Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.

I believe standards exist for logical reasons and that those reasons reveal themselves when the standards are not met. I don't believe the existence of standards means that everyone can or will meet them but that in no way negates the need for standards.
The problem with that theory is that to comply with the Law results in abundant blessings and eternal life ON EARTH, and failure to comply with the Law results in death, a curse.

Your 'belief" is that God is a capricious petty tyrant who makes laws no one can comply with except if he diddled a virgin to become a sacrificial mangod to pay the penalty for your sins.

No wonder you are such a jackass.
 
The problem with that theory...
There is no problem with that theory. It's called normalization of deviance. It's a well established principle.
is that to comply with the Law results in abundant blessings and eternal life ON EARTH, and failure to comply with the Law results in death, a curse.
One of the misconceptions of Judaism that Jesus corrected is that it's not about rule keeping. It is about having a relationship with God. If one's relationship with God is right, all other relationships will be right and there won't even be a need for rules to be kept because everyone is doing the right thing and when they make a mistake they take accountability and rectify it on their own.

You can't even tell me how or why complying with the rules results in abundant blessings and eternal life on earth, can you? Because you certainly don't follow the rule of civility which is most likely because your relationship with God isn't right. If it were you wouldn't constantly be at war with Christians. You would be at peace.
Your 'belief" is that God is a capricious petty tyrant who makes laws no one can comply
That's not my belief. I think that's your belief. My belief is that God is loving. So much so that he chose to be born into this world to testify to the truth and suffer death to reconcile justice with mercy. How can you believe Christians believe God is a capricious petty tyrant when Christians believe that God will not judge them for their mistakes? Your belief makes no sense at all.

Jesus taught that true righteousness is about a transformed heart, love for God, and love for neighbors, rather than merely keeping external rules. He fulfilled the law by focusing on intent over action—teaching that inner attitudes like hatred or lust are as sinful as actions, while emphasizing mercy over rigid legalism. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus declared that inner thoughts (hatred, lust) are equivalent to acts (murder, adultery) in God's eyes. He pushed beyond mere conformity to a list of rules to demand true righteousness. Jesus defied religious leaders by healing on the Sabbath and allowing his disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath, declaring that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Jesus summarized all laws as loving God wholeheartedly and loving one's neighbor as oneself. He argued that following these two principles is the essence of true obedience. He frequently broke with the traditions of the Pharisees, such as ceremonial hand-washing, arguing that what truly defiles a person comes from the heart, not from unwashed hands. Jesus taught that followers should keep his commands out of love for him, rather than keeping rules to gain merit or out of a sense of legal obligation.
with except if he diddled a virgin to become a sacrificial mangod to pay the penalty for your sins. No wonder you are such a jackass.
It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that are hateful, irrational and deceptive because it proves that Christianity is loving, rational and the truth.
 
It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that are hateful, irrational and deceptive because it proves that Christianity is loving, rational and the truth.
lol. Either that or you get what you got which is exactly what you give and deserve.
 
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lol. Either that or you get what you got which is exactly what you give and deserve.
It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that are hateful, irrational and deceptive because it proves that Christianity is loving, rational and the truth.

You condemn respect for Christians (i.e. hatred). You make irrational arguments (i.e. Jesus is just a man but will come again). And you use deception to lead others away from Christ (i.e. interpretations which are diametrically opposite of the message of the gospels).
 
You make irrational arguments (i.e. Jesus is just a man but will come again).
Was Elijah a man? Yes? Didn't Jesus say that John the baptist was Elijah? A man? How is it irrational to conclude that Jesus, a man, could be reincarnated in the same way Elijah was?

WHICH HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.
 
Was Elijah a man? Yes? Didn't Jesus say that John the baptist was Elijah? A man? How is it irrational to conclude that Jesus, a man, could be reincarnated in the same way Elijah was?
The Transfiguration is a pivotal event where Jesus became radiant with divine glory on a mountain, affirming his identity as the Son of God to Peter, James, and John. It acts as a bridge between Jesus’ earthly ministry and his resurrection glory, serving to reassure disciples before his upcoming passion and death. It occurred on a high mountain, often identified as Mount Tabor. Jesus’ face shone like the sun and his clothing became dazzling white, exceeding any earthly bleaching. Moses and Elijah appeared, representing the Law and the Prophets, conversing with Jesus about his "departure" (death) in Jerusalem. A voice from God stated, "This is my beloved Son... listen to him!". The Transfiguration was a foretaste of the Resurrection, allowing the disciples to see Jesus's future glory before witnessing his humiliation on the cross. It strengthened the "inner circle" of apostles by validating Jesus’s divinity just before his death, preparing them to lead after his passing. The scene directly supports Jesus as the Son of God and fulfillment of the Old Testament Law and Prophets. The transfiguration highlights that human nature meets God through Jesus. The Transfiguration provides a glimpse of future glory prior to his time of suffering.

So now that you understand what the gospels recorded about the Transfiguration and why.... Moses and Elijah were not resurrected or reincarnated. Elijah is believed to have been taken directly into heaven without dying (2 Kings 2:11), so his appearance in glory is generally understood as taking place in that existing, non-physical form. Moses died and was buried (Deuteronomy 34). While some traditions argue he was resurrected after his death (supported in some interpretations of Jude 1:9), many interpretations hold that his spirit was permitted to appear with Elijah in a non-corporeal, yet visible, form.
WHICH HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.
You mean other than it being foretaste of the Resurrection, allowing the disciples to see Jesus's future glory before witnessing his humiliation on the cross.
 
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Was Elijah a man? Yes? Didn't Jesus say that John the baptist was Elijah? A man? How is it irrational to conclude that Jesus, a man, could be reincarnated in the same way Elijah was?
If Elijah and Moses were reincarnated as men. What happened to them?

And if Jesus was just a Jewish man why did Jesus’ face shine like the sun and his clothing became dazzling white, exceeding any earthly bleaching?
 
The Transfiguration is a pivotal event where Jesus became radiant with divine glory on a mountain, affirming his identity as the Son of God to Peter, James, and John.
That also is a story about what was seen and heard in a dream as shown by the minor detail that they fell into a deep sleep.

No one dematerializes in real life. The disciples "saw his glory" WHEN THEY WOKE UP.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?
 
Elijah is believed to have been taken directly into heaven without dying (2 Kings 2:11),
Elijah being "taken up" in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for Elijah being murdered, killed, by a lynch mob. Just like Jesus being "taken up" was a euphemism for him being murdered.

People do not float up into the sky. Even if you really really really believe. Pft. Hello? :nocknockHT:

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?
 
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If Elijah and Moses were reincarnated as men. What happened to them?
Well, after a well deserved long vacation in paradise, Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist, but only if what Jesus said is true, and Moses was reincarnated as Jesus, but only if what Jesus said about being with God when Heaven and Earth were created was true because only Moses was there with God on Mt Sinai when Light was spoken into existence.

Anyway, Happy Easter!

If you can take few minutes out of your busy day being a pretentious false person why not ask AI if it is moral or ethical to thank God an innocent man was executed for your crimes.

:popcorn:
 
That also is a story about what was seen and heard in a dream as shown by the minor detail that they fell into a deep sleep.

No one dematerializes in real life. The disciples "saw his glory" WHEN THEY WOKE UP.

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?
The transfiguration wasn't presented as a dream. The Transfiguration of Jesus is presented in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 17, Mark 9, Luke 9) as an historical event—a real, physical occurrence experienced by Peter, James, and John on a mountain. The narrative does not present the scene as a dream. The disciples are described as being awake and terrified, with Jesus interacting with them physically by touching them. It includes mundane details like Peter’s confused suggestion to build tents. The testimony in 2 Peter 1:16–18 ("eyewitnesses of his majesty") confirm it was intended as a real, historical, and physical event. The Transfiguration is presented as a real, objective event in the life of Jesus witnessed by the disciples, confirming Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets. .
 
Elijah being "taken up" in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for Elijah being murdered, killed, by a lynch mob. Just like Jesus being "taken up" was a euphemism for him being murdered.

People do not float up into the sky. Even if you really really really believe. Pft. Hello? :nocknockHT:

Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?
That's not how the gospels present it.
 
Well, after a well deserved long vacation in paradise, Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist, but only if what Jesus said is true, and Moses was reincarnated as Jesus, but only if what Jesus said about being with God when Heaven and Earth were created was true because only Moses was there with God on Mt Sinai when Light was spoken into existence.
It's interesting that you believe in reincarnation. But John the Baptist was not the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah. He came "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17) to fulfill the prophecy of the forerunner of the Messiah. Jesus identified John as the promised "Elijah" who was to come, referring to his ministry role rather than a literal re-embodiment.

John the Baptist had a similar rugged appearance, ministry style, and message of repentance to Elijah, fulfilling the prophecy of Malachi 3:1 and 4:5. The Angel Gabriel told Zechariah that John would go before the Lord in the "spirit and power of Elijah." When asked directly by leaders if he was Elijah, John the Baptist said, "I am not" (John 1:21).
 
Jesus identified John as the promised "Elijah" who was to come, referring to his ministry role rather than a literal re-embodiment.
No, Jesus said that Elijah had already come, not his ministry role. The prophecy is clear that Elijah would be the forerunner of the Messiah. And even though John the baptist denied being Elijah because he was given a new life and a new name, doesn't mean he wasn't Elijah in a former existence.

And Jesus claiming to be present with God at the creation of heaven and earth was a claim of being Moses in a former existence because only Moses was with God on MT Sinai when light was spoken into existence.
 
No, Jesus said that Elijah had already come, not his ministry role. The prophecy is clear that Elijah would be the forerunner of the Messiah. And even though John the baptist denied being Elijah because he was given a new life and a new name, doesn't mean he wasn't Elijah in a former existence.
Jesus did not imply that John the Baptist was a literal reincarnation of the prophet Elijah. Instead, Jesus taught that John was the fulfillment of prophecy, coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" to prepare the way for the Messiah. Jesus identified John as the "Elijah who is to come" mentioned in Malachi 3:1 & 4:5, but meant this functionally rather than physically. Luke 1:17 clarifies that John would act with the same spiritual power and prophetic ministry as Elijah. Elijah did not die but was taken to heaven, which contradicts the concept of reincarnation requiring a previous death. Later, Elijah appeared in his own identity alongside Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-8), proving he was not inhabiting John's body. John the Baptist himself stated he was not Elijah (John 1:21). Therefore, Christian theology interprets Jesus’ statement in Matthew 11:14 to mean a return of the prophetic role, not the person.
 
By the way, ding what did AI tell you about the ethics of letting an innocent man die for your crimes?

This is what I found out.

Allowing an innocent person to die in another's place fundamentally violates principles of individual accountability and justice that philosophers and ethicists recognize across secular and religious traditions. Scapegoating is defined as transferring responsibility onto a vulnerable person to deflect guilt—a practice that undermines fairness because it punishes someone for wrongs they didn't commit, contradicting the basic principle that people should answer only for their own actions.

Which is exactly what God told Ezekiel, not to mention what Jesus himself said about the subject... Everyone is held accountable and judged according to their own words and deeds.
 
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And Jesus claiming to be present with God at the creation of heaven and earth was a claim of being Moses in a former existence because only Moses was with God on MT Sinai when light was spoken into existence.
Jesus' claim to be present with God at the creation of heaven and earth was not a claim of being Moses in a former existence. Instead, it was a claim to pre-existence as the divine Word (Logos) and the Son of God, who existed eternally with God before the world began. In the Gospel of John, Jesus explicitly claims to have existed before Abraham ("Before Abraham was, I am") and asks the Father to glorify him with the glory he had "before the world began" (John 17:5). John 1:1–3 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made through him". Jesus is presented not merely as a bystander, but as the active agent through whom God created all things. This claim was understood by his audience as a claim to deity (Yahweh), not a claim to be a previous prophet like Moses.

Jesus frequently distinguishes himself from Moses. Hebrews 3:3-6 states that Jesus is worthy of more glory than Moses, just as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself. John 1:17 states, "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." When Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58), he was identifying with the divine name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14, asserting he was the God of the Old Testament, not that he was Moses reborn.

The biblical text positions Jesus as the "firstborn over all creation" and the agent of creation, existing before all things (Colossians 1:15–17). The concept of Jesus' pre-existence in Christianity is that he is the eternal Son/Word of God, not a reincarnation of a previous human figure such as Moses. Therefore, Jesus’ claims were designed to establish his divinity and his role as the eternal Creator, rather than identifying as a former human prophet.
 
That's not how the gospels present it.
So what. A euphemism is a well known literary device, a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing.
 
Jesus did not imply that John the Baptist was a literal reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.
Thats right. He said it clearly and directly. Elijah has already come....

Matthew 17:13

“Then the disciples UNDERSTOOD that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.”
 
By the way, ding what did AI tell you about the ethics of letting an innocent man die for your crimes?

This is what I found out.

Allowing an innocent person to die in another's place fundamentally violates principles of individual accountability and justice that
philosophers and ethicists recognize across secular and religious traditions. Scapegoating is defined as transferring responsibility onto a vulnerable person to deflect guilt—a practice that undermines fairness because it punishes someone for wrongs they didn't commit, contradicting the basic principle that people should answer only for their own actions.
Jesus existed ~2000 years before I was born. I didn't let him do anything.

The central difference is that Jesus is understood to have chosen his death willingly out of love, whereas your logical fallacy straw man involves an innocent victim forced to pay. Jesus is not a "mere man" but as God incarnate, giving his sacrifice an "infinite worth" that covers all sins. it was a divine act of mercy, allowing God to satisfy justice while offering salvation. You can't compare divine justice to a human legal system especially since your premise is flawed because Jesus wasn't forced to pay.
 
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