Preemptive Pardons

[Calypso Jones]

 

[DBA]

I've read them.

Um. So what?

We shouldn't be executing anyone in this country. Most of the world has abolished the Death Penalty for a good reason. We are in a club that includes Red China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.

Not sure that's a club I want to join.

How is it that you can be wrong on virtually every single issue?

I do find it funny that a self-professed former Republican, you don’t agree with any part of the Republican platform. People don’t generally gravitate to the party of kids as they wise up and age. You are a true anomaly.

 

[Calypso Jones]

it's been reported that the gutter media is juuust not sure how to report on Biden's pedo murderers' commutations. NOR are they sure how to report on the guatemalan illegal who set the woman on fire in the subway and then watched her burn... THey will figure out though how to make palatable these depravities to their slavish low info followers.

 

[JoeB131]

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The j6 Traitors deserve to be in prison.

Civilized countries don't execute people.

 

[JoeB131]

How is it that you can be wrong on virtually every single issue?

I do find it funny that a self-professed former Republican, you don’t agree with any part of the Republican platform. People don’t generally gravitate to the party of kids as they wise up and age. You are a true anomaly.

Well, here's the problem, dummy. I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me. I don't think 1990's Joe, who was still pretty conservative, would recognize the abomination the GOP has become under Cheeto Hitler.

You see, the reality is you guys denounce Romney, McCain, Dubya Bush, Dole, Poppy Bush, Ford, and Nixon. The only guy you still have a soft spot for is Ronnie Ray-gun, and that's because you worship an idealized version and ignore the stuff he actually did (Amnesty for illegals, moderates on the courts, etc.)

The party of family values now follows a guy who had sex with porn stars and

The party of National Defense is against NATO and the security agreements that kept the peace. You all seem to love you some Russia now.

Oh, and you are against Free Trade now.

The party of law and order voted for a guy convicted of 34 felonies.

The party of Fiscal Responsibility doubles and triples the National debt, and you guys are fine with it.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe Bribem freed all the pedo murderers who were convicted by juries and judges and sentenced to death FROM death Row. That's all, just that. no biggie heh? got kids? thought not.

Not really the point, is it?

Here's the problem with the Death Penalty. Once you've carried it out, and you find out you were mistaken later, you can't take it back.

That makes it unacceptable as policy.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Just like the impeachment system, Democrats have made a mockery of the pardoning system too.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The upshot of the Nixon pardon was to preemptively assert executive privilege, which has subsequently been clarified by the Supreme Court. The Biden pardon will ultimately be determined an abuse of that power.

Nope. The power of the pardon is absolute.

 

[DBA]

I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me.

You were only a fan of the RINO types in the first place. The party didn’t leave you, you were always a raging lefty lunatic. The party is turning back from the leftward stances of the Bush types.

In case you didn’t know, much of the reason the Democratic Party is flailing is because they have shifted too far left. NORMAL people don’t believe in the far-left stuff like you people in Chicago adopt. They don’t believe in providing sanctuary for illegal citizens or allowing non-citizens to vote. They don’t hesitate when asked the difference between a man and a woman. You aren’t normal, so you won’t get it. You are radicalized. I certainly hope your party continues to do the same things they have been doing. They will be left with nothing but nuts like yourself, the alphabet soup of confused people suffering from a myriad of psychological disorders and snot nosed kids. Good luck with that.

 

[JoeB131]

You were only a fan of the RINO types in the first place. The party didn’t leave you, you were always a raging lefty lunatic. The party is turning back from the leftward stances of the Bush types.

Right. Bush was a RINO. Romney was a RINO. McCain was a RINO. Cheney was a RINO. Reagan was a RINO. YOu see, everyone who is the one True God, Cheeto Hitler, is a RINO.

In case you didn’t know, much of the reason the Democratic Party is flailing is because they have shifted too far left.

Nope, they are flailing because their candidate was too old to run, and didn't get out of the way fast enough.

NORMAL people don’t believe in the far-left stuff like you people in Chicago adopt. They don’t believe in providing sanctuary for illegal citizens or allowing non-citizens to vote.

Half of Americans Say Diversity Benefits the United States

But Republicans and Democrats are sharply divided when it comes to immigration levels.

globalaffairs.org

• The majority of Americans (64%) favor a path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants 1 working in the United States, either with (24%) or without (40%) a fine or waiting period.

They don’t hesitate when asked the difference between a man and a woman. You aren’t normal, so you won’t get it. You are radicalized.

Guy, the problem with these cultural panics is that they are temporary. Remember when Bush (who I guess is a RINO now?) ran on stopping Gay Marriage in 2004?

He barely won (although by a better margin than Trump did).
Then Katrina happened, and He lost the House and Senate in 2006
Then the Great Recession Happened, and he lost the White House (Well, McCain did, but it was really a referendum on Bush)
Then Gay marriage was legalized, and Obama did this.

Today, 70% approve of Gay marriage.

 

[DBA]

Today, 70% approve of Gay marriage.

Right, because it has been normalized. That doesn’t make it right or good of society. Out of wedlock births used to be very taboo, but now it is much more acceptable. Is that a good thing for society?

Right. Bush was a RINO. Romney was a RINO. McCain was a RINO. Cheney was a RINO. Reagan was a RINO. YOu see, everyone who is the one True God, Cheeto Hitler, is a RINO.

Reagan wasn’t a RINO.

Bush was good friends with Obama. His daughter is a lefty.

Cheney, well, his daughter voted for Harris.

Nope, they are flailing because their candidate was too old to run, and didn't get out of the way fast enough.

Nope, most normal people don’t agree with their radical stances.

The majority of Americans (64%) favor a path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants 1 working in the United States, either with (24%) or without (40%) a fine or waiting period.

I can guarantee you there are different results depending on how the question is phrased. Most are not in favor of giving amnesty to those who snuck across our order illegally. If you provided them with information about the cost of illegally immigration and how it affects their taxes, their tune would also change. I have a family full of legal immigrants. They are ALL opposed to illegal immigration and ALL in favor of them being deported.

 

[JoeB131]

Right, because it has been normalized. That doesn’t make it right or good of society. Out of wedlock births used to be very taboo, but now it is much more acceptable. Is that a good thing for society?

Sure it is. It's certainly a lot better than forcing people into marriages they don't want where they are fucking miserable.

Reagan wasn’t a RINO.

Bush was good friends with Obama. His daughter is a lefty.

Cheney, well, his daughter voted for Harris.

Ah, you mean the bad old days where we didn't treat each other like the enemy. We are so much happier now, aren't we?

The problem is that most Republicans know Trump is bad news; they are just too cowardly to say so. After he fucks up the economy (and he will), some of them will get braver, but it'll be too late by then.

Nope, most normal people don’t agree with their radical stances.

Except polling shows they do. Except transgender rights, that's going to take a while.

I can guarantee you there are different results depending on how the question is phrased. Most are not in favor of giving amnesty to those who snuck across our order illegally. If you provided them with information about the cost of illegally immigration and how it affects their taxes, their tune would also change. I have a family full of legal immigrants. They are ALL opposed to illegal immigration and ALL in favor of them being deported.

I'm not going to comment on your family, because that's against the rules. Any immigrant who thinks that the racists say, "not you, man, we're cool", need to look at how the MAGAts are losing their shit over H1B visas.

The fact is that Illegal immigration is a net gain for the US, because we gain the value of their labor, doing jobs Americans don't want to do.

 

[DBA]

Sure it is. It's certainly a lot better than forcing people into marriages they don't want where they are fucking miserable.

Nope, it is not better. One look at a large portion of the African American community is all it takes. Single parent households are not a good thing for society, by any measure.

The problem is that most Republicans know Trump is bad news; they are just too cowardly to say so. After he fucks up the economy (and he will), some of them will get braver, but it'll be too late by then.

No, most don’t. Smart people making good money and investing money know what they voted for. It is the lesser successful people, like yourself, that believe they know best. It is kind of like trying to tell my teenager something. Of course I know best, but he is a teenager and won’t listen. You guys have never grown out of that phase and never will.

Except polling shows they do. Except transgender rights, that's going to take a while.

No, exit polls do not, thus why Democrats lost. They will continue to lose, especially if voting can be secured. You live in Chicago, which is just plain nuts. You think you have a finger on the pulse of the country because that is what you are exposed to on a daily basis, but the reality is that you and other Chicagoans are the outliers, not the norm.

The fact is that Illegal immigration is a net gain for the US, because we gain the value of their labor, doing jobs Americans don't want to do.

This is COMPLETELY false. ILLEGAL immigration is not a net gain. That is a load of bull that lefties have been fed. If ILLEGAL immigration is a net gain, why not invite everyone from poort countries to come to the US? Wouldn’t that solve all our problems? You guys aren’t logical people

 

[JoeB131]

Nope, it is not better. One look at a large portion of the African American community is all it takes. Single parent households are not a good thing for society, by any measure.

Works on a lot of false assumptions.
First, a black father who never married the mother but lives with her is a more positive influence than the white dad who ran off with the secretary and has to be forced to take the kids on his weekend.

Blacks are in a better position today than they were in 1950, when most of them were born into married households, but they still had to ride on the back of the bus and were treated as second class citizens.

France has an out-of-wedlock birth rate of 60%. They are fine.

No, most don’t. Smart people making good money and investing money know what they voted for. It is the lesser successful people, like yourself, that believe they know best. It is kind of like trying to tell my teenager something. Of course I know best, but he is a teenager and won’t listen. You guys have never grown out of that phase and never will.

Again, that teenagers think you are full of shit, that's on you.

Here's what I go by.

10 of the last 11 Recessions happened when Republicans were in charge. When the next recession happens, probably next year, we can go 11 for 12. There's an old saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

No, exit polls do not, thus why Democrats lost. They will continue to lose, especially if voting can be secured. You live in Chicago, which is just plain nuts. You think you have a finger on the pulse of the country because that is what you are exposed to on a daily basis, but the reality is that you and other Chicagoans are the outliers, not the norm.

Guy, you can scream all day, but Trump only won by 1.4% of the electorate against a weak opponent who didn't have enough time to organize a campaign. I mean, I know winning the popular vote is a new and exciting experience for you, but you need to get a bit real.

Trump will fuck up the economy worse than Bush did, and he'll get the exact same result in 2026 and 2028.

This is COMPLETELY false. ILLEGAL immigration is not a net gain. That is a load of bull that lefties have been fed. If ILLEGAL immigration is a net gain, why not invite everyone from poort countries to come to the US? Wouldn’t that solve all our problems? You guys aren’t logical people

Actually, that invitation HAS been extended, by every white person who hires illegals off the books to pick their crops, clean their toilets, raise their kids, and finish that DIY job that HGTV made look a lot easier than it was.

 

[DBA]

Again, that teenagers think you are full of shit, that's on you.

That teenagers agree with your sentiments is on you and other childish Democrats. It is not that teenagers haven’t magically become wise, it that people like you have never become wise and thus tend to agree with them.

Blacks are in a better position today than they were in 1950, when most of them were born into married households, but they still had to ride on the back of the bus and were treated as second class citizens.

Glad to know you recognize that black are in a much better position today. They would be in an even better position if more of them would maintain a family structure, including marriage.

Actually, that invitation HAS been extended, by every white person who hires illegals off the books to pick their crops, clean their toilets, raise their kids, and finish that DIY job that HGTV made look a lot easier than it was.

And extended by sanctuary cities that provide them food, housing and a monthly stipend. Funny that you don’t seem to care much about that.

Nonetheless, Trump was to remove them. We can remove them and make secure the border. I have no problem with cracking down on those that hire illegals as well. Also, remove sanctuary cities, but I don’t think you lefties will go for that.

 

[JoeB131]

That teenagers agree with your sentiments is on you and other childish Democrats. It is not that teenagers haven’t magically become wise, it that people like you have never become wise and thus tend to agree with them.

I voted Republican until 2008.
Then I got an underwater mortgage, a busted 401K, and a 25% reduction in salary. And I considered myself lucky, a lot of people had it a lot worse.

Stupid are the people who keep voting Republican, and then wondering why we keep getting recessions. Heck, Trump isn't even in yet, and we are already hearing excuses for the next recession that is probably coming.

Glad to know you recognize that black are in a much better position today. They would be in an even better position if more of them would maintain a family structure, including marriage.

But you miss the point. Intact families didn't help them in 1950, but generous social programs and civil rights programs did.

And extended by sanctuary cities that provide them food, housing and a monthly stipend. Funny that you don’t seem to care much about that.

Nonetheless, Trump was to remove them. We can remove them and make secure the border. I have no problem with cracking down on those that hire illegals as well. Also, remove sanctuary cities, but I don’t think you lefties will go for that.

Naw, I think we need to resist Trump in everything he does. If ICE Jackboots show up in Chicago, Mayor Johnson has promised to arrest them. Good on him.

 

[konradv]

So it has been admitted that Biden is discussing preemptive pardons. The only such pardon I know of in American history was for former President Nixon, and that was a unique reason for doing so.

Any such pardons are an admission that these people were involved in lawfare, such as Jack Smith, and lies, such as Liz Cheney.

More disdain for America should Biden act on such preemptive pardons, and such pardons would e of questionable impact and would end up in the Supreme Court.

 

[DBA]

I voted Republican until 2008.

Despite them being the opposite of everything you believe socially? I find that hard to believe.

Heck, Trump isn't even in yet, and we are already hearing excuses for the next recession that is probably coming.

Democrats are good at setting up for failure. Biden’s spent like a drunken sailor. Economists have been talking about a recession for years. The stock market it over valued, that is for certain. The good thing is that if Harris had been elected, any recession would have been exacerbated by bad economic policy. You loons are losers for a reason…you have no economic sense.

But you miss the point. Intact families didn't help them in 1950, but generous social programs and civil rights programs did.

Intact families coupled with the equal rights they now have most certainly would help. Only morons don’t see the value in the family unit. You are in that club.

Naw, I think we need to resist Trump in everything he does. If ICE Jackboots show up in Chicago, Mayor Johnson has promised to arrest them. Good on him.

Good luck with that. I hope Trump cuts federal funding to you lunatic states. That will wake you up real quick.

 

[JoeB131]

Despite them being the opposite of everything you believe socially? I find that hard to believe.

Well, here's what I figured out on social issues. They are all bullshit. That's why they only play lip service to most of them. Do you think it's a coincidence that it took 50 years to overturn Roe? Of course not. Republicans wanted to keep people angry about it, they never wanted to really outlaw it. Now Trump has walked them ass-backwards into abortion bans no one likes.

Now I'll admit, I was anti-abortion for a long time. We can thank the Nuns and their Fetus Porn for that. Then I realized something. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

Other social issues I was in denial about, such as the racism and homophobia, which I never bought into. I just couldn't pretend they weren't after a certain point, like I couldn't pretend after a certain point that Republicans gave a shit about working people. But some of you are still in denial.

Democrats are good at setting up for failure. Biden’s spent like a drunken sailor. Economists have been talking about a recession for years. The stock market it over valued, that is for certain. The good thing is that if Harris had been elected, any recession would have been exacerbated by bad economic policy. You loons are losers for a reason…you have no economic sense.

It's nice to see that you guys are already making excuses for the Trump Recession. (Or Trump Recession 2)

The problem is you guys keep doing the same things, and getting the same results. 1) Tax cuts for the rich (which make deficits and income inequality worse) and 2) De-regulation, which usually means someone takes unnecessary risks that crash the economy. i.e. the S&L Crisis in 1989, the dotcom boom in 2000, or the Housing collapse in 2008. If I were to predict the trigger for Trump Recession 2, it's probably going to be Cryptocurrency. I don't even see how that isn't a scam, a currency that isn't backed up by a government. That's going to blow up, and Trump and Real President Musk are hip deep in it.

Intact families coupled with the equal rights they now have most certainly would help. Only morons don’t see the value in the family unit. You are in that club.

Or...not France has a 60% out of wedlock birth rate, they are fine.

People should get married because they are in love, not because someone accidently got pregnant.

I worry less about a baby-daddy who lives with the mom than a husband who ran off with the secretary and has to be pushed to take his weekend with the kids.

Good luck with that. I hope Trump cuts federal funding to you lunatic states. That will wake you up real quick.

I hope he does, too. It'll make him fail that much faster. I want Trump to fail. I want the economy to go into a recession. I want to see him humiliated on the world stage. Then Americans will start taking this shit more seriously.

 

[DBA]

Not even going to quote you on this one.

Sounds like social indoctrination kicked in once you left Catholic school. That is typical in areas like yours.

Many, many, many regulations can be cut while still maintaining some guardrails. Regulations are strangling businesses and prohibit productivity. Climate change regulations are a big culprit that needs to be cut to the bone.

It is always Europe that you lefties jump to. Western Europe is a secularist’s dream. Move there if you like it so much. Stop trying to being American DOWN to their level. They are many years older than our nation and yet aren’t even close to achieving what our nation has achieved. They rely on us for protection because they are incapable of doing in themselves. My neighbor is German and an American citizen. He will be the first to tell you that Americans have a much glorified view of Europe. The grass is always greener syndrome. He stayed here for a reason.

Lunatic blue states are in the minority. Pulling federal funding from them would potentially wake them up. I can’t wait to see a major from one of these looney places arrest an ICE agent and watch him be thrown in prison for obstruction. It would be hilarious.