors hit home, protesting the "glamorization" of domestic violence
(while others claim the character wasn't coerced
but consented to the S&M as sexual exploration).

I was beginning to worry that most people were either hyping this up or brushing it off.
Glad to see some sign of intelligent response I can at least RELATE to.

============

The London premiere of raunchy movie Fifty Shades of Grey was marred by protest groups campaigning against domestic violence on Thursday night.

Members of the Fifty Shades is Domestic Violence campaign group descended on Leicester Square in the British capital armed with placards, balloons, T-shirts and a large banner to protest against the film’s portrayal of a kinky relationship while the stars Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan walked the grey carpet.

Other individuals held up placards to condemn the film for allegedly glamorising domestic violence, with one sign reading, “#BlueAboutGrey – because some Ana’s don’t survive their Christian’s (sic).”

Director Sam Taylor-Johnson addressed the calls of domestic violence to U.K. TV show Good Morning Britain, saying, “We took a very definite approach towards empowering Anastasia and she goes on a sexual exploration, but it’s one she goes on willingly and she consents throughout.”

Stars including Aaron Taylor-Johnson, author E.L. James, former Pussycat Doll Ashley Roberts and singer Jamelia also attended the premiere.

It wasn't a BDSM tutorial. It was a fantasy. A fantasy for vanilla people. Every so many years someone kicks out a book or movie that toys with BDSM and then part of the population loves it because it is naughty and the other half condemns it. It's usually a shit movie or book that sounds exactly like other shit books and movies.

So if you aren't into being tied up and beaten, you are "vanilla?" Lol. Okay.

BDSM covers a lot more (or not at all) than your statement. So, yep, technical term is "vanilla".

But we are discussing people who get off on being tied up and abused or doing the abuse. Sorry, not agreeing with that does not make one "vanilla."

Your unfamiliarity with the term is not my problem. We are discussing BDSM.

 

[ChrisL]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

Wanting to inflict pain and discomfort on another person IS a form of abuse.

 

[Disir]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

It's about consent. Simply because you have no knowledge of it, does not make it abuse.

It also requires a level of trust that many vanilla do not encounter once in their life time.


Once you get into the beating, it's about endorphins. But, I don't think you are ready to understand that.

 

[ChrisL]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

It's about consent. Simply because you have no knowledge of it, does not make it abuse.

It also requires a level of trust that many vanilla do not encounter once in their life time.


Once you get into the beating, it's about endorphins.

I disagree. It is glorified violence. Like I said, a lot of people who were abused as children confuse violence and abuse with affection and love. They are not healthy functioning people. Abusing them and calling it "sex" is wrong.

 

[Muhammed]

I haven't seen the movie but I read the book. I woundn't even classify it as BDSM erotica. It's far-fetched story about some young naive girl falling for a kinky good-looking multi-billionaire.

There's not much BDSM in the book. And what is there is very tame.

IIRC, they never even have sex.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

Wanting to inflict pain and discomfort on another person IS a form of abuse.

In a technical sense you are right, but in a realistic sense what you are saying is myopic.

If a woman consents to the "abuse" then there is no harm done.

I mean if I show up at your house with 10 large pizzas and you choose to eat them, is the physical harm done to your body any different than if I forced you to eat them? No of course not, but would you claim that they are both abuse? Why not?

 

[ChrisL]

We've discussed the abusee and how potentially events in said person's life could lead them to be confused about love and affection versus abuse and violence.

Now, how about the abuser? What kind of person enjoys and gets off on abusing a person? Whether or not they are a willing participant is kind of irrelevant. If a person said to me, I like to be stabbed in the hand, would you stab me in the hand? I would say, NO, you are crazy! Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

It's definitely domestic violence. Just because the woman or man is too stupid to realize it and has been talked into believing that inflicting injuries is "sex" does not mean that it is. Lol.

No. It is not domestic violence. Domestic violence is non-consensual. There are no safe-words or set limits.

Like I said, just because a person finds a person who agrees to be abused, does not mean it is no longer abuse.

Wanting to inflict pain and discomfort on another person IS a form of abuse.

In a technical sense you are right, but in a realistic sense what you are saying is myopic.

If a woman consents to the "abuse" then there is no harm done.

I mean if I show up at your house with 10 large pizzas and you choose to eat them, is the physical harm done to your body any different than if I forced you to eat them? No of course not, but would you claim that they are both abuse? Why not?

Eating pizza is not the equivalent of getting joy out of abusing another person. What kind of person would do that? Think about it.