Progressives have officially surrendered all grip on reality

[FA_Q2]

More evidence of how progressives have surrendered all grip on reality:

What if a college basketball star, born male, were to claim to be transgender and go out for the WNBA?

Say that I am sentenced to a five-year prison term for bank fraud. Though confinement can never be pleasant, I’d find it far more tolerable if I could convince the judge that though biologically I have XY chromosomes, in my opinion I’m really a woman and thus my confinement should be in a female prison with a female cellmate. For the court to fail to take my sexual opinion into consideration would violate our Constitution’s Eighth Amendment prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, I could say.

When Transgender Rights Move From Bathroom to Basketball

The Olympics have been dealing with this kind of thing for sometime now. Life goes one when rational people think, leaving you out in the cold.

Except they have not. This year marks the first time they have dealt with it at all.

Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics?

The interesting thing here is that they require a medical threshold to be met for the 'average' testosterone for women to compete with other women. Also interesting is that women have no restrictions to compete with men. They base this on scientific research, a noteworthy point.

Transgender rules that remain focused on birth sex though.

Sex assigned at birth. There is no birth sex.

?

What is that supposed to mean?
Are you actually trying to say that you do not have a natural sex at birth? That is rather nonsensical and pointless. There is a sex at birth and it is not 'assigned.' It is biological fact weather or not you want to acknoledge it.

Sex assigned at birth can be wrong. You can't even base it on genetics, it isn't that clear. XY is only usually male, XX only usually female. And intersexed babies are another issue as are all the other variants like XXY, XYY, XXXY, X0, XYYY. What the doctors think doesn't matter in the end. What they do does.

So yes, you are trying to deny verifiable fact. Never mind then - it is not possible to have a viable conversation with someone that wants to demand that the sky is actually pink no matter what the reality is.

 

[Frank'sRules]

The Olympics have been dealing with this kind of thing for sometime now. Life goes one when rational people think, leaving you out in the cold.

Except they have not. This year marks the first time they have dealt with it at all.

Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics?

The interesting thing here is that they require a medical threshold to be met for the 'average' testosterone for women to compete with other women. Also interesting is that women have no restrictions to compete with men. They base this on scientific research, a noteworthy point.

Transgender rules that remain focused on birth sex though.

Sex assigned at birth. There is no birth sex.

?

What is that supposed to mean?
Are you actually trying to say that you do not have a natural sex at birth? That is rather nonsensical and pointless. There is a sex at birth and it is not 'assigned.' It is biological fact weather or not you want to acknoledge it.

Sex assigned at birth can be wrong. You can't even base it on genetics, it isn't that clear. XY is only usually male, XX only usually female. And intersexed babies are another issue as are all the other variants like XXY, XYY, XXXY, X0, XYYY. What the doctors think doesn't matter in the end. What they do does.

So yes, you are trying to deny verifiable fact. Never mind then - it is not possible to have a viable conversation with someone that wants to demand that the sky is actually pink no matter what the reality is.

You were given the science and have rejected it. So be it, live in ignorance.

 

[FA_Q2]

More evidence of how progressives have surrendered all grip on reality:

What if a college basketball star, born male, were to claim to be transgender and go out for the WNBA?

Say that I am sentenced to a five-year prison term for bank fraud. Though confinement can never be pleasant, I’d find it far more tolerable if I could convince the judge that though biologically I have XY chromosomes, in my opinion I’m really a woman and thus my confinement should be in a female prison with a female cellmate. For the court to fail to take my sexual opinion into consideration would violate our Constitution’s Eighth Amendment prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, I could say.

When Transgender Rights Move From Bathroom to Basketball

The Olympics have been dealing with this kind of thing for sometime now. Life goes one when rational people think, leaving you out in the cold.

Except they have not. This year marks the first time they have dealt with it at all.

Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics?

The interesting thing here is that they require a medical threshold to be met for the 'average' testosterone for women to compete with other women. Also interesting is that women have no restrictions to compete with men. They base this on scientific research, a noteworthy point.

Transgender rules that remain focused on birth sex though.

Sex assigned at birth. There is no birth sex.

?

What is that supposed to mean?
Are you actually trying to say that you do not have a natural sex at birth? That is rather nonsensical and pointless. There is a sex at birth and it is not 'assigned.' It is biological fact weather or not you want to acknoledge it.

Then there's the brain...

Yes, there is. That does not change fact.

You can do whatever you want to your body and live whatever life you want as whatever sex that you want. That has nothing to do with what sex you are at birth or the silly notion that they are arbitrarily 'assigned.'

 

[Frank'sRules]

The Olympics have been dealing with this kind of thing for sometime now. Life goes one when rational people think, leaving you out in the cold.

Except they have not. This year marks the first time they have dealt with it at all.

Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics?

The interesting thing here is that they require a medical threshold to be met for the 'average' testosterone for women to compete with other women. Also interesting is that women have no restrictions to compete with men. They base this on scientific research, a noteworthy point.

Transgender rules that remain focused on birth sex though.

Sex assigned at birth. There is no birth sex.

?

What is that supposed to mean?
Are you actually trying to say that you do not have a natural sex at birth? That is rather nonsensical and pointless. There is a sex at birth and it is not 'assigned.' It is biological fact weather or not you want to acknoledge it.

Then there's the brain...

Yes, there is. That does not change fact.

You can do whatever you want to your body and live whatever life you want as whatever sex that you want. That has nothing to do with what sex you are at birth or the silly notion that they are arbitrarily 'assigned.'

Most are obvious and match, but all are assigned a sex by others. If I told you a person was XY there's a good chance they are male, but not always. Some are assigned as female. The same with XX only reversed.

 

[P@triot]

More evidence of how progressives have surrendered all grip on reality:

What if a college basketball star, born male, were to claim to be transgender and go out for the WNBA?

Say that I am sentenced to a five-year prison term for bank fraud. Though confinement can never be pleasant, I’d find it far more tolerable if I could convince the judge that though biologically I have XY chromosomes, in my opinion I’m really a woman and thus my confinement should be in a female prison with a female cellmate. For the court to fail to take my sexual opinion into consideration would violate our Constitution’s Eighth Amendment prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, I could say.

When Transgender Rights Move From Bathroom to Basketball

The Olympics have been dealing with this kind of thing for sometime now. Life goes one when rational people think, leaving you out in the cold.

Exactly....life goes on when rational people think. Something progressives stopped doing over one hundred years ago. You people are irrational, emotional buffoons. You think it's ok for men to declare themselves woman and then dominate women's sports? Really? You really think that is fair? Idiot.

 

[P@triot]

Most are obvious and match, but all are assigned a sex by others. If I told you a person was XY there's a good chance they are male, but not always. Some are assigned as female. The same with XX only reversed.

Bwahahahaha! Irrational, emotional progressives ignoring science yet again in favor of feelings. Dude - science has unequivocally proven that XY chromosomes = male and XX chromosomes = female. There is no "reversing" that.

 

[P@triot]

Typical progressive fascist here. Nobody should be allowed to be elected by the people unless that person believes exactly what an ignorant and uninformed actor believes...

Leonardo DiCaprio: Climate change deniers ‘should not be allowed to hold public office’

 

[JimBowie1958]

I totally agree with the OP except in regard to the use of the term "Progressives" as opposed tot he notion of "Progressivism".

We were all taught to "leave the camp better than you found it" in Boy Scouts, and that is the essence of what Progressivism is; leaving the nation better than you found it, which disqualifies most Progressives today from actually being "Progressive" like say Teddy Roosevelt was or FDR or JFK or Truman, etc.

What people are calling Progressive today is actually just plain old Marxism, and that is because Marxists know that they cannot win over the general public if they are honest about who and what they are. So they pretend to be liberals or Progressives in order to avoid association with every other Marxist state that ever existed from the Jacobins Reign of Terror to Lenin's Russia to Pol Pots Cambodia.

The liberals of today are the same ideologically as the people who stuffed the ovens at Buchenwald or rounded up prisoners to send to the Gulags; Socialists of the Marxist stripe.

There is nothing "Progessive" about any of that, nor of Obama supporters who admire these past leaders so much they even decorate their Christmas trees with them and posters of them in their homes many times.

 

[Dr Grump]

Only idiot here would claim that the progressive rebranding of "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" is a "conspiracy theory"

Or that the polar ice-cap expanding over 60% (some 900,000 sq miles) after idiot progressives predicted it would be completely melted is a "conspiracy theory"

Or that the infamous rounds of "Climate Gate" were "conspiracy theories"

Watching you meltdown and run from facts after you get owned is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as you calling someone a "no nothing"

I'm not melting down about anything. I'm calling your conspiracy theory about climate change, kookie. And it is.

 

[P@triot]

Only idiot here would claim that the progressive rebranding of "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" is a "conspiracy theory"

Or that the polar ice-cap expanding over 60% (some 900,000 sq miles) after idiot progressives predicted it would be completely melted is a "conspiracy theory"

Or that the infamous rounds of "Climate Gate" were "conspiracy theories"

Watching you meltdown and run from facts after you get owned is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as you calling someone a "no nothing"

I'm not melting down about anything. I'm calling your conspiracy theory about climate change, kookie. And it is.

You're the only one with a "conspiracy theory" chief. You have this wild conspiracy theory that man is destroying the earth. Science has already disproven that. The polar ice-cap expanded 60% (over 900,000 sq miles) by mid-2014 when progressives claimed it would be completely gone by the start of 2014. Oops....

 

[P@triot]

I totally agree with the OP except in regard to the use of the term "Progressives" as opposed tot he notion of "Progressivism".

We were all taught to "leave the camp better than you found it" in Boy Scouts, and that is the essence of what Progressivism is; leaving the nation better than you found it, which disqualifies most Progressives today from actually being "Progressive" like say Teddy Roosevelt was or FDR or JFK or Truman, etc.

What people are calling Progressive today is actually just plain old Marxism, and that is because Marxists know that they cannot win over the general public if they are honest about who and what they are. So they pretend to be liberals or Progressives in order to avoid association with every other Marxist state that ever existed from the Jacobins Reign of Terror to Lenin's Russia to Pol Pots Cambodia.

The liberals of today are the same ideologically as the people who stuffed the ovens at Buchenwald or rounded up prisoners to send to the Gulags; Socialists of the Marxist stripe.

There is nothing "Progessive" about any of that, nor of Obama supporters who admire these past leaders so much they even decorate their Christmas trees with them and posters of them in their homes many times.

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

By the way - Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, and Truman all left the nation exponentially worse than they found it (especially FDR). Shredding the U.S. Constitution, consolidating power into Washington D.C., and then further into one man in Washington D.C. (who just happens to sit in the Oval Office) is not leaving the country better off than they found it. At all.

 

[JimBowie1958]

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

By the way - Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, and Truman all left the nation exponentially worse than they found it (especially FDR). Shredding the U.S. Constitution, consolidating power into Washington D.C., and then further into one man in Washington D.C. (who just happens to sit in the Oval Office) is not leaving the country better off than they found it. At all.

So the year that FDR took office with the Great Depression in full swing was better than the year he left office with us winning the war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and our employment at nearly 100%?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, bro.

 

[Pogo]

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

You're simply sticking a label you can't begin to understand or define (as evidenced by the way you run and hide every time I challenge you to define it) on anything that moves. Which (again) makes you a fucking moron.

 

[Pogo]

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

By the way - Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, and Truman all left the nation exponentially worse than they found it (especially FDR). Shredding the U.S. Constitution, consolidating power into Washington D.C., and then further into one man in Washington D.C. (who just happens to sit in the Oval Office) is not leaving the country better off than they found it. At all.

So the year that FDR took office with the Great Depression in full swing was better than the year he left office with us winning the war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and our employment at nearly 100%?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, bro.

He's heavily drinking the Doublethink. Buttsoiler's got another thread trying to equate all this catch-all "Progressivism" shit with fascism --- the very thing FDR fought off in WWII.

"Ignorance is Strength"

 

[Dr Grump]

You're the only one with a "conspiracy theory" chief. You have this wild conspiracy theory that man is destroying the earth. Science has already disproven that. The polar ice-cap expanded 60% (over 900,000 sq miles) by mid-2014 when progressives claimed it would be completely gone by the start of 2014. Oops....

I'm not going into it again, because I've done so many times over the past few years. Bluntly? You're full of shit and don't have a clue. Yeah, there's this massive conspiracy theory. Do you know how hard it is for even a couple of people to keep a conspiracy let alone the 100s if not 1000s of people that would need to keep stum in order for your delusion to be true?

 

[P@triot]

You're the only one with a "conspiracy theory" chief. You have this wild conspiracy theory that man is destroying the earth. Science has already disproven that. The polar ice-cap expanded 60% (over 900,000 sq miles) by mid-2014 when progressives claimed it would be completely gone by the start of 2014. Oops....

I'm not going into it again, because I've done so many times over the past few years. Bluntly? You're full of shit and don't have a clue. Yeah, there's this massive conspiracy theory. Do you know how hard it is for even a couple of people to keep a conspiracy let alone the 100s if not 1000s of people that would need to keep stum in order for your delusion to be true?

You're right....it is impossible. And that's exactly why they got caught talking about how they lied in their "research" in Climate Gate #1 and Climate Gate #2.

No matter how many times you deny reality, it doesn't stop it from being reality. The polar ice cap is there whether you close your eyes or not cupcake.

 

[P@triot]

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

By the way - Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, and Truman all left the nation exponentially worse than they found it (especially FDR). Shredding the U.S. Constitution, consolidating power into Washington D.C., and then further into one man in Washington D.C. (who just happens to sit in the Oval Office) is not leaving the country better off than they found it. At all.

So the year that FDR took office with the Great Depression in full swing was better than the year he left office with us winning the war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and our employment at nearly 100%?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, bro.

So in your mind war is a great thing because it freed up jobs while people either died or were overseas serving?

And I'll take a nation of liberty with 50% unemployment over a communist nation with 0% unemployment any day. There wasn't any unemployment in the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin either but anyone who survived it will tell you that it was complete and total misery. Similar to what FDR gave us.

By the way - even very liberal UCLA said that FDR's policies extended the Great Depression nearly a decade:

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Misguided government policies prolonged Great Depression

If their research isn't enough for you - maybe you'll take the word of Henry Morgenthau Jr. He was FDR's Secretary of Treasury and a key architect behind the Raw Deal (er....uh....I mean the New Deal). He also said that the economic policies employed by the FDR Administration prolonged the Great Depression:

Get Over It: New Deal Didn't Do the Job

 

[JimBowie1958]

That's not true. They are progressives. Being a marxist is not mutually exclusive from being a progressive. You can be both. In fact, in almost all cases, they are both.

By the way - Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, and Truman all left the nation exponentially worse than they found it (especially FDR). Shredding the U.S. Constitution, consolidating power into Washington D.C., and then further into one man in Washington D.C. (who just happens to sit in the Oval Office) is not leaving the country better off than they found it. At all.

So the year that FDR took office with the Great Depression in full swing was better than the year he left office with us winning the war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and our employment at nearly 100%?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, bro.

So in your mind war is a great thing because it freed up jobs while people either died or were overseas serving?

And I'll take a nation of liberty with 50% unemployment over a communist nation with 0% unemployment any day. There wasn't any unemployment in the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin either but anyone who survived it will tell you that it was complete and total misery. Similar to what FDR gave us.

By the way - even very liberal UCLA said that FDR's policies extended the Great Depression nearly a decade:

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Misguided government policies prolonged Great Depression

If their research isn't enough for you - maybe you'll take the word of Henry Morgenthau Jr. He was FDR's Secretary of Treasury and a key architect behind the Raw Deal (er....uh....I mean the New Deal). He also said that the economic policies employed by the FDR Administration prolonged the Great Depression:

Get Over It: New Deal Didn't Do the Job

1. a "50% unemployment over a communist nation with 0% unemployment any day. " is a false dichotomy

2. FDR strengthened our nations work force and economy PRIOR to WW2, not because of it.

3. FDR did not prolong the Great Depression. It was well over by 1937 and we had a recession just prior to WW2.

The Strange Ups and Downs of the U.S. Economy Since 1929

We hit higher rates of employment during the war, of course, but by FDRs end of first term the economy was recovering.

 

[P@triot]

Bwahahahahah! Another idiot hypocrite progressive who fought to outlaw guns and is now surrounding herself with them after being scared shitless as a victim of crime...

Gun Control Advocate Kim Kardashian Ups Security after Robbery

 

[JoeNormal]

yep, people like the op wants to do away with any regulations on food, water, air, environment or investment into this country. Somehow he thinks other people have lost their grip on reality? If your idea of America looks a little like the poor side of town in India or parts of Africa...Well, you're talking about yourself.

I have no problem with them doing that...in Red states.

I live in a red state and I'm thankful every day that there is a Federal Government. It's scary to think what the pin heads in this state would do without it. Fricken ship of fools...