President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[paperview]

I think it is a good possibility.

Infer what you want from that.

Protestations is an inaccurate word. There are very few among us that say that Obama deserved the award. I think what I've done is point out what is obvious to most of us who remain open-minded. The acutual motivations for the awarding of the prize at this moment are another issue. I seriously doubt Obama knew nothing or was totally taken by surprise by this.

Going from saying he may not have deserved the award to inferring he had an actual hand in it
is a mighty wide leap few have catapulted themselves.

That didn't stop you though from your acrobatic thrust.

No sirreeebob.

In other words according to you I'm not allowed to speculate the timing nor the motivations for the award.

Thanks for enlightening me.

I'll take it under advisement.

And there you go again...taking grand leaps. That's a lotta gymnastic work on a slow Sunday mornin.'

So who is disallowing you? Who even mentioned anything like that? Not me.

You are allowed to make as big a fool of yourself as you possibly can.

In fact, I encourage it.

Carry on.

;D

 

[RadiomanATL]

Good to see you old friend, but I don't think that is fair to say in the least. The fact of the matter is as I see it, that he should not have been nominated for the prize nor considered for it after 12 days in office.

My guess is that you have not seen my other posts, but I truly believe he might have been worthy of such an award at least one year later, but not so soon.

Regardless, I continue to pray for his success.

Immie

I think the timing is a little suspect.

He needed something to stop him from tanking in the polls and he's so lacking in self-confidence that he can't stand being laughed at.

So what better way to patch up his damaged image then to get a prize that should be reserved for someone that has accomplished great things.

Well, I might agree with something like that if the nominations closed last week after his rankings in the polls had fallen, but at the time of the close of nominations he was the messiah of the Democratic Party. He was nominated long before the polls began to dip, so I don't see how you can claim that this was done because he needed to be boosted in the polls.

Immie

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

 

[mudwhistle]

Going from saying he may not have deserved the award to inferring he had an actual hand in it
is a mighty wide leap few have catapulted themselves.

That didn't stop you though from your acrobatic thrust.

No sirreeebob.

In other words according to you I'm not allowed to speculate the timing nor the motivations for the award.

Thanks for enlightening me.

I'll take it under advisement.

And there you go again...taking grand leaps. That's a lotta gymnastic work on a slow Sunday mornin.'

So who is disallowing you? Who even mentioned anything like that? Not me.

You are allowed to make as big a fool of yourself as you possibly can.

In fact, I encourage it.

Carry on.

;D

And by taking everything I say to extremes you show yourself to be equally foolish.

I was stating how you came across, so take it for what it is.

 

[paperview]

I think the timing is a little suspect.

He needed something to stop him from tanking in the polls and he's so lacking in self-confidence that he can't stand being laughed at.

So what better way to patch up his damaged image then to get a prize that should be reserved for someone that has accomplished great things.

Well, I might agree with something like that if the nominations closed last week after his rankings in the polls had fallen, but at the time of the close of nominations he was the messiah of the Democratic Party. He was nominated long before the polls began to dip, so I don't see how you can claim that this was done because he needed to be boosted in the polls.

Immie

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

Exactly.

People who think the time between nomination and actual awarding is somehow lost in vacuumland are off their rocker.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Well, I might agree with something like that if the nominations closed last week after his rankings in the polls had fallen, but at the time of the close of nominations he was the messiah of the Democratic Party. He was nominated long before the polls began to dip, so I don't see how you can claim that this was done because he needed to be boosted in the polls.

Immie

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

Exactly.

People who think the time between nomination and actual awarding is somehow lost in vacuumland are off their rocker.

Yeah. But he still didn't do anything NPP-worthy during that time either.

 

[paperview]

In other words according to you I'm not allowed to speculate the timing nor the motivations for the award.

Thanks for enlightening me.

I'll take it under advisement.

And there you go again...taking grand leaps. That's a lotta gymnastic work on a slow Sunday mornin.'

So who is disallowing you? Who even mentioned anything like that? Not me.

You are allowed to make as big a fool of yourself as you possibly can.

In fact, I encourage it.

Carry on.

;D

And by taking everything I say to extremes you show yourself to be equally foolish.

I was stating how you came across, so take it for what it is.

I feel pretty confident the record of our exchange speaks for itself, whistle of the mudded one.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Good to see you old friend, but I don't think that is fair to say in the least. The fact of the matter is as I see it, that he should not have been nominated for the prize nor considered for it after 12 days in office.

My guess is that you have not seen my other posts, but I truly believe he might have been worthy of such an award at least one year later, but not so soon.

Regardless, I continue to pray for his success.

Immie

I think the timing is a little suspect.

He needed something to stop him from tanking in the polls and he's so lacking in self-confidence that he can't stand being laughed at.

So what better way to patch up his damaged image then to get a prize that should be reserved for someone that has accomplished great things.

Now there is some airtight logic.

vulcan logic, obviously.

 

[Immanuel]

I think the timing is a little suspect.

He needed something to stop him from tanking in the polls and he's so lacking in self-confidence that he can't stand being laughed at.

So what better way to patch up his damaged image then to get a prize that should be reserved for someone that has accomplished great things.

Well, I might agree with something like that if the nominations closed last week after his rankings in the polls had fallen, but at the time of the close of nominations he was the messiah of the Democratic Party. He was nominated long before the polls began to dip, so I don't see how you can claim that this was done because he needed to be boosted in the polls.

Immie

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

But, if they were going to do this... now hear me out... they would have actually had to have believed that his ratings would have plummeted. You don't honestly believe that whoever nominated him, would have thought that he would sink so low so fast now do you? In time to get him nominated? I doubt it.

Immie

 

[RadiomanATL]

Well, I might agree with something like that if the nominations closed last week after his rankings in the polls had fallen, but at the time of the close of nominations he was the messiah of the Democratic Party. He was nominated long before the polls began to dip, so I don't see how you can claim that this was done because he needed to be boosted in the polls.

Immie

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

But, if they were going to do this... now hear me out... they would have actually have had to have believed that his ratings would have plummeted. You don't honestly believe that whoever nominated him, would have thought that he would sink so low so fast now do you? In time to get him nominated? I doubt it.

Immie

Of course not. Which is why I said I reject the premise. I was simply pointing out that the timing still works.

 

[paperview]

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

Exactly.

People who think the time between nomination and actual awarding is somehow lost in vacuumland are off their rocker.

Yeah. But he still didn't do anything NPP-worthy during that time either.

Perhaps.

I do so enjoy witnessing the collective heads of the right wingers exploding since though.
Boom!
Now that's mighty riproarious accomplishment!



*Clink* To the Norwegians! lol.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Exactly.

People who think the time between nomination and actual awarding is somehow lost in vacuumland are off their rocker.

Yeah. But he still didn't do anything NPP-worthy during that time either.

Perhaps.

I do so enjoy witnessing the collective heads of the right wingers exploding since. Boom!
Now that's mighty riproarious accomplishment!



*Clink* To the Norwegians! lol.

IMO there is no perhaps about it.

Maybe in a year...more likely two or three he will have done something to deserve it. But now? No way.

 

[Murf76]

Sorry, but one should ask the question 'Why now'.

When is this award normally awarded? Why did they choose to award it right after Obama fucked up in Denmark? What was the real purpose for this selection?

Why would they award a man who seems to live off of causing strife rather then bringing people together? A man who has divided this country even more then Bush.

His speeches seem to be geared toward offering peace to the world at the same time they cause us to fight among ourselves. I don't think a thing he's done has brought peace anywhere. There is no evidence of anything he's done has brought peace anywhere.

Exactly. The question is... 'WHY?'

One would think that even the Kool-Aid swillers would take insult to having their intelligence so sorely abused. But... alas... they don't even appear to be even mildly curious.

Certainly the Nobel Committee would have anticipated a certain amount of criticism in their selection. Afterall, they bypassed candidates who'd spent YEARS in prison, people who had risked life and limb in the cause of peace, to select a guy with little to no accomplishment. They gambled against their own credibility in order to affect... what?

People don't commit to action without a REASON. Hell, we don't even get up off the couch save we've got a reason to do it. So... why would the Nobel Committee risk making themselves into a global laughingstock if they didn't expect the gamble to pay off? What were they after?

It doesn't take a thinking person long to tick off a number of things which could potentially be manipulated by artificially inflating Barack Obama's diplomatic stature. Two spring directly to mind. The first being the War on Terror. Right now, our war policy concerning Afghanistan is undecided. Unbelievable as that might be when one considers we've got troops DYING on the ground for lack of reinforcement while Barack dithers away.

The second is our 2010 election. Socialist Democrats rise and fall with Obama. Keeping them in power weakens the United States and forwards the socialist agenda worldwide. As things stand now, given their poll numbers and their proclivity for spending us blind, they're likely to find themselves on the endangered species list come 2010. This faux-legitimization of Obama is a seal of approval on his policies and spreads the glory to his hangers-on.

All in all... Americans should be outraged that these assholes are trying to manipulate our internal politics from outside our borders. And sure, the Nobel Committee has suffered a loss of prestige in selecting a guy who didn't deserve the award... but it's more nefarious than the idea that they did it because they were starstruck. They're not imbeciles. They expected something in exchange for their loss of stature.

I've encountered alot of folks over the past couple of days who think it's a piddling matter and that we ought to move on to more potent discussion... but honestly, I think Eurotrash eggheads trying to **** with our minds and our policy is something we ought to recognize for what it is.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What confuses me the most about this is why people have so much weight into this award in the first place?

I keep seeing Carter, Yasser, and Gore brought up. So obviously those people didn't have much weight on this award beforehand I would assume.

As for the award itself, once again, Alfred Nobel, "The Merchant of Death", the inventor of Dynamite, created these awards to save his legacy. So I guess a lot of people do not see the irony in that.

so what....dynamite has many good uses...

 

[Maple]

Exactly.

People who think the time between nomination and actual awarding is somehow lost in vacuumland are off their rocker.

Yeah. But he still didn't do anything NPP-worthy during that time either.

Perhaps.

I do so enjoy witnessing the collective heads of the right wingers exploding since though.
Boom!
Now that's mighty riproarious accomplishment!



*Clink* To the Norwegians! lol.

Yes, cheers to them for pointing out just one more comparison to the weakest and worst President in the history of the U.S and another Nobel peace prize winner and that is JIMMY CARTER.

 

[Immanuel]

I don't agree with the premise. But it is possible. Nominations were closed in February, however the voting for who would win it didn't close until October...1st I believe?

Kinda like the time between a primary and a general election. Pretty much same concept.

But, if they were going to do this... now hear me out... they would have actually have had to have believed that his ratings would have plummeted. You don't honestly believe that whoever nominated him, would have thought that he would sink so low so fast now do you? In time to get him nominated? I doubt it.

Immie

Of course not. Which is why I said I reject the premise. I was simply pointing out that the timing still works.

But, some may believe that which is why I pointed it out.

I do not know who nominated him, but I can just see Nancy Pelosi (I don't think she is even allowed to make the nomination but just follow the point here) throwing the President's name into the hat for this award and thinking "I had better do this today because in October the President is going to need a boost in his ratings". And then after all that, come the final days for the voting on this they would have to convince the committee members that President Obama needed their help.

This award is ludicrous, but I can't imagine how they could have planned for even the need for such an award so early in his Presidency.

Immie

 

[paperview]

Yeah. But he still didn't do anything NPP-worthy during that time either.

Perhaps.

I do so enjoy witnessing the collective heads of the right wingers exploding since. Boom!
Now that's mighty riproarious accomplishment!



*Clink* To the Norwegians! lol.

IMO there is no perhaps about it.

Maybe in a year...more likely two or three he will have done something to deserve it. But now? No way.

After listening to the Awarding Norwegians talk about it the other night, explaining they have given the award in the past based on what they hoped for peace, and those working to create an atmosphere that make peace possible -it made sense.

I don't have to agree with it, nor do you - or anyone. But it has been awarded in past that way on occasion, and that's what they decided to do this time.

Why it has people in such a kerfuffle, I don't understand.

 

[dilloduck]

Perhaps.

I do so enjoy witnessing the collective heads of the right wingers exploding since. Boom!
Now that's mighty riproarious accomplishment!



*Clink* To the Norwegians! lol.

IMO there is no perhaps about it.

Maybe in a year...more likely two or three he will have done something to deserve it. But now? No way.

After listening to the Awarding Norwegians talk about it the other night, explaining they have given the award in the past based on what they hoped for peace, and those working to create an atmosphere that make peace possible -it made sense.

I don't have to agree with it, nor do you - or anyone. But it has been awarded in past that way on occasion, and that's what they decided to do this time.

Why it has people in such a kerfuffle, I don't understand.

There was one of them kerfluffle things when Arafat got it too.

 

[Murf76]

Why it has people in such a kerfuffle, I don't understand.

It doesn't bother you that a bunch of socialist weinies are trying to manipulate our war policy or our politics?

I find that kind of weird, considering that my immediate reaction would be to tell them to stuff it and to mind their own goddam business.

 

[paperview]

But, if they were going to do this... now hear me out... they would have actually have had to have believed that his ratings would have plummeted. You don't honestly believe that whoever nominated him, would have thought that he would sink so low so fast now do you? In time to get him nominated? I doubt it.

Immie

Of course not. Which is why I said I reject the premise. I was simply pointing out that the timing still works.

But, some may believe that which is why I pointed it out.

I do not know who nominated him, but I can just see Nancy Pelosi (I don't think she is even allowed to make the nomination but just follow the point here) throwing the President's name into the hat for this award and thinking "I had better do this today because in October the President is going to need a boost in his ratings". And then after all that, come the final days for the voting on this they would have to convince the committee members that President Obama needed their help.

This award is ludicrous, but I can't imagine how they could have planned for even the need for such an award so early in his Presidency.

Immie

No one know who made the nominations.

For all we know, it could have been a Social Science professor in Kenya.

;/

 

[toomuchtime_]

But, if they were going to do this... now hear me out... they would have actually have had to have believed that his ratings would have plummeted. You don't honestly believe that whoever nominated him, would have thought that he would sink so low so fast now do you? In time to get him nominated? I doubt it.

Immie

Of course not. Which is why I said I reject the premise. I was simply pointing out that the timing still works.

But, some may believe that which is why I pointed it out.

I do not know who nominated him, but I can just see Nancy Pelosi (I don't think she is even allowed to make the nomination but just follow the point here) throwing the President's name into the hat for this award and thinking "I had better do this today because in October the President is going to need a boost in his ratings". And then after all that, come the final days for the voting on this they would have to convince the committee members that President Obama needed their help.

This award is ludicrous, but I can't imagine how they could have planned for even the need for such an award so early in his Presidency.

Immie

To keep this in perspective, while nominations may be submitted by politicians and scholars from all over the world, the short list and final selection is made by five Norwegian politicians advised by a small group of Norwegian university professors, so it is reasonable to think the final selection tells us more about Norwegian politics and opinion than about anything else. Why do we care?

http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nomination_committee/members/