Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.

[whutTHEYsay]

Yes we are free to believe as we wish.

Therefore:

We are not a Christian nation based upon Judeo Christian morals, and principles if an atheist can have Christians and principles and maintain a life of good patriotic law, abiding citizenry.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Yes we are free to believe as we wish.

So why are women in an unwanted pregnancy in Christian dominated states not allowed to believe that protected human life begins at birth or the potential ability to survive outside the womb.


A Jewish woman, for instance, who believes God breathes the soul into our mortal bodies at first breath cannot believe that if she lives in Texas.

 

[Leo123]

Therefore:

We are not a Christian nation based upon Judeo Christian morals, and principles if an atheist can have Christians and principles and maintain a life of good patriotic law, abiding citizenry.

An Atheist can live in America comfortably and not be asked to accept Christianity as their personal religion. As I have said over and over again, there is no 'Church of America.' As long as the Atheist (or any other belief) adheres to our Judeo/Christian law ethics.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty.

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

You would think that this would remove all doubt, but as the short thread on the same subject that was so helpfully closed showed us, there are still plenty of folks who will argue the point.

Tell us, why do you think they would write this if it's not true?


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First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774​

The Prayer in the First Congress, A.D. 1774
O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.

 

[Leo123]

So why are women in an unwanted pregnancy in Christian dominated states not allowed to believe that protected human life begins at birth or the potential ability to survive outside the womb.


A Jewish woman, for instance, who believes God breathes the soul into our mortal bodies at first breath cannot believe that if she lives in Texas.

Personal beliefs are not prohibited by the State in America. I don't even know what you are talking about either with unwanted pregnancies. The 'elephant in the room' is why so many women label their children 'unwanted'.....Why is that? Do you know? Have you ever even thought about what you write here?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Personal beliefs are not prohibited by the State in America.

The personal belief that a woman has a right to terminate her own pregnancy is prohibited in white Christian nationalist run states in America. That is not in dispute.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I don't even know what you are talking about either with unwanted pregnancies

An unwanted pregnancy is a pregnancy that is unwanted. What is so hard to understand about that? It happens when a woman gets pregnant and she did so unintentionally and then she decides that she does not want to take the risk of giving childbirth because the possibility of death to her being is a possibility.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

As long as the Atheist (or any other belief) adheres to our Judeo/Christian law ethics.

Our laws are not Judeo Christian laws. Civil law has nothing to do with organized religion, rules, morality, dogma, beliefs, and superstitions.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

September 7, 1774,

The United States of America did not exist in 1774. Sorry.!

 

[Leo123]

Our laws are not Judeo Christian laws. Civil law has nothing to do with organized religion, rules, morality, dogma, beliefs, and superstitions.

In the U.S., Civil law is based on Judeo/Christian morals and values.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

In the U.S., Civil law is based on Judeo/Christian morals and values.

But you say atheists have those same values, so US Civil Laws are based on atheist values as much as Christian values.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It all pertains to your politics. Specifically this.

b.3 NotfooledbyW Feb’22 Vittfd:“ Church Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34 1860 37 1870 35 1890 45 1906 51 1916 53 1926 56 195259 1980 62 1995 65* *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data. nfbw 220207 Vittfd00833


You need to have a little smidgen of intellectual curiosity about the rest of it, which provides context for the above data in today’s politics and what MAGA truly means for American Western liberal democracy vs the biblical worldview being applied to politics.

You went off on a tangent about other stuff….Ive given links that said the overall religious view at that time was Protestant catholic. I don’t care about offshoot groups…my point wasn’t attempting to be that deep. I was just explaining why people say we are founded as a Christian nation.

 

[Leo123]

But you say atheists have those same values, so US Civil Laws are based on atheist values as much as Christian values.

You're starting to get it. Is there an Atheist Ten Commandments? Who would write them?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I was just explaining why people say we are founded as a Christian nation.

We were not founded as a Christian Nation.

The people who say we were “founded”
as a Christian nation are perpetuating the white Christian nationalist myth that America was founded in a Covenant with the Biblical God of Abraham for the salvation of mankind through the sacrifice of his Son’s Virgin birth and subsequent death on the Cross and resurrection.

None of that sin and salvation stuff has as nothing to do with the actual founding of the United States of America.

 

[ThisIsMe]

We were not founded as a Christian Nation.

The people who say we were “founded”
as a Christian nation are perpetuating the white Christian nationalist myth that America was founded in a Covenant with the Biblical God of Abraham for the salvation of mankind through the sacrifice of his Son’s Virgin birth and subsequent death on the Cross and resurrection.

None of that sin and salvation stuff has as nothing to do with the actual founding of the United States of America.

Wow, I seriously think you are a chat bot or something, for all of the information you post, you seem to keep missing the context.

Yes, America was not founded as a Christian nation in the literal sense..by the government. It was founded as a Christian nation just by virtue of Christianity being the dominant religion of the time. That’s all I meant.

 

[Leo123]

We were not founded as a Christian Nation.

The people who say we were “founded”
as a Christian nation are perpetuating the white Christian nationalist myth that America was founded in a Covenant with the Biblical God of Abraham for the salvation of mankind through the sacrifice of his Son’s Virgin birth and subsequent death on the Cross and resurrection.

None of that sin and salvation stuff has as nothing to do with the actual founding of the United States of America.

But the Founders held Judeo/Christian morals, values and beliefs. How could that influence be denied? That being said, they DID NOT set up a Christian nation nor did they create a Church of America. Of course, the fact remains is that most modern religions have much in common including their very basic morals and values.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You're starting to get it. Is there an Atheist Ten Commandments? Who would write them?

Americans can have other Gods or no god before the Ten Commandment God of Abraham.

Americans can make craven I m ages, They do it all the time.

Americans can’t take the Lord’s name in vain.

Americans don’t have to remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy.

Americans don’t have to honor their mother and father,

FILE - Workers repaint a Ten Commandments billboard off of Interstate 71 on Election Day near Chenoweth, Ohio, Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2023. Louisiana could soon become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom — in another expansion of religion into day to day life by a Republican-dominated legislature.

Atheists are not bound to the Ten Commandments but you say they have Judeo Christian morals.

An Atheist can live in America comfortably and not be asked to accept Christianity as their personal religion. As I have said over and over again, there is no 'Church of America.' As long as the Atheist (or any other belief) adheres to our Judeo/Christian law ethics.

You are expressing an argument that America is a Christian Nation where nobody actually has to accept Christianity as their personal religion or Jesus as their Savior but they still have high enough moral character fit to be a good American citizen.

So what is a Christian nation exactly where nobody has to be Christian?

 

[Leo123]

Americans can have other Gods or no god before the Ten Commandment God of Abraham.

Americans can make craven I m ages, They do it all the time.

Americans can’t take the Lord’s name in vain.

Americans don’t have to remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy.

Americans don’t have to honor their mother and father,


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FILE - Workers repaint a Ten Commandments billboard off of Interstate 71 on Election Day near Chenoweth, Ohio, Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2023. Louisiana could soon become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom — in another expansion of religion into day to day life by a Republican-dominated legislature.

Atheists are not bound to the Ten Commandments but you say they have Judeo Christian morals.



You are expressing an argument that America is a Christian Nation where nobody actually has to accept Christianity as their personal religion or Jesus as their Savior but they still have high enough moral character fit to be a good American citizen.

So what is a Christian nation exactly where nobody has to be Christian?

Nope, I never said America is a Christian nation. If you have a problem with a billboard, may I suggest you might be a bit

 

[whutTHEYsay]

But the Founders held Judeo/Christian morals, values and beliefs.

But they did not have to be Christians to have what you call Judeo/Christian morals, values and beliefs.

 

[Leo123]

But they did not have to be Christians to have what you call Judeo/Christian morals, values and beliefs.

YES!! Finally you got it. Now what's next?