"Pro life" is not a conservative position.

[Couchpotato]

Thank you. You give more rights to a womans body to the govt and a fetus that cant even survive on its own, than to the woman.
If you cant even own your own body, what rights do you really have?
Leftist bullshit.

Forest for the trees. The baby is a life which you are murdering through an abortion. That's the argument which you clearly don't want to contend with. Which is the greater right?

1, Right to life

or

2, Right to not be inconvenienced.

BTW the Government legislates "bodily autonomy" all the time.

Seatbelts
Draft
Helmet laws
Suicide


Should men be allowed to "opt out" parental responsibility if they don't want to be forced by the Government to support said child?

If the child in the womb isnt a life with rights when does it become a life and get it's rights?

 

[Couchpotato]

No one is confused. We know what you want.

And if it takes claiming sovereignty over a woman's body, if it means claiming the womb as property of the state, so be it!

No.

Yeah I just don't think it should be legal to kill innocent children. I know that makes me akin to Hitler but it's a cross Im willing to bear...

 

[dblack]

Yeah I just don't think it should be legal to kill innocent children.

Well, you have a fucked up definition of "children". And that's on you.

I know that makes me akin to Hitler but it's a cross Im willing to bear...

I know. Fascism IS all the rage these days.

 

[Trickster]

Right. C'mon man. A five day old infant would die within a week if left to it own abilities to survive. It is no different from murdering a viable fetus to relieve the irresponsible from the CHOICE they made to create that life. Murder. LOL, but you keep beating around the evident and contradicting yourself. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

This is so stupid. A 5 day old infant has been born and can live and survive without its biological mother as long as another adult is lookikg after it. It is a separate individual with consciousness, volition and personhood. A ZEF, on the other hand, is physically dependant on the woman carrying it and cannot even breathe independejntly.

"Viability" is another nonsensical termnanti-abortionists like to throw around to make it seem as if their argument is valid. In reality, "viability" is just another reference to mere potential -- a viable fetus could possibly maybe perhaps survive outside the womb, but it does not meam that it will.

Also, let's say medical technolog advances so far that viability is at two weeks, wil you ascribe personhood to an embryo?

Ridiculous.

 

[Unkotare]

This is so stupid. A 5 day [sic] old infant has been born and can live and survive without its biological mother as long as another adult is lookikg [sic] after it. ...

A surrogate mother can carry another mother's baby to term. Fact is, YOU couldn't survive alone.

 

[Couchpotato]

Well, you have a fucked up definition of "children". And that's on you.

It's a human life. Call it whatever you want. "child" is just a descriptor of a stage of life. Like teenager or toddler or adult.

I know. Fascism IS all the rage these days.

Who knew not wanting to kill innocent humans is now "fascist".

 

[Couchpotato]

This is so stupid. A 5 day old infant has been born and can live and survive without its biological mother as long as another adult is lookikg after it. It is a separate individual with consciousness, volition and personhood. A ZEF, on the other hand, is physically dependant on the woman carrying it and cannot even breathe independejntly.

"Viability" is another nonsensical termnanti-abortionists like to throw around to make it seem as if their argument is valid. In reality, "viability" is just another reference to mere potential -- a viable fetus could possibly maybe perhaps survive outside the womb, but it does not meam that it will.

Also, let's say medical technolog advances so far that viability is at two weeks, wil you ascribe personhood to an embryo?

Ridiculous.

So, at what point is it not ok to abort a fetus? Once it's viable? If medical science advances to the point that at the point of conception doctors could go in, remove the zygote and it would survive until infancy you would be good with banning abortion? If you are in a car accident and were comatose, completely defendant on machines, with no brain function, but we knew for a fact that you would come out of that condition in a finite period of time and be fully recovered, would it be murder for me to walk into the hospital and shoot you in the face or would you have zero rights for that period of time?

 

[dblack]

It's a human life. Call it whatever you want. "child" is just a descriptor of a stage of life. Like teenager or toddler or adult.

A child is human life that has been "born". That's what that word means. It distinguishes between a fetus and a baby. A fetus is not yet a person. A baby is. OK?

Who knew not wanting to kill innocent humans is now "fascist".

I did. You all want ubiquitous government. Well, ya get it.

 

[Couchpotato]

A child is human life that has been "born". That's what that word means. It distinguishes between a fetus and a baby. A fetus is not yet a person. A baby is. OK?

So you confer rights to a human based on geography. What's the magic of being born? Why does a baby born prematurely at 30 weeks have rights but a 37-week-old baby has no rights in utero? What if the baby is late? Still no rights?

I did. You all want ubiquitous government. Well, ya get it.

No I just don't think we should legalize murder of any sort.

 

[Couchpotato]

dblack

laugh all you want but screaming "fascist" isn't a substitute for making an argument.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are you saying you support the government preventing a woman from taking a human life if she just feels like it? Fascist!

You can show your ass and act dumb. I would just let you talk.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No I just don't think we should legalize murder of any sort.

But your argument for it being murder is:

"Mah gawd says we all have souls"

So you can see why that argument failed, in the SCOTUS.

And why a corrupt president and corrupt senate leader had to nominate 3 corrupt judges to cheat and overturn the decision.

 

[Couchpotato]

* To you

So don't get an abortion and mind your business.

By this logic I can shoot and kill you so long as I dont think it's murder?

 

[Couchpotato]

But your argument for it being murder is:

"Mah gawd says we all have souls"

Post where I have said anything about God.

So you can see why that argument failed, in the SCOTUS.

And why a corrupt president and corrupt senate leader had to nominate 3 corrupt judges to cheat and overturn the decision.

The decision was bad irrespective of what it was about. You dont get to keep a bad legal decision because you liked the outcome of that decision.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

By this logic I can shoot and kill you so long as I dont think it's murder?

So long as we agree it isn't, and that would not just be based on lizard brained, religious fee fees.

For example, self defense.

That's why a corrupt president had to install 3 corrupt judges to delete a constitutionally protected right supported by the majority of Americans.

 

[Concerned American]

This is so stupid. A 5 day old infant has been born and can live and survive without its biological mother as long as another adult is lookikg after it. It is a separate individual with consciousness, volition and personhood. A ZEF, on the other hand, is physically dependant on the woman carrying it and cannot even breathe independejntly.

"Viability" is another nonsensical termnanti-abortionists like to throw around to make it seem as if their argument is valid. In reality, "viability" is just another reference to mere potential -- a viable fetus could possibly maybe perhaps survive outside the womb, but it does not meam that it will.

Also, let's say medical technolog advances so far that viability is at two weeks, wil you ascribe personhood to an embryo?

Ridiculous.

I contend the fetus is a person at a heartbeat. Usually around six weeks. Apparently you figure that a couple can't figure out that a plan B pill will work the next morning. Naw, that might be responsible and they wouldn't have the pleasure of MURDERING their creation. BTW, a human is developing until they die---fetal development is no different than puberty. And I agree this is very stupid that an adult is trying to justify murder by a stage of development.

 

[Couchpotato]

So long as we agree it isn't, and that would not just be based on lizard brained, religious fee fees.

But we don’t agree that abortion isn’t murder.

For example, self defense.

That's why a corrupt president had to install 3 corrupt judges to delete a constitutionally protected right supported by the majority of Americans.

Abortion isn’t in the Constitution. If it’s supported by a majority of Americans why are you afraid to let their elected state legislatures pass laws on the subject?

The majority of Americans supported slavery at one point in our history. Didn’t make it right.

 

[Concerned American]

But we don’t agree that abortion isn’t murder.

Abortion isn’t in the Constitution. If it’s supported by a majority of Americans why are you afraid to let their elected state legislatures pass laws on the subject?

The majority of Americans supported slavery at one point in our history. Didn’t make it right.

For the largest part of US history, the majority of people DID NOT support abortion. They called it what it was. MURDER.

 

[Trickster]

So, at what point is it not ok to abort a fetus? Once it's viable? If medical science advances to the point that at the point of conception doctors could go in, remove the zygote and it would survive until infancy you would be good with banning abortion? If you are in a car accident and were comatose, completely defendant on machines, with no brain function, but we knew for a fact that you would come out of that condition in a finite period of time and be fully recovered, would it be murder for me to walk into the hospital and shoot you in the face or would you have zero rights for that period of time?

Abortion ought to be legal up until birth. Simple as that.

 

[Trickster]

I contend the fetus is a person at a heartbeat.

Why?

Usually around six weeks.

My guy. Six weeks in a woman has not even missed her period yet and therefore not even considered buying a pregnancy tesr. Or she might actually even be pregmant without missing it and then pass the legal deadline before she does.

6 weeks is straight up r-tarded.

Apparently you figure that a couple can't figure out that a plan B pill will work the next morning. Naw, that might be responsible and they wouldn't have the pleasure of MURDERING their creation.

If abortion is murder then why isn't the morning after pill too?

BTW, a human is developing until they die---fetal development is no different than puberty. And I agree this is very stupid that an adult is trying to justify murder by a stage of development.

What is your point?