Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.

[konradv]

No, they realized it was a political reality and that the founding document was a political document. In Article I Section 9 they included a sunset provision regarding slavery, in the year 1808.

Sunset for importation, not slavery.

#ITSALSOALIVINGDOCUMENT

 

[Couchpotato]

All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty.

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

You would think that this would remove all doubt, but as the short thread on the same subject that was so helpfully closed showed us, there are still plenty of folks who will argue the point.

Tell us, why do you think they would write this if it's not true?


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11 of 13 state Constitutions had a religious oath requirement to hold public office.

That said when people say the US was founded as a Christian Nation they are talking about the principles it was founded on which are undoubtedly Judeo Christian.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

That said when people say the US was founded as a Christian Nation they are talking about the principles it was founded on which are undoubtedly Judeo Christian.

The JudeoChristisn unique and severely weird principle belief that all human beings suffer from Original Sin which causes separation into darkness from the God of Abraham who is the one and only true God who originally required sacrifice of one’s livestock to stay in good graces with Him until he got a virgin human being pregnant and she bore his only begotten earthly Son who basically says human beings should.be nice to each other but that won’t make the God of Abraham happy at all. Everyong had to check their rational thinking at the saloon door and swear in front of other like/minded human beings that they believe the story revealed in the Holy Bible that Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins and in exchange for that plus 10 percent of your production in the fields from your labor given to a church; that belief will keep you united with God for all eternity,

The United States of America was not founded on anything remotely similar to the above. If you think it is, Saint_Couchpotato please go into detail..

 

[Captain Caveman]

11 of 13 state Constitutions had a religious oath requirement to hold public office.

That said when people say the US was founded as a Christian Nation they are talking about the principles it was founded on which are undoubtedly Judeo Christian.

The folk in the British colonies just carried on as usual when it switched from London to Washington DC despite a document. They practised Christianity. As religion and the state we're separated, it's just simply why religion wasn't in the constitution, and the folk carried on as normal.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

11 of 13 state Constitutions had a religious oath requirement to hold public office.

That said when people say the US was founded as a Christian Nation they are talking about the principles it was founded on which are undoubtedly Judeo Christian.

The regulatory laws that were promulgated after the Constitution was adopted and the subsequent government convened.

There is nothing in the Constitution derived from any religious tenets. The flawed three-branch separation was just theorized a few decades earlier, and the organizations of the branches were easily derived from the colonial governing examples of representation.

 

[Couchpotato]

The regulatory laws that were promulgated after the Constitution was adopted and the subsequent government convened.

There is nothing in the Constitution derived from any religious tenets. The flawed three-branch separation was just theorized a few decades earlier, and the organizations of the branches were easily derived from the colonial governing examples of representation.

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Right so the entire country was essentially one form of Christian or another, almost all the States required a statement of faith in order to hold public office, but these closely held beliefs didn't inform their thinking when they formed the Government or the passage of subsequent laws. I'm not sure why it's so important that the Christians who formed the United States somehow set their beliefs on morality, right and wrong, the rule of law, natural rights etc which were undoubtedly informed by their religious faith, aside, but if that's the fantasy world you want to live in have at it.

 

[PeterPilot]

In the legislative efforts of humans in government, utopia and perfection are never options. Why some pretend they are options shows the tendency of humans practice deception. In truth, Madison said, all men holding power ought to be mistrusted.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Moreover Lying Fucktards "

* Shit For Brains Propaganda *

Why would a woman (outside of health and rape) want to kill their baby? Women can CHOOSE to let a penis into their vagina. What are you saying? Women are just stupid? Don't they know where babies come from?

Are you so narrow minded and ignorant that developmental anomalies do occur and that they are typically not determined until ultrasound between 13 and 20 weeks and sometimes not until later than that ?

How in hell do sanctimonious sacrosanct puritanical reprobates come to an imbecilic conclusion that women option without cause abortion in second and third trimesters , while its propagandists continue to do nothing other than depict perfectly healthy pregnancies being aborted at those stages of development ?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Rejecting Antinomain Precepts By Invoking Nomainism "

* Antinomian Paradox And Relativism When Claiming To Be The Standard Of Virtue *

Another strawman.

First there is a difference between the nomianism of torahnism and antinomianism of the gospel , where antinomianism translates into that by no name will a law be made .

One could assert that the gospel conforms to an independent standard of virtue for social norms , without itself being the standard of virtue for social norms , as to assert otherwise would contradict a premise of antinomianism .

* Because Murder Is Killing Without A License *

The original commandment is not to murder.

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal pretext .

There is not a natural law against killing and a conjecture of a divine commandment without a retort is hubris , which is why the theatrical macabre for a final day of judgement is contrived .

* Too Quixotic About Nature *

Natural law? Survival of the fittest is the natural law. You want to kill the unfit?

The laws of nature include many options , including an option of no option .

If a criteria of success within nature is survival , then that the fittest survive is incidental , however it is not mandatory .

When it comes to survival through progeny , when a woman is faced with developmental anomalies such as fetal deformities or infertility or deleterious health , an option to abort the pregnancy is her own option .

 

[cnm]

Flummery ^^

Deflection from the sacred state of slavery in early American Judeo-Christian values.

 

[Leo123]

" Moreover Lying Fucktards "

* Shit For Brains Propaganda *

Are you so narrow minded and ignorant that developmental anomalies do occur and that they are typically not determined until ultrasound between 13 and 20 weeks and sometimes not until later than that ?

How in hell do sanctimonious sacrosanct puritanical reprobates come to an imbecilic conclusion that women option without cause abortion in second and third trimesters , while its propagandists continue to do nothing other than depict perfectly healthy pregnancies being aborted at those stages of development ?

I did mention health, did you not comprehend?

My question to you would be: How in the Hell can a woman who is pregnant want to kill the developing human inside her in NORMAL (no rape, no health problems, etc.) circumstances? Basically an abortion for convenience.

 

[Leo123]

" Rejecting Antinomain Precepts By Invoking Nomainism "

* Antinomian Paradox And Relativism When Claiming To Be The Standard Of Virtue *

First there is a difference between the nomianism of torahnism and antinomianism of the gospel , where antinomianism translates into that by no name will a law be made .

One could assert that the gospel conforms to an independent standard of virtue for social norms , without itself being the standard of virtue for social norms , as to assert otherwise would contradict a premise of antinomianism .

* Because Murder Is Killing Without A License *

A law exists because there is an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violations of some legal pretext .

There is not a natural law against killing and a conjecture of a divine commandment without a retort is hubris , which is why the theatrical macabre for a final day of judgement is contrived .

* Too Quixotic About Nature *

The laws of nature include many options , including an option of no option .

If a criteria of success within nature is survival , then that the fittest survive is incidental , however it is not mandatory .

When it comes to survival through progeny , when a woman is faced with developmental anomalies such as fetal deformities or infertility or deleterious health , an option to abort the pregnancy is her own option .

It's still 'Thou shalt no murder' it's the only thing that makes sense because killing is sanctioned in certain circumstances such as to obtain meat and would not have been specifically banned.

I see, the old 'I get away with it if no one sees me' mentality. That's why the law exists in the first place isn't it?

If an entity is not fit, that entity will decline faster than its equals. Generally, the fittest survive and prosper. Laws are contrived to support the idea of natural and religious laws because it is these forces that create a human society that can exist and thrive on a daily basis without litigating every single perceived 'wrong' done to another.

 

[Leo123]

Deflection from the sacred state of slavery in early American Judeo-Christian values.

Since there is no 'sacred state of slavery' in America I was correct in calling your vapid post 'flummery.'

 

[ice man]

Wow. One paragraph from one guy. Run with it!

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Without Cause Simply They Do Not Want It "

* Not Concerned With Any More Regard Than For Farm Animals *

I did mention health, did you not comprehend?
My question to you would be: How in the Hell can a woman who is pregnant want to kill the developing human inside her in NORMAL (no rape, no health problems, etc.) circumstances? Basically an abortion for convenience.

Not everyone is afflicted with the histrionics of anthropocentrc psychosis , even though those same individuals are not without empathy for suffering or ethical principles of compassion for other sentient beings .

There are fathers who bring their adolescent daughters to the clinic .

Historically , 75% of women having abortion are between 0% and 200% of the poverty line and more than 50% of women having abortion already have one or more child .

In Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia was passed to end generational welfare and no longer provided an additional stipend for more children that removed the incentive to have more children by those less capable of supporting them .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Not Enthralled With Human Centered Ego "

* Do Not Want One Do Not Get One *

It's still 'Thou shalt no murder' it's the only thing that makes sense because killing is sanctioned in certain circumstances such as to obtain meat and would not have been specifically banned.

Thus you are asserting that whether abortion is murder or simply killing for good reason is relative and depends on personal opinion .

* Owning Up To Dirty Laundry *

I see, the old 'I get away with it if no one sees me' mentality. That's why the law exists in the first place isn't it?

To which law are you referring , would it be laws put in place that are enforced by an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violation of its legal pretexts such as a collective state of individuals , or are you referring to a relative opinion that some personified goad will issue a retort for a killing thereby making it murder ?

When goad kills the first born , one clad grieves while the other rejoices , so was the act murder or killing ?

* Paradoxes And Contradictions Of Nature *

If an entity is not fit, that entity will decline faster than its equals. Generally, the fittest survive and prosper. Laws are contrived to support the idea of natural and religious laws because it is these forces that create a human society that can exist and thrive on a daily basis without litigating every single perceived 'wrong' done to another.

We see the apex predator damned dirty ape proving that only its survival is relevant as it runs roughshod over every other species that cannot escape its gluttony or veracity , of course unless the most likely to not survive are stupid as rock farm animals which get a free pass .

 

[surada]

LOL more lies. The Founding Fathers endlessly debated about almost everything.
Thomas Jefferson was a big advocate to leave religion out of the government. John Adams and others believed belief in God was essential for a functioning democracy. Of course it turned out Jefferson was bedding a slave girl from the time she was 14, so you can see why he wasn’t the biggest fan of religion. And this is the man you pin all of your beliefs on?

Wasn't that Jefferson's nephew?

 

[Leo123]

" Not Enthralled With Human Centered Ego "

* Do Not Want One Do Not Get One *

Thus you are asserting that whether abortion is murder or simply killing for good reason is relative and depends on personal opinion .

* Owning Up To Dirty Laundry *

To which law are you referring , would it be laws put in place that are enforced by an entity capable of and issuing a retort for violation of its legal pretexts such as a collective state of individuals , or are you referring to a relative opinion that some personified goad will issue a retort for a killing thereby making it murder ?

When goad kills the first born , one clad grieves while the other rejoices , so was the act murder or killing ?

* Paradoxes And Contradictions Of Nature *

We see the apex predator damned dirty ape proving that only its survival is relevant as it runs roughshod over every other species that cannot escape its gluttony or veracity , of course unless the most likely to not survive are stupid as rock farm animals which get a free pass .

You make no sense. Good bye.