Proof of AGW fraud

[Rigby5]

No, you did not show that there is more ice now.
There is NO ice data from before there were planes and submarines to explore the ice.
And the graphs you did show were of such as large scale that they do not at all show the last 50 years.
They hardly even show the last 1000 years.
You clearly do not know how to read a graph at all.
As what you published shows you are totally wrong.

It is easy show the real data.
Here is one that at first glance appears similar to what you posted.

But look closer.
The Hockey Stick is visible.
If you look along the right edge on the Temperature Anomaly axis, you will see the year 2016 with an arrow point to a point on the axis, very close to 1 degree above the dotted median of the axis. That clearly is higher than almost every single spike anywhere during the entire Holocene.
Anyone then who does not recognize this as an enormous hockey stick, would have to be blind, stupid, and irrational.

What a doofus...clearly you don't even know what the hockey stick is...and that graph doesn't show one...what that graph shows is that the present is cooler than it has been for most of the past 10,000 years. It shows the same thing as the graphs that I have been showing you, and in case you didn't know, when it is warmer, there is going to be less ice.....or do you think that ice didn't melt when it was warmer in the past.

No, it is clear you do not understand graphs.
The scale of the graph is a span of 10,000 years, so the blip of the hockey stick tip is totally invisible. You can't see it. The interval of the last 1000 years worth of data totally overwhelms it and averages it out of existence on the graph.
The ONLY way we can tell where the hockey stick tip extends, is that they put an arrow with the year 2016 pointing near to the 1 degree increase mark, on the far right axis.

Of course the last 1000 years have been cooler than the 7000 years preceding that. It is supposed to be cooler. We are supposed to have ended the warming at the end of the last interglacial period, and and starting to be cooling off again. But the last 50 years are what is wrong. They are NOT cooling, but heating higher than anything else on the entire graph. Such quick changes do NOT show up on graphs that have too great of a span of time as the scale.

 

[Rigby5]

So you admit that Global Warming is real and it's happening...you just stupidly don't care.

Oh...

Who ever said that the earth isn't warming? It has been warming since the end of the little ice age...and it still isn't as warm as it was before the onset of the little ice age...what would make anyone think that it won't warm up at least to the temperature it was before the onset of the little ice age?

That is idiotic.

It is NOT supposed to be warming now.
We are past the ice age by 20,000 years, it had already reached the warming peak, and it is now supposed to be cooling again. And that is what was happening until about 40 years ago.

You clearly know nothing about earth's history, climate, or anything related to this subject.

And ice age cycles are 120 thousand years long.
The cycles were are forcing, are more like 200 years long for the same range of change.

Tell me, by what metric do you say it is "supposed" to be doing anything. all the temperature reconstructions show that our climate is chaotic with warming and cooling periods happening at seemingly random intervals between glaciations...

You seem to just be making it up as you go because you certainly aren't showing anything like actual science to back up your claims.

Nonsense.
That is nothing chaotic about climate.
It is only weather that is chaotic, not climate.
Climate can NOT be chaotic.
The sun is not chaotic, earth's orbit is not chaotic, the atmosphere is not chaotic.
But there are cycles.
For example, plants absorb CO2, and produce O2, that cools the planet off until it kills the plants, the CO2 is released again, and then the plant begins to warm again.
Simply and not chaotic cycle of about 120,000 years in length.

I don't have add any more evidence because you have not grasped the basics I have already presented. There can be chaotic influences on climate and weather, but there are none now except for humans adding over 5 trillion tons of sequestered carbon into the air every single year.

The climate chaotic. The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

That is not at all true.
Night is completely different from day, but it is not at all chaotic. Change that is regular and predictable cycles is not chaotic. Things that influence climate are not at all chaotic.
Weather is chaotic, but climate is not at all chaotic, unless something additional is added, like a comet strike or humans burning billions of tons of additional carbon a year. Humans and comets are chaotic, not normal climate influences.

 

[Lesh]

The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

Yea...over thousands of years...not decades

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

 

[Rigby5]

Are you an idiot?

Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.

You are so far off that you don't even see that you are contradicting yourself...you claim that we can't do temperature reconstructions, or ice cover reconstructions in one breath, then in the other you claim that you know what the climate is supposed to be doing apparently based on some temperature reconstruction which you claim can't be accurate.

Wrong.

I said that if there were open water in the arctic ocean, that then would have no way to get a record of past ocean ice earlier than that.
The ONLY way you can have a record of past ocean ice is if it never, ever, melts off.

So it is only you have have a contradiction.

What I said about your graphs is that since they likely were made after the melt offs of 2007, they likely are not actual data, but instead guesses based on land ice cores from Greenland or some place like that. That could be totally wrong, because land and ocean temperatures can be vastly different.

But the over all is that it is supposed to be cooling now. The arctic ice should be increasing. The Arctic ice was increasing for the last 7000 years, until only very recently. In just the last couple years, Arctic temps are about 11 degrees above normal. That is scientific fact that no one can deny.

Wrong simpleton, earth temps have been rising for 20000 years, you babble about 2007 as though that was a long time ago

Wrong. Earth temperatures were rising about 20,000 years ago, but have been cooling for the last 7,000 or so.
The whole point is that 2007 was not long ago.
Changes now are happening much faster than they ever normally could.
So clearly the increase in the speed of change shows an additional artificial force, mainly, humans burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered fossil fuel in only a few decades.

 

[Rigby5]

Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.

What measured data are you using to determine how long natural climate cycles are? You just claimed that if it isn't actually measured data, then it can't be real. So who was measuring the onset of ice ages 120,000 years ago?

I cores are an actual measure of land temperatures at the ice code.
If ocean ice ever melts off, there is then no ice core capability, so then no actual measurement data. And using land data to guess at ocean temperatures, is incredibly inaccurate.

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You really are special

Wrong. The depth of the layer indicates precip, but the type of ice indicates temperature.

 

[Frannie]

Who ever said that the earth isn't warming? It has been warming since the end of the little ice age...and it still isn't as warm as it was before the onset of the little ice age...what would make anyone think that it won't warm up at least to the temperature it was before the onset of the little ice age?

That is idiotic.

It is NOT supposed to be warming now.
We are past the ice age by 20,000 years, it had already reached the warming peak, and it is now supposed to be cooling again. And that is what was happening until about 40 years ago.

You clearly know nothing about earth's history, climate, or anything related to this subject.

And ice age cycles are 120 thousand years long.
The cycles were are forcing, are more like 200 years long for the same range of change.

Tell me, by what metric do you say it is "supposed" to be doing anything. all the temperature reconstructions show that our climate is chaotic with warming and cooling periods happening at seemingly random intervals between glaciations...

You seem to just be making it up as you go because you certainly aren't showing anything like actual science to back up your claims.

Nonsense.
That is nothing chaotic about climate.
It is only weather that is chaotic, not climate.
Climate can NOT be chaotic.
The sun is not chaotic, earth's orbit is not chaotic, the atmosphere is not chaotic.
But there are cycles.
For example, plants absorb CO2, and produce O2, that cools the planet off until it kills the plants, the CO2 is released again, and then the plant begins to warm again.
Simply and not chaotic cycle of about 120,000 years in length.

I don't have add any more evidence because you have not grasped the basics I have already presented. There can be chaotic influences on climate and weather, but there are none now except for humans adding over 5 trillion tons of sequestered carbon into the air every single year.

The climate chaotic. The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

That is not at all true.
Night is completely different from day, but it is not at all chaotic. Change that is regular and predictable cycles is not chaotic. Things that influence climate are not at all chaotic.
Weather is chaotic, but climate is not at all chaotic, unless something additional is added, like a comet strike or humans burning billions of tons of additional carbon a year. Humans and comets are chaotic, not normal climate influences.

The last ice age began 1.8 million years ago, your 120000 year cycle is pure nonsense

 

[Rigby5]

LOL like Al Gore proved that all the North Pole ice would be melted in 2010 and no child would ever see snow

Seriously kid you are mentally ill and delusional if you think you can recreate history

There is also video of the skate surfacing at the North Pole in March at the end of winter when the ice is at its thickest

skate at north pole 1958 - Bing video

But you stay there in denial

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


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That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

It was March simpleton not Sept or Oct

You are aware of seasons right

So March would expect more ice than Sept, but very little difference.
Back then the ice did not melt, so there was a very thick layer of perennial ice that never melted of could have melted.
No one said it was Sept or Oct.
The point is no US ship or anyone else saw any open water at any time of the year back then, (except immediately following a new fissure).
That is completely different now, with very little ice remaining in summer, and almost all of it melting off.

 

[Frannie]

The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

Yea...over thousands of years...not decades

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

Actually over millions of years kid

 

[Frannie]

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


.

That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

It was March simpleton not Sept or Oct

You are aware of seasons right

So March would expect more ice than Sept, but very little difference.
Back then the ice did not melt, so there was a very thick layer of perennial ice that never melted of could have melted.
No one said it was Sept or Oct.
The point is no US ship or anyone else saw any open water at any time of the year back then, (except immediately following a new fissure).
That is completely different now, with very little ice remaining in summer, and almost all of it melting off.

Who was there to measure the melt....

No one so you are jerking your pud again

 

[Rigby5]

LOL like Al Gore proved that all the North Pole ice would be melted in 2010 and no child would ever see snow

Seriously kid you are mentally ill and delusional if you think you can recreate history

There is also video of the skate surfacing at the North Pole in March at the end of winter when the ice is at its thickest

skate at north pole 1958 - Bing video

But you stay there in denial

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


.

That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

You call a few inches heavy ice?

The news reel said the ice averaged from 6 to 8 feet thick.
It said that in new fissures, the ice closed it to inches thick almost immediately.

 

[Frannie]

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


.

That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

You call a few inches heavy ice?

The news reel said the ice averaged from 6 to 8 feet thick.
It said that in new fissures, the ice closed it to inches thick almost immediately.

In winter retard

Did your mom drop you

 

[Frannie]

Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.

What measured data are you using to determine how long natural climate cycles are? You just claimed that if it isn't actually measured data, then it can't be real. So who was measuring the onset of ice ages 120,000 years ago?

I cores are an actual measure of land temperatures at the ice code.
If ocean ice ever melts off, there is then no ice core capability, so then no actual measurement data. And using land data to guess at ocean temperatures, is incredibly inaccurate.

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You really are special

Wrong. The depth of the layer indicates precip, but the type of ice indicates temperature.

There is only one type of sea ice moron

Are you a special olympian

 

[Rigby5]

That is idiotic.

It is NOT supposed to be warming now.
We are past the ice age by 20,000 years, it had already reached the warming peak, and it is now supposed to be cooling again. And that is what was happening until about 40 years ago.

You clearly know nothing about earth's history, climate, or anything related to this subject.

And ice age cycles are 120 thousand years long.
The cycles were are forcing, are more like 200 years long for the same range of change.

Tell me, by what metric do you say it is "supposed" to be doing anything. all the temperature reconstructions show that our climate is chaotic with warming and cooling periods happening at seemingly random intervals between glaciations...

You seem to just be making it up as you go because you certainly aren't showing anything like actual science to back up your claims.

Nonsense.
That is nothing chaotic about climate.
It is only weather that is chaotic, not climate.
Climate can NOT be chaotic.
The sun is not chaotic, earth's orbit is not chaotic, the atmosphere is not chaotic.
But there are cycles.
For example, plants absorb CO2, and produce O2, that cools the planet off until it kills the plants, the CO2 is released again, and then the plant begins to warm again.
Simply and not chaotic cycle of about 120,000 years in length.

I don't have add any more evidence because you have not grasped the basics I have already presented. There can be chaotic influences on climate and weather, but there are none now except for humans adding over 5 trillion tons of sequestered carbon into the air every single year.

The climate chaotic. The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

That is not at all true.
Night is completely different from day, but it is not at all chaotic. Change that is regular and predictable cycles is not chaotic. Things that influence climate are not at all chaotic.
Weather is chaotic, but climate is not at all chaotic, unless something additional is added, like a comet strike or humans burning billions of tons of additional carbon a year. Humans and comets are chaotic, not normal climate influences.

The last ice age began 1.8 million years ago, your 120000 year cycle is pure nonsense

You are not paying attention.
Remember, you insisted on calling it interglacial period instead of the more common phrase of ice age?
Personally I think you have it wrong and are referring to epochs, but whatever.
The integlacial periods cycles is only about 120 thousand years long, of cooling and warming back up again.

Interglacial - Wikipedia

 

[Frannie]

Tell me, by what metric do you say it is "supposed" to be doing anything. all the temperature reconstructions show that our climate is chaotic with warming and cooling periods happening at seemingly random intervals between glaciations...

You seem to just be making it up as you go because you certainly aren't showing anything like actual science to back up your claims.

Nonsense.
That is nothing chaotic about climate.
It is only weather that is chaotic, not climate.
Climate can NOT be chaotic.
The sun is not chaotic, earth's orbit is not chaotic, the atmosphere is not chaotic.
But there are cycles.
For example, plants absorb CO2, and produce O2, that cools the planet off until it kills the plants, the CO2 is released again, and then the plant begins to warm again.
Simply and not chaotic cycle of about 120,000 years in length.

I don't have add any more evidence because you have not grasped the basics I have already presented. There can be chaotic influences on climate and weather, but there are none now except for humans adding over 5 trillion tons of sequestered carbon into the air every single year.

The climate chaotic. The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

That is not at all true.
Night is completely different from day, but it is not at all chaotic. Change that is regular and predictable cycles is not chaotic. Things that influence climate are not at all chaotic.
Weather is chaotic, but climate is not at all chaotic, unless something additional is added, like a comet strike or humans burning billions of tons of additional carbon a year. Humans and comets are chaotic, not normal climate influences.

The last ice age began 1.8 million years ago, your 120000 year cycle is pure nonsense

You are not paying attention.
Remember, you insisted on calling it interglacial period instead of the more common phrase of ice age?
Personally I think you have it wrong and are referring to epochs, but whatever.
The integlacial periods cycles is only about 120 thousand years long, of cooling and warming back up again.

Interglacial - Wikipedia

We are in an interglacial. The last ice age began 1.8 million years ago and created 20000 years ago.

Can you elaborate on the different types of sea ice

Yawn

 

[Rigby5]

The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

Yea...over thousands of years...not decades

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

Actually over millions of years kid

Wrong.
There is no climate cycle that is over a million years long.
The most significant climate cycle in the last 10 million years has been the interglacial cycle of 120 thousand years.
Before that things were different, but that is due to things we know little about.

 

[Rigby5]

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


.

That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

It was March simpleton not Sept or Oct

You are aware of seasons right

So March would expect more ice than Sept, but very little difference.
Back then the ice did not melt, so there was a very thick layer of perennial ice that never melted of could have melted.
No one said it was Sept or Oct.
The point is no US ship or anyone else saw any open water at any time of the year back then, (except immediately following a new fissure).
That is completely different now, with very little ice remaining in summer, and almost all of it melting off.

Who was there to measure the melt....

No one so you are jerking your pud again

That is ridiculous.
Humans have been looking desperately for a Northwest Passage for centuries, so of course humans were there to measure the melt off like in 2007 and again in 2016.
Now there are significant annual melt offs that give us a viable Northwest Passage. That did not at all exist before 2007.

 

[Rigby5]

Exactly.
The USS Skate documented heavy ice, and no open water.

The news real showed otherwise.


.

That is ridiculous. At about 30 seconds into the news real, it said there was absolutely no open water near the pole, and they had to break through the ice. There was NEVER any open water shown anywhere near to the Arctic region.

You call a few inches heavy ice?

The news reel said the ice averaged from 6 to 8 feet thick.
It said that in new fissures, the ice closed it to inches thick almost immediately.

In winter retard

Did your mom drop you

So the USS Skate happened to see what March was like.
The USS Natilus did it in the summer, and still thick perennial ice and no melt off or open water.

 

[Lesh]

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

There is only one type of sea ice moron

Are you a special olympian

Stubbornly stupid is no way to go through life

 

[Frannie]

The earth has been frozen solid and completely tropical. This is chaotic.

Yea...over thousands of years...not decades

Ice cores are all the same temp idiot, they measure precip not temps

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

Actually over millions of years kid

Wrong.
There is no climate cycle that is over a million years long.
The most significant climate cycle in the last 10 million years has been the interglacial cycle of 120 thousand years.
Before that things were different, but that is due to things we know little about.

You do know that NASA is predicting a new ice age and that we will need to up co2 output in order to stay warm

NASA Warns Solar Minimum Could Lead To Mini Ice Age

Science

 

[Frannie]

You friggin dolt. It's not that it IS ice...but what is in the ice that is measuredIceCore.htm

IceCore.htm

There is only one type of sea ice moron

Are you a special olympian

Stubbornly stupid is no way to go through life

You would be the expert at that

NASA Warns Solar Minimum Could Lead To Mini Ice Age