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The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and bibles from other types of religion is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration by the Abrahamic God. Bibles from other types of religions (eg. the Islamic Koran) are unable to provide evidence of divine inspiration because no such evidence exists.

The Judeo-Christian Bible contains some 2,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

Example #1: Some pagan nations believed the earth was flat and that if people walked too far, they would fall off. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)


Example #2: Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. It was not until 1687 that Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration, Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;..." (Job 26:7)


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
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How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE (2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle) that Ferdinand Magellan confirmed it?
First to sail around the world
Ferdinand Magellan: the first to go around the world? : Explorers & leaders : Sea & ships fact files : Sea & ships : Explore online : RMG


2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity--considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE (3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing) that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces?
Sir Isaac Newton


3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?


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The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and bibles from other types of religion is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration by the Abrahamic God. Bibles from other types of religions (eg. the Islamic Koran) are unable to provide evidence of divine inspiration because no such evidence exists.

The Judeo-Christian Bible contains some 2,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

Example #1: Some pagan nations believed the earth was flat and that if people walked too far, they would fall off. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)


Example #2: Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. It was not until 1687 that Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration, Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;..." (Job 26:7)


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1.
How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE (2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle) that Ferdinand Magellan confirmed it?
First to sail around the world
Ferdinand Magellan: the first to go around the world? : Explorers & leaders : Sea & ships fact files : Sea & ships : Explore online : RMG


2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity--considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE (3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing) that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces?
Sir Isaac Newton


3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?


Alter2Ego
1. a circle is not a sphere. Sounds like he was describing a pizza more than a globe.

2. he said the north was stretched out over nothing. He didn't say anything about the rest of it. If he was referencing the whole thing, he wouldn't have just pointed out the north.

3.The Bible is an amazing record documenting what man believed. The stories of Isaiah and Moses are some of the first conspiracy theories ever documented. It seems they pulled them out of their asses the same way it's done today.
 
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1. a circle is not a sphere. Sounds like he was describing a pizza more than a globe.

2. he said the north was stretched out over nothing. He didn't say anything about the rest of it. If he was referencing the whole thing, he wouldn't have just pointed out the north.

3.The Bible is an amazing record documenting what man believed. The stories of Isaiah and Moses are some of the first conspiracy theories ever documented. It seems they pulled them out of their asses the same way it's done today.

BULLDOG:

A sphere is a 3-dimensional circular object. Didn't you know that?

"Sphere
A sphere is a three-dimensional round-shaped object."


In case you haven't figured it out by now, a "round-shaped object" perfectly describes a circle.

Circle

"A closed, round geometric figure in which the set of all the points in the plane is equidistant from a given point called ‘center’."


Alter2Ego
 
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2. he said the north was stretched out over nothing. He didn't say anything about the rest of it. If he was referencing the whole thing, he wouldn't have just pointed out the north.
BULLDOG:

If that's the best you can come up with your answer to question #2 in my OP, you just earned yourself an "F" grade. FAIL!


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3.The Bible is an amazing record documenting what man believed. The stories of Isaiah and Moses are some of the first conspiracy theories ever documented. It seems they pulled them out of their asses the same way it's done today.
BULLDOG:

And it just so happens that both Isaiah and Moses were proven to be correct that earth hangs upon nothing (gravity) and that the earth is circular. They wrote these descriptions centuries before other humans eventually proved it. So exactly what is your point?

BTW: You just earned yourself another "F" grade for your answer to Question #3 in my OP. Your skepticism doesn't impress me.


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XponentialChaos:

I presented scriptural evidence in my OP that you and the other two members of the Religion of Atheism that showed up thus far have been unable to overcome.



Alter2Ego
Neat.

That “proof” has been around for a while and the percentage of Christians has only decreased. Seems like it’s not super convincing.
 
I see you have not answered my question of what evidence there is that the bible is inspired. The only "evidence" is that the CHURCH decided that is was/is. Who were the "church"? They were humans like you and me, except they had a stake in making people believe that because to any question of the truth and legitimacy of their beliefs could be answered by saying "It is stated in verse such and such that --------------and since the bible is the word of "God", that is the answer to your question.

I have debated religion for decades now and the response as to where the evidence is usually is met by "Prophecies were fulfilled", and one person gave me one which was debunked because scholars found that it most likely was written after the event.

When you have a document written by unknown humans over centuries and those writings are not dated or signed and then compiled there is no way anyone can tell for certain when and by whom they were written. They are just compiled writings assembled into one book and of course, some of the geography and history would be correct. Why wouldn't it be.

Let's take the lie that Jesus filled a prophecy that the messiah was pierced for our transgressions. There is no way to know first of all if anyone did stick a spear in him as he lie on the cross as that is merely a claim decades later in John 19:34 written in 90-100CE and of course, the UNKNOWN writer would want to make that claim. In any event, Isaiah was originally about Israel being a suffering servant and not some alleged messiah.

Paradoxical#1:

No church (group of so-called religious leaders) has any control over what was written centuries prior to their existence. True, some of the Bible translators have attempted to insert and remove a few words here and there in order to make it seem like the Bible was saying what they would like for it to say. Trinitarian Bible translators are notorious for doing that. But their efforts have all failed because of the context to the verses they tried to manipulate.


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I see you have not answered my question of what evidence there is that the bible is inspired. The only "evidence" is that the CHURCH decided that is was/is. Who were the "church"? They were humans like you and me, except they had a stake in making people believe that because to any question of the truth and legitimacy of their beliefs could be answered by saying "It is stated in verse such and such that --------------and since the bible is the word of "God", that is the answer to your question.

Paradoxical#1:

That's why it's important that we all read the Bible for ourselves and see what it says. In that way, no religious "leader" can pull that con game with "it is stated in verse such and such." Demand that they show you the verse they are referring to. Then what you need to do is read the context to their cherry-picked verse. (Context refers to surrounding words, verses, and chapters.) The context debunks false religious claims every time. I will give you a few examples.

Trinitarians insist that the Abrahamic God is three persons combined into a single god (the Father (Jehovah), the Son (Jesus Christ) and God's Holy Spirit,. Their church "leaders" convinced them by cherry-picking verses and ignoring context. Below are three examples of cherry-picked trinity verses that I will quote from three different Trinitarian Bible translations. I will bold in black the words that Trinitarians routinely point out to me as proof that God is a trinity. I will bold in blue my clarifications.


EXAMPLE #1 of context ignored:

"In the beginning was the Word [Jesus the son], and the Word was with God [Jehovah the father], and the Word was God." (John 1:1 -- New International Version)


EXAMPLE #2 of context ignored: Jesus said the following.
"I and the Father are one.”" (John 10:30 -- English Standard Version)


EXAMPLE #3 of context ignored: After Jesus died, one of his disciples (Thomas) didn't believe it when several other disciples told him that they had met the resurrected Jesus. Below is Thomas' first meeting with the resurrected Jesus.

"{27} Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” {28} Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"" (John 20:27 and 28 -- Berean Standard Bible)


Paradoxical#1: Let me know when you're ready, and I will show you the context to those three verses that Trinitarians routine ignore. Remember, it is the context that enables a reader to get the correct understanding of what they are reading.


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1. a circle is not a sphere. Sounds like he was describing a pizza more than a globe.

2. he said the north was stretched out over nothing. He didn't say anything about the rest of it. If he was referencing the whole thing, he wouldn't have just pointed out the north.

3.The Bible is an amazing record documenting what man believed. The stories of Isaiah and Moses are some of the first conspiracy theories ever documented. It seems they pulled them out of their asses the same way it's done today.
Sometimes it takes a little more than a basic knowledge, to understand the physics in the Bible. What we don't see, is seen by those scientifically inclined. Maimonides studied Genesis and realized that there were 4 seen dimensions, and 6 unseen dimensions. That was in the 12th century. Hawking finally agreed in the 20th century.

Astrophysicist, Hugh Ross, wraps it all up for us in his book, The Genesis Question. It removes all doubt...
 
Neat.

That “proof” has been around for a while and the percentage of Christians has only decreased. Seems like it’s not super convincing.
XponentialChaos:

Explain to the rest of us how the decrease in the percentage of Christians is supposed to change the fact that Isaiah and Moses wrote under inspiration of God.


Alter2Ego
 
The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and bibles from other types of religion is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration by the Abrahamic God. Bibles from other types of religions (eg. the Islamic Koran) are unable to provide evidence of divine inspiration because no such evidence exists.

The Judeo-Christian Bible contains some 2,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

Example #1: Some pagan nations believed the earth was flat and that if people walked too far, they would fall off. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)


Example #2: Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. It was not until 1687 that Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration, Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;..." (Job 26:7)


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1.
How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE (2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle) that Ferdinand Magellan confirmed it?
First to sail around the world
Ferdinand Magellan: the first to go around the world? : Explorers & leaders : Sea & ships fact files : Sea & ships : Explore online : RMG


2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity--considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE (3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing) that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces?
Sir Isaac Newton


3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?


Alter2Ego

not just the christian bible, all three desert religions use judaism in their preamble including the tablets claimed by moses etched in the heavens that never existed ...

those tablets were never witnessed by anyone but moses who destroyed them and negates all three desert bibles as forgeries for their inclusion that could not possibly be known for their true content.

for that and a multitude of instances and their shared complicity w/ judaism that crucified jesus for their repudiation of judaism as a false religion - their pretentious commandments hereditary idolatry apartheid religion et al is then complicit to all three than the true heavenly religion of antiquity taught by jesus.
 
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XponentialChaos:

Explain to the rest of us how the decrease in the percentage of Christians is supposed to change the fact that Isaiah and Moses wrote under inspiration of God.


Alter2Ego
It doesn’t.

It just means that your “proof” isn’t convincing, as I said.
 
BULLDOG:

A sphere is a 3-dimensional circular object. Didn't you know that?

"Sphere
A sphere is a three-dimensional round-shaped object."


In case you haven't figured it out by now, a "round-shaped object" perfectly describes a circle.

Circle

"A closed, round geometric figure in which the set of all the points in the plane is equidistant from a given point called ‘center’."


Alter2Ego
You were doing good till you got to that plane part.
 
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BULLDOG:

If that's the best you can come up with your answer to question #2 in my OP, you just earned yourself an "F" grade. FAIL!


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Not sure if it is the best I can come up with, but it's enough to show you are full of shit.
 
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BULLDOG:

And it just so happens that both Isaiah and Moses were proven to be correct that earth hangs upon nothing (gravity) and that the earth is circular. They wrote these descriptions centuries before other humans eventually proved it. So exactly what is your point?

BTW: You just earned yourself another "F" grade for your answer to Question #3 in my OP. Your skepticism doesn't impress me.


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Sure thing lady. It's your deer, you shot it. Just let me get my saddle off of it.
 
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