Prager University says that _____ was the cause of the Civil War

[danielpalos]

Slavery was an element, not the Cause.

Daniel, watch the vid, then think.

I did. Slavery was an element, not the root Cause under our or Any form of Capitalism.

The military professor clearly shows why your argument is wrong. But that's OK; each to his own.

care to cite the actual concept? or, should i believe You are in it for the "gospel Truth"?

You clearly don't understand the actual OP. Go back, listen to the Vid and the military history professor, and come back and tell us where he is wrong. This will be fun.

Yes; the Civil War was about capital under our form of capitalism; slavery was incidental.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Daniel, watch the vid, then think.

I did. Slavery was an element, not the root Cause under our or Any form of Capitalism.

The military professor clearly shows why your argument is wrong. But that's OK; each to his own.

care to cite the actual concept? or, should i believe You are in it for the "gospel Truth"?

You clearly don't understand the actual OP. Go back, listen to the Vid and the military history professor, and come back and tell us where he is wrong. This will be fun.

Yes; the Civil War was about capital under our form of capitalism; slavery was incidental.

Slavery capitalized every dollar in the South either directly or indirectly, so, yes, Slavery was the cause.

 

[danielpalos]

I did. Slavery was an element, not the root Cause under our or Any form of Capitalism.

The military professor clearly shows why your argument is wrong. But that's OK; each to his own.

care to cite the actual concept? or, should i believe You are in it for the "gospel Truth"?

You clearly don't understand the actual OP. Go back, listen to the Vid and the military history professor, and come back and tell us where he is wrong. This will be fun.

Yes; the Civil War was about capital under our form of capitalism; slavery was incidental.

Slavery capitalized every dollar in the South either directly or indirectly, so, yes, Slavery was the cause.

It was about Capital; slavery was incidental. We would not have had a Civil War, if it was "just about" slavery.

 

[mgh80]

The war wasn't fought over slavery (initially), however Lincoln did change the narrative into slavery during the war to get more people to rally behind the Union, since many Northerners were of the mindset of "if they want to leave-let them".

 

[gipper]

The war wasn't fought over slavery (initially), however Lincoln did change the narrative into slavery during the war to get more people to rally behind the Union, since many Northerners were of the mindset of "if they want to leave-let them".

Yes and Dishonest Abe imprisoned many without charges and illegally shut down numerious newspapers who believed as the Founders did, that the union was voluntary and secession legal. Lincoln was a dumb fuck tyrant not unlike many presidents who succeeded him.

 

[whitehall]

Surprise, surprise lefties, Prager U. isn't really a university. It's an opinionated generally right wing blog. Does it really matter what second string radio talk show host Prager thinks about the cause of the Civil War? Why not focus on what Obama's pastor thought of the United States?

 

[Scamp]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

 

[danielpalos]

The war wasn't fought over slavery (initially), however Lincoln did change the narrative into slavery during the war to get more people to rally behind the Union, since many Northerners were of the mindset of "if they want to leave-let them".

Yes and Dishonest Abe imprisoned many without charges and illegally shut down numerious newspapers who believed as the Founders did, that the union was voluntary and secession legal. Lincoln was a dumb fuck tyrant not unlike many presidents who succeeded him.

We had an Actual Civil War, not a "fake Civil War", like the right wing likes to soothsay and hearsay.

 

[danielpalos]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

 

[bodecea]

And Democrats like Jake are still mad they lost their negro's.

"lost their negro's" what, Mr IQ of 214?

 

[Scamp]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

And when the Civil War was over the Union still had slavery.

 

[gipper]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

And when the Civil War was over the Union still had slavery.

Yeah...it is missed on many that Dishonest Abe's Emancipation Proclamation only applied to states he had no authority over.

 

[mgh80]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

I'm not naive enough to say that slavery had no part in the war (it did), but I'm also not ignorant to say that it was the sole reason, or even the main reason (at the start of the war).

 

[paperview]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

The actual facts:

The 13th Amendment, which prohibits slavery, was proposed on January 31, 1865.

# State Date *
1 Illinois Feb 1, 1865
2 Rhode Island Feb 2, 1865
3 Michigan Feb 3, 1865
4 Maryland Feb 3, 1865
5 New York Feb 3, 1865
6 Pennsylvania Feb 3, 1865
7 West Virginia Feb 3, 1865
8 Missouri Feb 6, 1865
9 Maine Feb 7, 1865
10 Kansas Feb 7, 1865
11 Massachusetts Feb 7, 1865
12 Virginia Feb 9, 1865
13 Ohio Feb 10, 1865
14 Indiana Feb 13, 1865
15 Nevada Feb 16, 1865
16 Louisiana Feb 17, 1865
17 Minnesota Feb 23, 1865
18 Wisconsin Feb 24, 1865
19 Vermont Mar 8, 1865
20 Tennessee Apr 7, 1865
21 Arkansas Apr 14, 1865
22 Connecticut May 4, 1865
23 New Hampshire Jul 1, 1865
24 South Carolina Nov 13, 1865
25 Alabama Dec 2, 1865
26 North Carolina Dec 4, 1865
27 Georgia Dec 6, 1865 *
28 Oregon Dec 8, 1865
29 California Dec 19, 1865
30 Florida Dec 28, 1865
31 Iowa Jan 15, 1866
32 New Jersey Jan 23, 1866
33 Texas Feb 18, 1870
34 Delaware Feb 12, 1901
35 Kentucky Mar 18, 1976
36 Mississippi Mar 16, 1995 *
Ratified in 309 days
* Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but the state didn't officially notify the US Archivist until 2012, when the ratification finally became official.

 

[Scamp]

But Lincoln freed the slaves, Right?

 

[danielpalos]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

And when the Civil War was over the Union still had slavery.

The North was for a more Perfect Union.

 

[danielpalos]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

I'm not naive enough to say that slavery had no part in the war (it did), but I'm also not ignorant to say that it was the sole reason, or even the main reason (at the start of the war).

just right wing special pleading? read the rest, of the thread.

 

[mgh80]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

I'm not naive enough to say that slavery had no part in the war (it did), but I'm also not ignorant to say that it was the sole reason, or even the main reason (at the start of the war).

just right wing special pleading? read the rest, of the thread.

I posted facts, if you have a problem with them-I can't help you.

 

[mgh80]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

The actual facts:

The 13th Amendment, which prohibits slavery, was proposed on January 31, 1865.

# State Date *
1 Illinois Feb 1, 1865
2 Rhode Island Feb 2, 1865
3 Michigan Feb 3, 1865
4 Maryland Feb 3, 1865
5 New York Feb 3, 1865
6 Pennsylvania Feb 3, 1865
7 West Virginia Feb 3, 1865
8 Missouri Feb 6, 1865
9 Maine Feb 7, 1865
10 Kansas Feb 7, 1865
11 Massachusetts Feb 7, 1865
12 Virginia Feb 9, 1865
13 Ohio Feb 10, 1865
14 Indiana Feb 13, 1865
15 Nevada Feb 16, 1865
16 Louisiana Feb 17, 1865
17 Minnesota Feb 23, 1865
18 Wisconsin Feb 24, 1865
19 Vermont Mar 8, 1865
20 Tennessee Apr 7, 1865
21 Arkansas Apr 14, 1865
22 Connecticut May 4, 1865
23 New Hampshire Jul 1, 1865
24 South Carolina Nov 13, 1865
25 Alabama Dec 2, 1865
26 North Carolina Dec 4, 1865
27 Georgia Dec 6, 1865 *
28 Oregon Dec 8, 1865
29 California Dec 19, 1865
30 Florida Dec 28, 1865
31 Iowa Jan 15, 1866
32 New Jersey Jan 23, 1866
33 Texas Feb 18, 1870
34 Delaware Feb 12, 1901
35 Kentucky Mar 18, 1976
36 Mississippi Mar 16, 1995 *
Ratified in 309 days
* Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but the state didn't officially notify the US Archivist until 2012, when the ratification finally became official.

I bolded all of the states that I mentioned in the post you quoted. As you can see every single one of them ratified the 13th amendment after Virginia (as I stated)...and it's YOUR list. I also mentioned that Delaware didn't ratify the amendment until the 1900's (which your list agrees with)...so what portion of my post wasn't factual?

 

[danielpalos]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.
The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

so what? the US had a Constitutional plan to end slavery.

Virginia ratified the 13th amendment on Feb. 9 1965. The following states ratified the amendment on a later date: Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada. Delaware actually rejected it, and it wasn't ratified until the 1900's. The above are all facts.

I'm not naive enough to say that slavery had no part in the war (it did), but I'm also not ignorant to say that it was the sole reason, or even the main reason (at the start of the war).

just right wing special pleading? read the rest, of the thread.

I posted facts, if you have a problem with them-I can't help you.

read a few pages back.