pro or contra Israel today?

[Kondor3]

Europe doesn't care for the Zionists that much. If anything, the "Ukraine precedent' would obligate them to take the side of the Palestinians.

Yeah... sure... that's why the Brandenburg Gate and the French Foreign Ministry buildings are illuminated with Israeli flags at night now.

If the Zionist try to ethnically cleanse 5 million people, it won't "blow over in a few years".

Sure it will. Nobody outside of elements of the Islamic world gives two $hits about the Palestinians. Arabs don't want to take 'em in.

If you need to tell yourself that to feel better about yourself, go ahead. I'm sure the Hall monitor at Dachau try to tell himself the same thing.

Emotional hyperbole. Prove to us that the Palestinians are a "people" and not a conglomeration of tribal factions recently transplanted.

Again, ethnically cleansing 5 million people would be an outrage the world wouldn't stand for.

Future events will prove which of us was correct on that score. Most of the world really doesn't give two $hits about the Palis.

More likely, the Zionists will do what they always do... they'll overreach. Just like they did after 9/11 and AIPAC used that get us to take out Saddam.

We're about to learn whether you are right... I suspect that this time around the Israelis will slaughter Hamas wholesale.

Uh, no, either one would be a complete atrocity. I suspect even decent minded Jews in Israel will object, especially when they start discussing how Bibi missed this to start with.

We are all the descendants of people who did some very nasty things to survive. This may end-up being one of those.

Any minute now. This has been going on for 70 years. But any minute now, they are going to "win". I know you really need to believe that.

The West routinely pressures the Israelis to restrain themselves. This time Hamas has gone too far, and, I suspect, this will be different.

Actually, the Palestinians have already gotten what they want. The Saudis certainly won't go forward with the peace deal with the Zionist Entity.

That's fine... they got what they want... and now the Israelis are going to produce the price-tag for all of that... enjoy.

 

[watchingfromafar]

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2017.

Fourteen Palestinian boys and girls under the age of 18 were shot dead by Israeli occupation forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip during the year.
There were 21 fewer children killed than in 2016, which was the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the occupied West Bank in the past decade.

In addition to those 14 shot and killed during 2017, a child died of wounds sustained in an Israeli drone strike years earlier.

Another was killed by Israeli ordnance while grazing livestock. A baby living in temporary shelter, his family homeless as a result of Israeli bombing, died of cold exposure.

Palestinian children also died because they were unable to secure permits to leave via the Israeli-controlled Erez checkpoint for medical treatment unavailable in the besieged Gaza Strip.

Emergency room doctors were unable to resuscitate a seriously ill 9-year-old girl in the West Bank after Israeli soldiers denied her family passage at a checkpoint; a trip that normally would take 15 minutes took her family 90 minutes after they were forced to detour and go through a different checkpoint.

No Israeli children were killed by Palestinians during the year. An Israeli woman wounded during a bus stop bombing in 2011, when she was 14, and who had never regained consciousness, died of her injures in 2017.
These are the Palestinian children Israel killed in 2017

Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms

22 April 2018
An Israeli general has confirmed that when snipers stationed along Israel’s boundary with Gaza shoot at children, they are doing so deliberately, under clear and specific orders.

In a radio interview, Brigadier-General (Reserve) Zvika Fogel describes how a sniper identifies the “small body” of a child and is given authorization to shoot.

Fogel’s statements could be used as evidence of intent if Israeli leaders are ever tried for war crimes at the International Criminal Court.

On Friday, an Israeli sniper shot dead 14-year-old Muhammad Ibrahim Ayyoub.

The boy, shot in the head east of Jabaliya, was the fourth child among the more than 30 Palestinians killed during the Great March of Return rallies that began in Gaza on 30 March.

More than 1,600 other Palestinians have been shot with live ammunition that has caused what doctors are calling “horrific injuries” likely to leave many of them with permanent disabilities.

Our initial investigation confirms Israeli forces killed 14-year-old Mahmoud Ibrahim Ayoub in Gaza today around 4:30 pm local time. He sustained a gunshot wound to the head & was later pronounced dead at Shifa hospital. #GazaReturnMarch pic.twitter.com/CwJn8xqhPf

Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms

UN envoy tells ‘outrageous’ Israel to stop shooting children in Gaza

20 April 2018, 10:57 pm
Palestinians say four killed, including a 15-year-old boy; Israel urges UN to condemn Hamas for ‘despicable exploitation of women and children’

The United Nations envoy to the region on Friday slammed Israel’s response to the Gaza protests as “outrageous” and called on the IDF to stop shooting children after four Palestinians, including a 15-year-old boy, were killed during clashes along the Gaza border fence.

“It is OUTRAGEOUS to shoot at children!” tweeted UN Middle East peace envoy Nickolay Mladenov.

“How does the killing of a child in #Gaza today help #peace? It doesn’t! It fuels anger and breeds more killing. #Children must be protected from #violence, not exposed to it, not killed! This tragic incident must be investigated,” he wrote.
UN envoy tells ‘outrageous’ Israel to stop shooting children in Gaza

Israeli security forces 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months, UNICEF says

Posted 14 May 2016, 2:52pm
Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of violence, the United Nations' children's agency says.
Israel killed 25 Palestinian children in three months, UNICEF says

Murdering children is NOT God's way, now or ever
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[JoeB131]

Yeah... sure... that's why the Brandenburg Gate and the French Foreign Ministry buildings are illuminated with Israeli flags at night now.

Again, good will evaporates the minute they start slaughtering women and children... and they will.

Sure it will. Nobody outside of elements of the Islamic world gives two $hits about the Palestinians. Arabs don't want to take 'em in.

Then why are you freaking out?

Emotional hyperbole. Prove to us that the Palestinians are a "people" and not a conglomeration of tribal factions recently transplanted.

Census data from Ottoman and British Sources. Before 1948, Muslims were the majority in Palestine.

Future events will prove which of us was correct on that score. Most of the world really doesn't give two $hits about the Palis.

You keep telling yourself that.

We're about to learn whether you are right... I suspect that this time around the Israelis will slaughter Hamas wholesale.

They'll try and fail.
Just like we failed to destroy the Viet Cong after 8 years of war.

 

[Kondor3]

Again, good will evaporates the minute they start slaughtering women and children... and they will.

Which is exactly what Hamas did on a large scale... but Hamas singled them out for cruel execution...

Then why are you freaking out?

Census data from Ottoman and British Sources. Before 1948, Muslims were the majority in Palestine.

You keep telling yourself that.

The point in contention is not whether Muslim-Arabs outnumbered Jewish settlers nor who was there first...

The point in contention is the composite nature of the then-residents of Palestine... a conglomeration of tribes, not a homogenous people.

They'll try and fail. Just like we failed to destroy the Viet Cong after 8 years of war.

Except that the Vietnamese had ball$... the chicken$hit cowards of Hamas don't have that kind of courage nor unity...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

America cannot support Israel because Israel opposes American freedom in the region. It participated in the suppression of Nasser's Liberation Revolution.

It is possible that the Israeli leadership was involved in the September 11 terrorist attack, since they opposed Iran, and Iran fought against Hussein

Just say "No" to drugs!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One Man's Terrorist is Another Man's Freedom Fighter.

When Osama Bin Laden was killing Russians in Afghanistan, Ronald Reagan called him a "Freedom Fighter". Those dirty stinking Commies might teach girls how to read or something.

When he turned about and started blowing up Americans, the guy became a "terrorist".

Link?

Reagan had no idea who Osama was!

 

[rupol2000]

Just say "No" to drugs!

Fagots and drunks like you have destroyed all drug trafficking, now instead of drugs there is only chemical shit.

 

[rupol2000]

ne Man's Terrorist is Another Man's Freedom Fighter.

When Osama Bin Laden was killing Russians in Afghanistan, Ronald Reagan called him a "Freedom Fighter".

Damn, it wasn't Bin Laden, it was Shah Massoud, you ******* autists.

Hamas are freedom fighters, they fight against the Baath Nazis

 

[watchingfromafar]

Hamas are freedom fighters, they fight against the Baath Nazis

Oh so true, Oh so true, Oh so true, Oh so true, Oh so true, Oh so true
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[rupol2000]

was killing Russians in Afghanistan

What were the Russians doing in Afghanistan, idiot? Is this also their homeland, like Palestine for the Jews?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again, good will evaporates the minute they start slaughtering women and children... and they will.


Then why are you freaking out?

Census data from Ottoman and British Sources. Before 1948, Muslims were the majority in Palestine.

You keep telling yourself that.



They'll try and fail.
Just like we failed to destroy the Viet Cong after 8 years of war.

then why doesn't good will evaporate when Hamas kills women and children?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again, good will evaporates the minute they start slaughtering women and children... and they will.


Then why are you freaking out?

Census data from Ottoman and British Sources. Before 1948, Muslims were the majority in Palestine.

You keep telling yourself that.



They'll try and fail.
Just like we failed to destroy the Viet Cong after 8 years of war.

we beat North Vietnam and the democrats pissed it away.

 

[JoeB131]

Which is exactly what Hamas did on a large scale... but Hamas singled them out for cruel execution...

You mean after years of the IDF singling out Palestinians for execution?

The point in contention is not whether Muslim-Arabs outnumbered Jewish settlers nor who was there first...

The point in contention is the composite nature of the then-residents of Palestine... a conglomeration of tribes, not a homogenous people.

Nope, you are trying to come up with a definition to rationalize what the Zionist Squatters did being okay.

Except that the Vietnamese had ball$... the chicken$hit cowards of Hamas don't have that kind of courage nor unity...

Read about Hue during the Tet Offensive. The Vietcong did exactly that kind of thing, and even though they were drubbed in the counter attack, Tet was seen as the beginning of the end for US involvement in Vietnam.

 

[JoeB131]

we beat North Vietnam and the democrats pissed it away.

Um, no, Nixon did that at the Paris Conference, where he knew damned well he was selling the Saigon Quislings under the bus.

 

[JoeB131]

Link?

Reagan had no idea who Osama was!

You miss the point. It was not knowing who Osama was personally. It was the CIA deliberately recruiting Arabs to fight in Afghanistan because the CIA didn't have people versed in Pushtan or Tajik or Uzbek or Urdu.

So we encouraged thousands of young Arab men to fight the "Jihad" in Afghanistan, and were totally surprised when they formed Al Qaeda and went after the west.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You mean after years of the IDF singling out Palestinians for execution?



Nope, you are trying to come up with a definition to rationalize what the Zionist Squatters did being okay.



Read about Hue during the Tet Offensive. The Vietcong did exactly that kind of thing, and even though they were drubbed in the counter attack, Tet was seen as the beginning of the end for US involvement in Vietnam.

Tet was in 1968. The war ended in 1975. How would your statement ever be considered to be true?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You miss the point. It was not knowing who Osama was personally. It was the CIA deliberately recruiting Arabs to fight in Afghanistan because the CIA didn't have people versed in Pushtan or Tajik or Uzbek or Urdu.

So we encouraged thousands of young Arab men to fight the "Jihad" in Afghanistan, and were totally surprised when they formed Al Qaeda and went after the west.

How can you be so wrong on a topic? The Northern Alliance was not Al Qaeda in the making, dumbass!

Besides, dumbass, Afghans are NOT Arabs!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Well, since no one wants peace with the Zionist Entity, that's just as well.

Israel is at peace with Jordan, Egypt, SA, the Gulf States, Iraq, Turkey, even the non Hezbullah portions of Lebanon. Iran and the Syrian client state are exceptions.

This is a regional conflict between Persia (Iran) and Turkish/Egypt/Arab powers - whatever it calls itself that particular century.

 

[Kondor3]

The time for "talk" is over.

Now is a time for war... bloody war... existential war... war to the hilt... no prisoners... no mercy.

And we will back Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

Tet was in 1968. The war ended in 1975. How would your statement ever be considered to be true?

Are you retarded? Do you have a learning disability we should know about?

After Tet, Conckrite got on TV and said the government was lying to us. After Tet, no one was going along with the draft anymore, demonstrations sprouted up across the country, and politicians on both sides focused on how to extricate themselves from the Quagmire.

Tet accomplished nothing tactically, but strategically, it was the beginning of the end of American involvement.

How can you be so wrong on a topic? The Northern Alliance was not Al Qaeda in the making, dumbass!

Besides, dumbass, Afghans are NOT Arabs!

No, but Al Qaeda WERE Arabs. Osama was an Arab. Zawahiri was an Arab. Khalid Sheik Mohammed is an Arab.