Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's probably worth repeating for the 12th time.... We are generating electricity today from non-solar sources. Those sources do not capture solar radiation. So if we replace those sources with solar panels which do capture solar radiation then the net effect will be a cooling of the planet relative to using those other sources.

If anyone said the heat released by burning fossil fuels was an issue......you'd have a point.
Is anyone saying that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

By that logic I couldn't use IPCC's data to reach a different conclusion than the IPCC yet I do that too.

If you made a claim and posted an IPCC link that said the opposite, I'd still laugh at you.

 

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That seems like a standard response of the global warming crowd

To point out that your sources didn't back your claim? LOL!

the conservation of energy requires any solar radiation that is converted into electricity will result in less solar radiation reaching the surface of the planet.

Right. Less heat from less sunlight hitting the surface, more heat from the electricity generated.
At best, nets out. At worst, the darker solar panels absorb more sunlight.

Sure I did.

Less heat reaching the surface of the earth, the same electricity being produced, same loses to the atmosphere which don't actually heat the surface of the planet and are less than the heat from the solar radiation that was converted into electricity.

 

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If you made a claim and posted an IPCC link that said the opposite, I'd still laugh at you.

That's because you have an external locus of control and can't help normalizing your deviance.

 

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If anyone said the heat released by burning fossil fuels was an issue......you'd have a point.
Is anyone saying that?

You mean the heat from fossil fuels that generates electricity and is used in powering electrical devices that has your panties in a wad? That heat?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure I did.

Less heat reaching the surface of the earth, the same electricity being produced, same loses to the atmosphere which don't actually heat the surface of the planet and are less than the heat from the solar radiation that was converted into electricity.

Sure I did.

Did what? Besides post 3 links that disagreed with your claim?

Less heat reaching the surface of the earth

Unless the panels are dark, then there's more heat.

same loses to the atmosphere which don't actually heat the surface of the planet

Surface? Heating the air doesn't count?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's because you have an external locus of control and can't help normalizing your deviance.

Still no backup for your claim? LOL!

Maybe post an engineering source?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean the heat from fossil fuels that generates electricity and is used in powering electrical devices that has your panties in a wad? That heat?

Who's complaining about that?

 

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Sure I did.

Did what? Besides post 3 links that disagreed with your claim?

Less heat reaching the surface of the earth

Unless the panels are dark, then there's more heat.

same loses to the atmosphere which don't actually heat the surface of the planet

Surface? Heating the air doesn't count?

Did what? Besides post 3 links that disagreed with your claim?

Explained it in exquisite detail that went over your head,

Unless the panels are dark, then there's more heat.

Doesn't work that way, Einstein. FLoT and all.

Surface? Heating the air doesn't count?

Not when it's in both cases.

 

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Still no backup for your claim? LOL!

Maybe post an engineering source?

 

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Who's complaining about that?

You are, but it's more like crying. But I'm not judging.

 

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This is me teaching Todd about fractional reserves all over again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did what? Besides post 3 links that disagreed with your claim?

Explained it in exquisite detail that went over your head,

Unless the panels are dark, then there's more heat.

Doesn't work that way, Einstein. FLoT and all.

Surface? Heating the air doesn't count?

Not when it's in both cases.

To recap.......


First link.....We find that solar panels alone induce regional cooling by converting incoming solar energy to electricity in comparison to the climate without solar panels. The conversion of this electricity to heat, primarily in urban areas, increases regional and global temperatures which compensate the cooling effect.

Second link.....While the black surfaces of solar panels absorb most of the sunlight that reaches them, only a fraction (around 15 percent) of that incoming energy gets converted to electricity. The rest is returned to the environment as heat. The panels are usually much darker than the ground they cover, so a vast expanse of solar cells will absorb a lot of additional energy and emit it as heat, affecting the climate.

Third link.....In urban areas, the effects were a little different. In the first simulation, the model predicted a very small amount of cooling, with temperature falling approximately 0.26 degrees Celsius. In the second simulation, the one in which global thermostat regulation is significantly increased, the large amount of power consumed actually produced an urban heat island effect, in which human energy use releases heat into the environment and causes the regional temperature to warm up. In this scenario, the warming from the heat island effect essentially compensated for the cooling caused by the solar panels.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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The cover doesn't help your claim.

 

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When I see these idiots espousing solar energy for anything more than powering a calculator I automatically know they don't know their ass from a hole about energy generation. Just silliness.

 

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To recap.......


First link.....We find that solar panels alone induce regional cooling by converting incoming solar energy to electricity in comparison to the climate without solar panels. The conversion of this electricity to heat, primarily in urban areas, increases regional and global temperatures which compensate the cooling effect.

Second link.....While the black surfaces of solar panels absorb most of the sunlight that reaches them, only a fraction (around 15 percent) of that incoming energy gets converted to electricity. The rest is returned to the environment as heat. The panels are usually much darker than the ground they cover, so a vast expanse of solar cells will absorb a lot of additional energy and emit it as heat, affecting the climate.

Third link.....In urban areas, the effects were a little different. In the first simulation, the model predicted a very small amount of cooling, with temperature falling approximately 0.26 degrees Celsius. In the second simulation, the one in which global thermostat regulation is significantly increased, the large amount of power consumed actually produced an urban heat island effect, in which human energy use releases heat into the environment and causes the regional temperature to warm up. In this scenario, the warming from the heat island effect essentially compensated for the cooling caused by the solar panels.

Arm waving. No science behind it whatsoever. If anything it shows how corrupted they are and how gullible some are. Sad.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are, but it's more like crying. But I'm not judging.

No, I don't give a shit about burning fossil fuels heating the planet.

 

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The cover doesn't help your claim.

Have you taken a thermo class?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is me teaching Todd about fractional reserves all over again.

Did I smack you around on that topic as well?

Not a surprise.

 

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No, I don't give a shit about burning fossil fuels heating the planet.

But you care about the evil electricity that is heating up the planet, right chicken little?