project 2025

[The Duke]

tRumpling please! Eliminating SS and SSI have been tRumpling pillars all along.

That's why Clinton cut the hell out of them, right? Right? Oh whoops, that was welfare.

How Bill Clinton’s Welfare Reform Changed America | HISTORY

Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign placed welfare reform at its center, claiming that his proposal would “end welfare as we have come to know it.”

www.history.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Debunking Each Claim​

End no-fault divorce​

• Accuracy: This claim is not directly supported by Project 2025 documentation. Conservative platforms have debated family structure, but there is no explicit policy proposal from Project 2025 to end no-fault divorce.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Project 2025 Overview

Complete ban on abortions without exceptions​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 does advocate for pro-life policies, but the specific call for a complete ban on abortions without exceptions is not documented in the project materials.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Project 2025 Overview

Ban contraceptives​

• Accuracy: There is no evidence that Project 2025 includes a policy to ban contraceptives. Conservative platforms typically focus on restricting abortion rather than contraceptives.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Project 2025 Overview

Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 does advocate for tax reforms that could benefit corporations and high-income individuals, but it emphasizes overall economic growth and simplification of the tax code.
• Source: Mandate for Leadership

Higher taxes for the working class​

• Accuracy: This claim is misleading. Project 2025 focuses on tax cuts and reforms across the board, not specifically raising taxes on the working class.
• Source: Mandate for Leadership

Elimination of unions and worker protections​

• Accuracy: While the project advocates for reducing regulations that could affect unions, there is no explicit call to eliminate unions entirely.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Labor Policy

Raise the retirement age​

• Accuracy: This claim is not directly supported by Project 2025 documentation. However, discussions about entitlement reforms often include raising the retirement age.
• Source: Mandate for Leadership

Cut Social Security​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 does not explicitly call for cutting Social Security but does suggest reforms to ensure its long-term sustainability.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Social Security Policy

Cut Medicare​

• Accuracy: Similar to Social Security, the project calls for reforms to Medicare rather than outright cuts.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Medicare Policy

End the Affordable Care Act​

• Accuracy: Accurate. Project 2025 includes proposals to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
• Source: Heritage Foundation Health Care Policy

Raise prescription drug prices​

• Accuracy: There is no specific policy in Project 2025 to raise prescription drug prices. The project advocates for market-based solutions to healthcare.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Health Care Policy

Eliminate the Department of Education​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 does propose significant reductions in the role of the Department of Education, favoring local and state control over education.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools​

• Accuracy: The project advocates for school choice, which can include vouchers for private and religious schools.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools​

• Accuracy: There is no explicit policy in Project 2025 to mandate teaching Christian beliefs in public schools.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

End free and discounted school lunch programs​

• Accuracy: This claim is not supported by Project 2025 documentation. The project focuses on broader education reforms rather than specific programs like school lunches.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

End civil rights & DEI protections in government​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 calls for changes to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) policies, but not an outright end to civil rights protections.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Civil Rights Policy

Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education​

• Accuracy: There is no explicit policy in Project 2025 to ban specific academic fields.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

Ban books and curriculum about slavery​

• Accuracy: There is no policy in Project 2025 to ban books or curriculum about slavery. It advocates for educational content that aligns with certain historical perspectives.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Education Policy

Ending climate protections​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 advocates for reducing regulations and promoting energy independence, which could impact climate protections.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Energy Policy

Increase Arctic drilling​

• Accuracy: Accurate. Project 2025 supports increasing domestic energy production, including Arctic drilling.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Energy Policy

Deregulate big business and the oil industry​

• Accuracy: Accurate. The project advocates for reducing regulations on businesses, including the oil industry.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Economic Policy

Promote and expedite capital punishment​

• Accuracy: There is no explicit mention of promoting capital punishment in Project 2025 materials.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Criminal Justice Policy

End marriage equality​

• Accuracy: There is no specific policy in Project 2025 to end marriage equality.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Marriage and Family Policy

Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families”​

• Accuracy: The project promotes traditional family values but does not specifically condemn single mothers.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Marriage and Family Policy

Defund the FBI and Homeland Security​

• Accuracy: The project calls for reforms within these agencies but does not advocate for defunding them.
• Source: Heritage Foundation National Security Policy

Use the military to break up domestic protests​

• Accuracy: There is no specific policy in Project 2025 advocating for the use of the military to break up protests.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Defense Policy

Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in “camps”​

• Accuracy: The project calls for stricter immigration enforcement but does not explicitly advocate for mass deportation and incarceration in camps.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Immigration Policy

End birthright citizenship​

• Accuracy: Some conservative platforms support ending birthright citizenship, but this is not explicitly detailed in Project 2025.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Immigration Policy

Ban Muslims from entering the country​

• Accuracy: Project 2025 focuses on stricter immigration controls and vetting processes but does not explicitly call for a ban on Muslims.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Immigration Policy

Eliminates federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA, and more​

• Accuracy: The project advocates for reducing the scope of federal agencies and increasing state control, but not outright elimination.
• Source: Heritage Foundation Government Reform Policy

If democrats didn't lie they would have nothing to say.

 

[toobfreak]

Read the platform for the Democratic Socialists of America, those are the hard lefties in the Dem party.

Well, you see:

1. Most democrats are not on the evening news saying they are a member of the DSA.
2. I've not seen any democrats espousing what is on the DSA website.
3. You have to know about and go to the DSA website to find that stuff. My point is that major figures of the GOP are regularly on Fox, major media channels saying "This is who we are, this is our plans" in detail. And those really are their plans, whereas, little if any of what Obumma or Biden did in office was ever mentioned much less detailed in their campaigns.

 

[martybegan]

Well, you see:

1. Most democrats are not on the evening news saying they are a member of the DSA.
2. I've not seen any democrats espousing what is on the DSA website.
3. You have to know about and go to the DSA website to find that stuff. My point is that major figures of the GOP are regularly on Fox, major media channels saying "Thids is who we are, this is our plans" in detail. And those really are their plans, whereas, little if any of what Obumma or Biden did in office was ever mentioned much less detailed in their campaigns.

1. There are plenty of Democrats that are part of the DSA, including AOC.
2. See response 1.
3. Where are these people saying that? From what I've seen it's all Dems talking about it, not Republicans.
4. The Heritage foundation isn't a party, it's an interest group.

 

[Rawley]

“When fascism comes to America…”

Fascism is already here – the consequence of Trump and the illiberal, authoritarian right.

LOL FRom the party imprisoning their political enemies. "Authoritarian" LOL You loons are a hoot.

 

[Rawley]

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January 6th boogeyman run out of gas? They had to feed you a new one to keep you under your bed? LOL Too funny

 

[toobfreak]

1. There are plenty of Democrats that are part of the DSA, including AOC.

Do you think the average voter knows that? I've never heard her talk about it.
The average voter has no idea what the DSA is all about because it isn't covered in the news.
Yet here are the GOP making a big deal out of Project 2025 all over the news. Meantime Trump claims he personally got rid of RvW, which is not true.

 

[Rawley]

Well, you see:

1. Most democrats are not on the evening news saying they are a member of the DSA.
2. I've not seen any democrats espousing what is on the DSA website.
3. You have to know about and go to the DSA website to find that stuff. My point is that major figures of the GOP are regularly on Fox, major media channels saying "This is who we are, this is our plans" in detail.

You've seen GOP leaders on Fox promoting Project 2025? Like who?

1. And those really are their plans, whereas, little if any of what Obumma or Biden did in office was ever mentioned much less detailed in their campaigns.

True, the ran as moderates and governed like far left loons.

 

[martybegan]

Do you think the average voter knows that? I've never heard her talk about it.
The average voter has no idea what the DSA is all about because it isn't covered in the news.
Yet here are the GOP making a big deal out of Project 2025 all over the news. Meantime Trump claims he personally got rid of RvW, which is not true.

Again, is the GOP making a big deal of it or are the Dems?

Trump made it possible. And getting rid of Chevron. And getting Bruen.

 

[toobfreak]

Again, is the GOP making a big deal of it or are the Dems?

Both. Meanwhile, are the GOP making a big deal out of the DSA?

Trump made it possible.

Only by nominating three fairly constitutional conservatives to the bench (which any president should do). He could not predict the RvW issue would come up and would be resolved this way.

 

[martybegan]

Both. Meanwhile, are the GOP making a big deal out of the DSA?


Only by nominating three fairly constitutional conservatives to the bench (which any president should do). He could not predict the RvW issue would come up and would be resolved this way.

They should.

That has been in the pipeline for years now, we knew it would come up somewhere near his term.

Should we stop groups like the Heritage foundation from releasing things like this?

 

[Crepitus]

That's why Clinton cut the hell out of them, right? Right? Oh whoops, that was welfare.

How Bill Clinton’s Welfare Reform Changed America | HISTORY

Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign placed welfare reform at its center, claiming that his proposal would “end welfare as we have come to know it.”

www.history.com

Bill Clinton added money to the program. No cuts.

 

[Oddball]

1. You have to know about and go to the DSA website to find that stuff. My point is that major figures of the GOP are regularly on Fox, major media channels saying "This is who we are, this is our plans" in detail. And those really are their plans, whereas, little if any of what Obumma or Biden did in office was ever mentioned much less detailed in their campaigns.

Uh-huh....And they've been saying those things since at least Nixon....What have they ACCOMPLISHED?

 

[ozro]

It's the unwritten parts that should scare people. I hate to be the one "leaking" this, but just can't help myself.
2025 unwritten goals:
U1) all registered democratic voters to be rounded up for reeducation and tattooing a big "L" on the left side of the forehead.
U2) All females will be required to raise the children that otherwise would have been aborted, since abortion will be illegal. Make it fashionable to call every female "mom".
U3) All celebrity persons and production companies, including writers, will be placed immediately into reeducation camps. Those that can't be reeducated will never be set free.
U4) News organizations will operate at the pleasure of the Republican president. Those that displease the president will be required to be a bad guy in a western starring Alec Baldwin.
U5) Doctors who lie to the public will be forced to undergo shock treatment and lobotomy.
U6) Nobody will be allowed to disagree with Ozro, Ozro shall be venerated by everyone at all times and recognized as the supreme authority on every subject.

 

[The Duke]

It's the unwritten parts that should scare people. I hate to be the one "leaking" this, but just can't help myself.
2025 unwritten goals:
U1) all registered democratic voters to be rounded up for reeducation and tattooing a big "L" on the left side of the forehead.
U2) All females will be required to raise the children that otherwise would have been aborted, since abortion will be illegal. Make it fashionable to call every female "mom".
U3) All celebrity persons and production companies, including writers, will be placed immediately into reeducation camps. Those that can't be reeducated will never be set free.
U4) News organizations will operate at the pleasure of the Republican president. Those that displease the president will be required to be a bad guy in a western starring Alec Baldwin.
U5) Doctors who lie to the public will be forced to undergo shock treatment and lobotomy.
U6) Nobody will be allowed to disagree with Ozro, Ozro shall be venerated by everyone at all times and recognized as the supreme authority on every subject.

You win the internets for at least half a week!

 

[toobfreak]

Uh-huh....And they've been saying those things since at least Nixon....What have they ACCOMPLISHED?

My most often point about the GOP is that they always spell out their game plan in detail loudly as if to attract voters. But what if you were playing chess and told the other person your gambit going into the game? All this does is give the Dems advance notice so they can strategize a campaign and ad message attacking it as wrong and a danger to our democracy. At least the democrats have good enough sense to keep their real plans to themselves or only leak part of it, or to offer misleading misdirection until they get in office.

But what did the GOP do? Ignoring this Project stuff, after the SC ruled on moving abortion back to the state level (an advantage as now there are 50 different possibilities and the decision is now being made closer to the individual):

• Every red state jumped on it right away like it had to be done now and several of them stupidly practically BANNED ALL abortion, even if the mother's life was in danger!
• Trump jumped onto every TV channel and started wrongly and incorrectly bragging that HE did it! He did not. He has no control in the issues the SC take up nor how they collectively decide each case.

If not for those two self-inflicted actions, the democrats would not have abortion on the palette now for this election, their biggest campaign issue. And neither Trump nor the GOP are apparently smart enough to spin the SC decision as a GOOD thing, much less a necessary, legal or constitutional thing.

Thing is, if a woman goes out and wantonly gets pregnant, she has already kinda made her choice--- to be pregnant. There is now another life to consider, but still, abortion is a MEDICAL procedure, sometimes an urgent and necessary one, and you can't just unilaterally BAN it or impose impossible conditions of restrictions no matter how you may personally feel.

 

[Synthaholic]

Project 2025, page 592: make it harder for employees to be paid at overtime rates by allowing employers to average the number of hours worked over 2-4 weeks

 

[Synthaholic]

Trump's Project 2025, page 594: make it harder for employees to unionize and allow employers to commit workplace safety violations without fear of repercussions simply by claiming that they didn't intend to put workers in harm's way

 

[Synthaholic]

Trump's Project 2025, page 591: coerce individuals to work multiple jobs by making it easy for large employers to re-classify workers as independent contractors with limited access to benefits and without the ability to unionize

 

[Synthaholic]