Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema

[Meathead]

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

It is not a "democratic" agenda idiot. It is a Democrat agenda designed to make a one-party state out of 50 of 100 senators.

Thank God there are still a few sane Democrats.

 

[occupied]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

It seems it’s less about “Thwarting the democratic agenda” and more about keeping the Democrats from falling off the left edge of the planet again.

He represents the center of the Democrat party, if they’re smart they’ll listen to him and work towards compromise, if not they’ll likely get nothing accomplished except firing up the GOP base and getting their asses handed to them in 2022.

There is no compromise with the republicans. The only reason they even come to the bargaining table is to waste valuable time haggling over legislation they will never vote for no matter what.

Er.. um… compromise is a TWO WAY STREET and capitulation isn’t on it. Manchin appears to at least understand that, it’s too bad the extremes in both parties don’t.

The Democrats DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, they won one election, if they want to win a second one they had better learn to start listening to Manchin and start negotiating in good faith to figure out deal points that will be acceptable to most voters. I haven’t seen them doing much of that, they seem to think that most people see things exactly the same way as they do.

Granted the Republicans aren’t doing much good faith negotiation either but the fact of the matter is the Democrats aren’t giving them many reasons to do so.

Our current crop of republicans are the most ruthless cutthroat back-stabbing bastards that ever held office in this country. They are absolutely counting on democrats to play nice and seek compromise.

The “current crop of republicans” may be as you characterize them to be, that’s of course a subjective evaluation. I suspect though that what they’re counting on is that the Democrats WON’T seek compromise in good faith and thus give them a good excuse to dig in their heels and claim that the Democrats are ineffective and extremists that are incapable of governing.

Same script that happens every election cycle, the crime family in power does the “take it or leave it” act and those in the minority respond accordingly, leading to the pendulum of power swinging back in the other direction.

It’s the same exact behaviour that the Democrats displayed during the Trump Regime when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress.

You're acting like democrats can offer the republicans something they value more than a defeat.

 

[kyzr]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very

welcome as a Republican.

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very welcome as a Republican.

In 2016 WV voted for Trump (R), Justice (governor) (D) and elected Manchin (D) in 2018.

Governor Justice switched parties during a Trump rally.
Manchin should also switch. WV has nothing in common with today's democrats, zero, nada, zilch, zippo...

 

[GMCGeneral]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

Good! because the only thing DemocRATs have to offer is permanent one party far Left rule. No thank you.

 

[pknopp]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very

welcome as a Republican.

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very welcome as a Republican.

In 2016 WV voted for Trump (R), Justice (governor) (D) and elected Manchin (D) in 2018.

Governor Justice switched parties during a Trump rally.
Manchin should also switch. WV has nothing in common with today's democrats, zero, nada, zilch, zippo...

He did but Manchin was still elected in 2018. WV is not red in a way generally described. Joe isn't switching BUT he could decide to run for governor again and leave the office open.

 

[kyzr]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very

welcome as a Republican.

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

Why would he do that? Switching would make him only another useless republican that doesn't do anything for anyone. Right now he gets a place at every bargaining table unwarranted for such a mediocre politician.

Why should Manchin switch to the GOP?
Because his WV voters only went 28% for Biden.
That is 72% for Trump.
Because WV is one of the reddest states, so why is Joe still a democrat?
Very true Joe has tremendous power now being the deciding vote, but if the democrats push him out, he would be very welcome as a Republican.

In 2016 WV voted for Trump (R), Justice (governor) (D) and elected Manchin (D) in 2018.

Governor Justice switched parties during a Trump rally.
Manchin should also switch. WV has nothing in common with today's democrats, zero, nada, zilch, zippo...

He did but Manchin was still elected in 2018. WV is not red in a way generally described. Joe isn't switching BUT he could decide to run for governor again and leave the office open.

That would be a good idea, have Manchin run for governor. But its up in 2024, so that would be too late to help. The 2022 House election should swing to the GOP. We need Manchin to switch now, not in 2024.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

 

[kyzr]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

When Manchin switches we'd canonize him, not call him a RINO. St. Manchin the patron saint of good senators.

 

[NightFox]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

It seems it’s less about “Thwarting the democratic agenda” and more about keeping the Democrats from falling off the left edge of the planet again.

He represents the center of the Democrat party, if they’re smart they’ll listen to him and work towards compromise, if not they’ll likely get nothing accomplished except firing up the GOP base and getting their asses handed to them in 2022.

There is no compromise with the republicans. The only reason they even come to the bargaining table is to waste valuable time haggling over legislation they will never vote for no matter what.

Er.. um… compromise is a TWO WAY STREET and capitulation isn’t on it. Manchin appears to at least understand that, it’s too bad the extremes in both parties don’t.

The Democrats DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, they won one election, if they want to win a second one they had better learn to start listening to Manchin and start negotiating in good faith to figure out deal points that will be acceptable to most voters. I haven’t seen them doing much of that, they seem to think that most people see things exactly the same way as they do.

Granted the Republicans aren’t doing much good faith negotiation either but the fact of the matter is the Democrats aren’t giving them many reasons to do so.

Our current crop of republicans are the most ruthless cutthroat back-stabbing bastards that ever held office in this country. They are absolutely counting on democrats to play nice and seek compromise.

The “current crop of republicans” may be as you characterize them to be, that’s of course a subjective evaluation. I suspect though that what they’re counting on is that the Democrats WON’T seek compromise in good faith and thus give them a good excuse to dig in their heels and claim that the Democrats are ineffective and extremists that are incapable of governing.

Same script that happens every election cycle, the crime family in power does the “take it or leave it” act and those in the minority respond accordingly, leading to the pendulum of power swinging back in the other direction.

It’s the same exact behaviour that the Democrats displayed during the Trump Regime when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress.

You're acting like democrats can offer the republicans something they value more than a defeat.

They can it’s there job since it’s incumbent upon the party in power to find a way to get their “agenda” enacted, it’s the minority’s job to try and stop them while at the same to representing the views of their constituents.

The ball is in the Democrats court, that’s why people gave them the power, can they figure out how to use it or will they just whine about how the minority isn’t conceding to their demands? After all, the minority still represents the will of 10’s of millions of American voters, they’re not expected to roll over just because the majority represents the will of a few million more.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

Gridlock is the only answer. Prog plans run in contrast to this nation and correlate better with socialist and communist dumps. No thanks. Keep that sewage away.

 

[NightFox]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

When Manchin switches we'd canonize him, not call him a RINO. St. Manchin the patron saint of good senators.

Naw, the Republicans would just demonize him for voting with the Democrats when his opinion aligned with whatever they propose. I suspect Joe would quickly become king of the RINO’s in short order since a lot of his stated views are way outside what much of the republican base consider “acceptable”.

 

[kyzr]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

When Manchin switches we'd canonize him, not call him a RINO. St. Manchin the patron saint of good senators.

Naw, the Republicans would just demonize him for voting with the Democrats when his opinion aligned with whatever they propose. I suspect Joe would quickly become king of the RINO’s in short order since a lot of his stated views are way outside what much of the republican base consider “acceptable”.

I like Manchin's views on taxation. He seems to be fiscally responsible as opposed to BOTH party's being irresponsible.
We need more senators in the center to stop bad legislation, but to pass legislation that is good for the country. We have too many party-liners, then again, gridlock is always a good option.

 

[occupied]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

It seems it’s less about “Thwarting the democratic agenda” and more about keeping the Democrats from falling off the left edge of the planet again.

He represents the center of the Democrat party, if they’re smart they’ll listen to him and work towards compromise, if not they’ll likely get nothing accomplished except firing up the GOP base and getting their asses handed to them in 2022.

There is no compromise with the republicans. The only reason they even come to the bargaining table is to waste valuable time haggling over legislation they will never vote for no matter what.

Er.. um… compromise is a TWO WAY STREET and capitulation isn’t on it. Manchin appears to at least understand that, it’s too bad the extremes in both parties don’t.

The Democrats DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, they won one election, if they want to win a second one they had better learn to start listening to Manchin and start negotiating in good faith to figure out deal points that will be acceptable to most voters. I haven’t seen them doing much of that, they seem to think that most people see things exactly the same way as they do.

Granted the Republicans aren’t doing much good faith negotiation either but the fact of the matter is the Democrats aren’t giving them many reasons to do so.

Our current crop of republicans are the most ruthless cutthroat back-stabbing bastards that ever held office in this country. They are absolutely counting on democrats to play nice and seek compromise.

The “current crop of republicans” may be as you characterize them to be, that’s of course a subjective evaluation. I suspect though that what they’re counting on is that the Democrats WON’T seek compromise in good faith and thus give them a good excuse to dig in their heels and claim that the Democrats are ineffective and extremists that are incapable of governing.

Same script that happens every election cycle, the crime family in power does the “take it or leave it” act and those in the minority respond accordingly, leading to the pendulum of power swinging back in the other direction.

It’s the same exact behaviour that the Democrats displayed during the Trump Regime when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress.

You're acting like democrats can offer the republicans something they value more than a defeat.

They can it’s there job since it’s incumbent upon the party in power to find a way to get their “agenda” enacted, it’s the minority’s job to try and stop them while at the same to representing the views of their constituents.

The ball is in the Democrats court, that’s why people gave them the power, can they figure out how to use it or will they just whine about how the minority isn’t conceding to their demands? After all, the minority still represents the will of 10’s of millions of American voters, they’re not expected to roll over just because the majority represents the will of a few million more.

If whining is weakness and being ruthless is out of bounds it seems there is no acceptable way for democrats to counter a bunch that sees insurrection as a legitimate political tactic.

 

[NightFox]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

It seems it’s less about “Thwarting the democratic agenda” and more about keeping the Democrats from falling off the left edge of the planet again.

He represents the center of the Democrat party, if they’re smart they’ll listen to him and work towards compromise, if not they’ll likely get nothing accomplished except firing up the GOP base and getting their asses handed to them in 2022.

There is no compromise with the republicans. The only reason they even come to the bargaining table is to waste valuable time haggling over legislation they will never vote for no matter what.

Er.. um… compromise is a TWO WAY STREET and capitulation isn’t on it. Manchin appears to at least understand that, it’s too bad the extremes in both parties don’t.

The Democrats DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, they won one election, if they want to win a second one they had better learn to start listening to Manchin and start negotiating in good faith to figure out deal points that will be acceptable to most voters. I haven’t seen them doing much of that, they seem to think that most people see things exactly the same way as they do.

Granted the Republicans aren’t doing much good faith negotiation either but the fact of the matter is the Democrats aren’t giving them many reasons to do so.

Our current crop of republicans are the most ruthless cutthroat back-stabbing bastards that ever held office in this country. They are absolutely counting on democrats to play nice and seek compromise.

The “current crop of republicans” may be as you characterize them to be, that’s of course a subjective evaluation. I suspect though that what they’re counting on is that the Democrats WON’T seek compromise in good faith and thus give them a good excuse to dig in their heels and claim that the Democrats are ineffective and extremists that are incapable of governing.

Same script that happens every election cycle, the crime family in power does the “take it or leave it” act and those in the minority respond accordingly, leading to the pendulum of power swinging back in the other direction.

It’s the same exact behaviour that the Democrats displayed during the Trump Regime when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress.

You're acting like democrats can offer the republicans something they value more than a defeat.

They can it’s there job since it’s incumbent upon the party in power to find a way to get their “agenda” enacted, it’s the minority’s job to try and stop them while at the same to representing the views of their constituents.

The ball is in the Democrats court, that’s why people gave them the power, can they figure out how to use it or will they just whine about how the minority isn’t conceding to their demands? After all, the minority still represents the will of 10’s of millions of American voters, they’re not expected to roll over just because the majority represents the will of a few million more.

If whining is weakness and being ruthless is out of bounds it seems there is no acceptable way for democrats to counter a bunch that sees insurrection as a legitimate political tactic.

So if I’m understanding your point of view correctly, the only two alternatives for the governing party are weakness or ruthlessness? Seems to completely discount the “middle way” approach endorsed (and sometimes used effectively) by past Presidents.

Well that certainly explains why our current political system is in complete disarray and why neither party can be seen as anything close to competent when it comes to governing.

 

[NightFox]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

When Manchin switches we'd canonize him, not call him a RINO. St. Manchin the patron saint of good senators.

Naw, the Republicans would just demonize him for voting with the Democrats when his opinion aligned with whatever they propose. I suspect Joe would quickly become king of the RINO’s in short order since a lot of his stated views are way outside what much of the republican base consider “acceptable”.

I like Manchin's views on taxation. He seems to be fiscally responsible as opposed to BOTH party's being irresponsible.
We need more senators in the center to stop bad legislation, but to pass legislation that is good for the country. We have too many party-liners, then again, gridlock is always a good option.

Well said kyzr .

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Why would you characterize him as a “Republican”? if anything he’s one of the few Democrat Senators that’s trying to keep the Democrats from shooting themselves in the head.

Thwarting the democratic agenda and making the senate unable to pass anything big only serves the republicans and no one else.

Or, consider not trying to pass asshole crazy bullshit that normal people can support.

 

[22lcidw]

Manchin is the most powerful republican in the senate right now.

Lets hope you are correct and Joe switches parties soon, to better represent his state.

And when he does you morons will label him a RINO....

Makes no difference what party he belongs too, he's still a congressional criminal like the rest of them.

What he is, would be a slow down of agendas that move us more and more left even though both parties push more and more authoritarian controls on us. there are men and women who believe in freedoms but they are overshadowed, muted, mocked and more.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Chuck Schumer is totally ruthless and dishonest.

 

[Darkwind]

Progressives need only ask themselves this:

If the Republicans win back the Senate next year, will they still support the removal of the Fillibuster?

What am I saying? That would require the progressives to do some navel-gazing and be honest with themselves.

 

[Crepitus]

Source: TheHill.COM
Original Story: Progressives want to tighten screws beyond Manchin and Sinema

“Progressives say pressure on Democratic centrists over ending the filibuster needs to move beyond Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema(D-Ariz.).

Manchin and Sinema have earned headlines — and barbs from the grassroots — by putting brakes on filibuster reform and, in Manchin’s case, by opposing sweeping voting rights legislation.
But some on the left see the pair of liberal antagonists as giving cover to other moderates who are in the way, but who have not yet come to the surface with all the attention on the two most visible holdouts.

It seems like there’s definitely a handful of senators who are hiding behind Joe Manchin’s skirts right now,” said Sawyer Hackett, executive director of People First Future, a political action committee started by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. “We can’t afford to just sit back and not turn up the pressure on them.

Potential targets to tighten the screws aren’t hard to spot.

One could be Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who irritated progressives by hugging Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) last year during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, former President Trump’s pick to succeed liberal hero Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”

So, it appears that the Democrat circular firing squad might be starting in earnest, one wonders what the full hit list of Congress Critters-D might look like when all is said and done. The resistance to altering the filibuster by certain Democrat Senators is a boon for Democrats who would undoubtedly regret any changes to it down the road. However it seems that “progressives” still haven’t learned a fundamental lesson that history has been trying to teach them, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WON AN ELECTION DOESN’T MEAN YOUR IDEOLOGY HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, IT DOESN’T, only 24% of Americans self-identify as “liberals”.

It never ceases to amaze how the far left continues to believe that just because the Democrats won an election that it means that they now have a mandate to foist their funky ideas on the entire population. The far left of the Democrat Party is on the path to ONCE AGAIN ensure that the GOP gets back into power sooner rather than later.

It's not a "circular firing squad", it's how things are done. They will try to convert other members to their viewpoint. Concessions will be offered, deals made, that kinda stuff.

We aren't talking about republicans here, you know