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It is when it becomes an exercise in attempting to demean the character of Senators in their own party based on those Senators views not falling squarely into line with those of party activists.It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
We aren't talking about republicans here, you know
Media may be doing that, I don't think other senators are.It is when it becomes an exercise in attempting to demean the character of Senators in their own party based on those Senators views not falling squarely into line with those of party activists.It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
We aren't talking about republicans here, you know
Honest debate is one thing, attempting to characterize Manchin as some sort of “traitor”, “stooge” or as “anti-democratic” is quite another.
The middle is a graveyard of half-measures, poison pills and deals with the devil that can make any good idea into an ineffective pile of crap.So if I’m understanding your point of view correctly, the only two alternatives for the governing party are weakness or ruthlessness? Seems to completely discount the “middle way” approach endorsed (and sometimes used effectively) by past Presidents.If whining is weakness and being ruthless is out of bounds it seems there is no acceptable way for democrats to counter a bunch that sees insurrection as a legitimate political tactic.They can it’s there job since it’s incumbent upon the party in power to find a way to get their “agenda” enacted, it’s the minority’s job to try and stop them while at the same to representing the views of their constituents.You're acting like democrats can offer the republicans something they value more than a defeat.The “current crop of republicans” may be as you characterize them to be, that’s of course a subjective evaluation. I suspect though that what they’re counting on is that the Democrats WON’T seek compromise in good faith and thus give them a good excuse to dig in their heels and claim that the Democrats are ineffective and extremists that are incapable of governing.Our current crop of republicans are the most ruthless cutthroat back-stabbing bastards that ever held office in this country. They are absolutely counting on democrats to play nice and seek compromise.Er.. um… compromise is a TWO WAY STREET and capitulation isn’t on it. Manchin appears to at least understand that, it’s too bad the extremes in both parties don’t.There is no compromise with the republicans. The only reason they even come to the bargaining table is to waste valuable time haggling over legislation they will never vote for no matter what.It seems it’s less about “Thwarting the democratic agenda” and more about keeping the Democrats from falling off the left edge of the planet again.Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.
He represents the center of the Democrat party, if they’re smart they’ll listen to him and work towards compromise, if not they’ll likely get nothing accomplished except firing up the GOP base and getting their asses handed to them in 2022.
The Democrats DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, they won one election, if they want to win a second one they had better learn to start listening to Manchin and start negotiating in good faith to figure out deal points that will be acceptable to most voters. I haven’t seen them doing much of that, they seem to think that most people see things exactly the same way as they do.
Granted the Republicans aren’t doing much good faith negotiation either but the fact of the matter is the Democrats aren’t giving them many reasons to do so.
Same script that happens every election cycle, the crime family in power does the “take it or leave it” act and those in the minority respond accordingly, leading to the pendulum of power swinging back in the other direction.
It’s the same exact behaviour that the Democrats displayed during the Trump Regime when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress.
The ball is in the Democrats court, that’s why people gave them the power, can they figure out how to use it or will they just whine about how the minority isn’t conceding to their demands? After all, the minority still represents the will of 10’s of millions of American voters, they’re not expected to roll over just because the majority represents the will of a few million more.
Well that certainly explains why our current political system is in complete disarray and why neither party can be seen as anything close to competent when it comes to governing.
LOL members of Congress are WHY the press is doing it those members were on talk shows saying it.Media may be doing that, I don't think other senators are.It is when it becomes an exercise in attempting to demean the character of Senators in their own party based on those Senators views not falling squarely into line with those of party activists.It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
We aren't talking about republicans here, you know
Honest debate is one thing, attempting to characterize Manchin as some sort of “traitor”, “stooge” or as “anti-democratic” is quite another.
It’s not other Senators that I’ve seen, Senators tend to be more respectful of the collegial environment than that. It’s the Democrat party activists/donors/et al. And their lap dogs in the media that are doing it.Media may be doing that, I don't think other senators are.It is when it becomes an exercise in attempting to demean the character of Senators in their own party based on those Senators views not falling squarely into line with those of party activists.It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
We aren't talking about republicans here, you know
Honest debate is one thing, attempting to characterize Manchin as some sort of “traitor”, “stooge” or as “anti-democratic” is quite another.
I do not believe shit anymore if Repubs win unless they do what is promised.Progressives need only ask themselves this:
If the Republicans win back the Senate next year, will they still support the removal of the Fillibuster?
What am I saying? That would require the progressives to do some navel-gazing and be honest with themselves.
Member of congress were on the news calling manchin and co. "traitors" and "Antidemocratic"?LOL members of Congress are WHY the press is doing it those members were on talk shows saying it.Media may be doing that, I don't think other senators are.It is when it becomes an exercise in attempting to demean the character of Senators in their own party based on those Senators views not falling squarely into line with those of party activists.It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
We aren't talking about republicans here, you know
Honest debate is one thing, attempting to characterize Manchin as some sort of “traitor”, “stooge” or as “anti-democratic” is quite another.
I don't count on the Republicans doing what they say. I was remarking on the inconsistent and hypocritical mindset of the left.I do not believe shit anymore if Repubs win unless they do what is promised.Progressives need only ask themselves this:
If the Republicans win back the Senate next year, will they still support the removal of the Fillibuster?
What am I saying? That would require the progressives to do some navel-gazing and be honest with themselves.
Respectfully, I used to be the same. I just couldn't grasp why the media and the Left (but I repeat myself) were so willing to openly burn down their credibility in their attempts first to defeat Trump and THEN to illegally remove him from an office he WON in 2016.It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
I only count on them doing whatever is expedient for their own careers. That's where pressure from the Trump element of the party comes in. ANY Representative that depends of Republican votes who refuses to support Impeachment efforts against the Turnip-in-Chief, will be shown the error of their ways, quickly. The slow-roll BS is OVAH...I don't count on the Republicans doing what they say. I was remarking on the inconsistent and hypocritical mindset of the left.
The filibuster needs to end NOW. There will be no other chance.Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema
“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).
Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.
It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.
Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.
One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”
So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.
It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.
No, and no.The filibuster needs to end NOW. There will be no other chance.
And the court needs to be expanded
NOW
The filibuster needs to end NOW. There will be no other chance.
And the court needs to be expanded
NOW
We will seeChuck U. Schumer doesn't want to end the filibuster for a real good reason. The filibuster allows the D's the ability to maintain the illusion of unanimity in the party.
And there aren't enough votes in the Senate to approve expanding the court, that's why it isn't going to happen. Smart D's know that they don't have a permanent lock on the Congress, and the day will come soon enough for the R's to expand the court again to negate such a bullshit move.
Still enough sane adults in the D party.
We will see
That may be changing
And you can pound sand NOW. Fucking LushYes and yes
And NOW
We shall see. Republicans have given plenty of evidence for the need to both kill the filibuster and expand the Court.And you can pound sand NOW. Fucking Lush
Nice of you to admit your desire foe a permanent ONE PARTY far Left state, fucking Communist!We shall see. Republicans have given plenty of evidence for the need to both kill the filibuster and expand the Court.
For all the power that Mancin and Senima are enjoying now… if they do nothing they will soon have none… if they’re even in the Senate
