Populism Vs. Conservatism. Post-Trump, Which Way will the GOP Go?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Then why are all of you so worried about it?

For years you lefties keep claiming the GOP is dead. That MAGA is dead. Yet you have to dump Dem propaganda threads every day, basically begging all of us to “leave Trump”.

MAGA has been a faulty constructed movement with incompatible components and is falling apart. The GOP is evolving,

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/06/1197887694/mike-pence-donald-trump-populism-conservatism-free-market-republican-party

At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"

So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.

The Gop isnt worth saving. It has lost any sense of decency and will always be known as the insurrection party.

 

[22lcidw]

The Gop isnt worth saving. It has lost any sense of decency and will always be known as the insurrection party.

Commercials on American TV are mostly lawyers, donations and medications. Explain to me why there is HIV/AIDS medications constantly part of that. That is a behavior disease. That is a plague. Tell me different. I am open minded and know that there are many close minded and obnoxious. This is not the clap.

 

[theHawk]

MAGA has been a faulty constructed movement with incompatible components and is falling apart. The GOP is evolving,

Sure it is. It is evolving by dumping the Bush-Romney-McShitStain types.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sure it is. It is evolving by dumping the Bush-Romney-McShitStain types.

They won't be dumped is the point. The party is evovling beyond the MAGA disruption,.

 

[theHawk]

They won't be dumped is the point. The party is evovling beyond the MAGA disruption,.

^^ says the lefty that hates Republicans.

 

[lennypartiv]

They won't be dumped is the point. The party is evovling beyond the MAGA disruption,.

A significant percentage of GOP voters in 2016 and 2020 voted that way because they wanted the border wall built. The GOP would be stupid to ignore those voters.

 

[j-mac]

If this is populism, then populism is about victimhood, paranoia and ignorance.

You don't fix problems by going caveman, following a cult and destroying institutions.

Well, you poor little victim you….lol

 

[Mac1958]

Well, you poor little victim you….lol

 

[j-mac]

I’m not the one crying, leg humper….lol

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

^^ says the lefty that hates Republicans.

You are loopy. I would vote for Christie or Haley, before Newsom, etc. We need to eliminate MAGA completely,

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGAdonuts just crybaby all the time. It's over, Orange. It's over, Orange, for you. It's done.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They won't be dumped is the point. The party is evovling beyond the MAGA disruption,.

They are already dumped. Have you seen how they are doing in primary polling against Trump and DeSantis?

Some of the older Senators are hanging on in their dotage because of the length of their terms and the entrenched nature of the Senate which has a better re-election percentage for incumbents than the Old Soviet Politburo did.

They will die off and the new generation who isn't beholden to the Military-Industrial-Security-Complex will take over.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

They are already dumped. Have you seen how they are doing in primary polling against Trump and DeSantis?

Some of the older Senators are hanging on in their dotage because of the length of their terms and the entrenched nature of the Senate which has a better re-election percentage for incumbents than the Old Soviet Politburo did.

They will die off and the new generation who isn't beholden to the Military-Industrial-Security-Complex will take over.

No, they are not dumped. Watch them mess up McCarthy's attempt at impeachment. Old MAGA will die off.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, they are not dumped. Watch them mess up McCarthy's attempt at impeachment. Old MAGA will die off.

Here is all that will soon be left for Never Trump Republicans:

A Moderate Anti-Trump Republican Who Got Fed Up With the Senate Has Retirement Advice for Mitt Romney.

On his way to the golf course, former Sen. Bob Corker explained why the Senate has become miserable for politicians seeking bipartisan work.

www.politico.com

You know what is meant by "politicians seeking bipartisan work" right? It means Republicans seeking ways to surrender to Democrats. Being called out on that is the real reason that Never-Trumpers in the Senate hate the Donald so much.

It may be a cottage industry, people like Corker and Romney advising Never Trumpers how to retire gracefully just prior to being primaried into oblivion.

 

[dblack]

 

[lennypartiv]

No, they are not dumped. Watch them mess up McCarthy's attempt at impeachment. Old MAGA will die off.

They will stop the impeachment at some point because nobody wants Kamala to be president.

 

[GMCGeneral]

You are loopy. I would vote for Christie or Haley, before Newsom, etc. We need to eliminate MAGA completely,

No, we don't. We need to eliminate the useless Democrat-Lyte RINOs you support, fucking Communist!.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, we don't. We need to eliminate the useless Democrat-Lyte RINOs you support, fucking Communist!.

A complete elimination of MAGA would be God's gift to Americans.

 

[dblack]

The ship already sailed. The wrestling fans won.