Not good with that dictionary stuff huh, nevertheless physiology. But I guess the double digit IQ crowd, nonetheless, has OPINIONS.
Yeah...logic is difficult for some people to comprehend.
When you kill a human being with premeditation, what have you done?
I don't believe "human being at conception" so that angle isn't going to work with me.
Well again, you lack logic.
If the fetus is not a human being, what the **** is it?
No actually I'm quite logical, really all I have due to my syn (emotions are colors to me)
Basically I don't see humans as "divine" or "special" and "more deserving of life" as you (presumably) do. While I do think that humans have the /capacity/ to be 'more than just animals' - not all "humans" are innately worthy of the classification of "special" or "more deserving of life" - as such, just as animals sometimes eat their offspring (after birth no less) when they can't properly care for them - I see humans having the option to choose not to have them/not to raise them. Is it disgusting? Yeah. Is it "inhuman" in the broad sense? Yeah. Is it "unnatural"? No. Is it murder in the legal sense? Debatable IMO.
I agree with much of that, but where did the nonsense of humans being divine or special come from? Is that an effort to justify the wanton mass murder of the unborn? Otherwise, it is completely unrelated to our discussion.
Of course abortion is murder, disgusting, and inhuman. Who said it was unnatural?
You are all over the board.
Not really. The idea that humans are "special" is derived in religious belief, though it is true that some non-religious folks believe in a similar concept - if you happen to be the latter, that's fine, merely a bit more uncommon.
On the subject of the classification of murder: Do you believe that all wars, and the murders that occur, should be banned, or are some necessary, or at the very least, unavoidable? Do you classify a mother lion, wolf, lynx, bird, (etc., etc.) eating their young as "murderers"? Do you believe that male lions who kill the cubs of prior pride males are "murderers"? Do you believe that a predator animal who eats a pray animal is a "murderer"? Do you feel that every time we humans put down a dog, cat, or horse, flush a goldfish, or eat a cow, chicken, etc. we're "murderers?" Do you believe that all the pound workers and vets who put dogs and cats to sleep are "murderers"? How about Fish and Wildlife folks who put dangerous bears down?
I suggest, and imply, that if you do not believe animals are "murderers," nor humans "murderers" for killing them, then you do indeed believe that humans are somehow "more special" and "deserving of life" than animals are. I, on the other hand, do /not/ believe that humans in general are "special" in that way, we are animals pure and simple - and while some of us do have the capacity to "rise above" that base animal nature, not all of us do.
To make a distinction between "animals" and "humans" (as you seem to do) one must admit either "humans are special" or "divinity of some kind" - I simply argue that even if humans are special in some way, a human who offs their own offspring (born or not) is not worthy of that classification, nor would their offspring likely be brought to such elevation either. I mean, seriously, lets get down to brass tacks here. IF you consider said mothers as "murderers" why the bloody **** do you want them raising children, presumably with similar "murderous" views and beliefs? That's counter-productive to your goals and "illogical" if you ask me.
