Popular vote for POTUS under our current system would violate equal protection

[Rustic]

For you retards who just gobble down whatever bullshit your propaganda mills shovel into your mouths, California driver's licenses for illegals say in all caps "FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY" in the upper right hand corner.

You can't miss it.

So explain how such a person would be able to vote, retards.

That's how moronic that state is, while they should have the right to make their own state laws… They are still asking for it, letting fucking illegal aliens drive legally with licenses. That's why they call it crazy Cali...

 

[BULLDOG]

I've read your posts. Yes, you are all about willfully stupid. You made the claim. Either prove it or admit it was just something you heard from other RWNJs. As far as pointing out the right's decision to forget about family values to allow trump's lesbian stripper wife, family values are still in your platform. You haven't even had time to drop that yet.

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

Sorry you need proof that they are all voting on a massive scale...

Please offer that or it's back to bullshit mountain for you...

I do? Or what? This should be interesting.

My standard is I do my own searching before asking questions. I apply that same standard to people who ask me stupid questions. I don't give a shit what your standard is, tough guy

Great. That should make it really easy for you to show proof that California actively floods their system with illegal voters.

You mean how you proved that Trump ran on family values and that conservatives abhor skin and are prudes by watching Fox News and all the hot, minimally dressed hotties they have?

Like that?

Nope. Not like that. I never made any of those claims. The voices in your head might be confusing you. Go back and reread what I did say.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If the Electoral College is equal protection, why are the citizens of some states more equal than the citizens of other states in NATIONAL elections?

If all the voters in CA moved to another state, their NATIONAL vote would count differently, for example.

That is NOT equal protection.

Especially if 4 million Mexican nationals moved back to Mexico....

 

[HappyJoy]

Still conspiracy central I see.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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No, you're the fraud. It's a laugh riot how easily you believe rwnj talking points.

Funny how one of us posts peer reviewed citations, and the other is you...

You're a hack, but not real bright, Rati.

 

[kaz]

I don't cater to willful stupidity, BULLSHIT.

I do like it from the guy who can't show Trump ran on family values while you call for women to wear maxis because seeing all that skin just reminds you what you aren't getting.

I even keep pointing you to Fox, the conservative news channel with all the conservative women showing lots of skin and you whiff on that too.

Now you want a link for basic information you could easily find yourself? LOL, yeah ...

I've read your posts. Yes, you are all about willfully stupid. You made the claim. Either prove it or admit it was just something you heard from other RWNJs. As far as pointing out the right's decision to forget about family values to allow trump's lesbian stripper wife, family values are still in your platform. You haven't even had time to drop that yet.

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

You didn't claim they were friendly. You claimed that they actively flooded their system with illegal voters. Two drastically different things. Why are you trying to weasel out of it? Present your proof.

You get a drivers license, you can use that to register to vote. Easily verifiable, I don't need to cure your ignorance for you, especially since you love it so

That's what happens when you only watch fox. You heard that claim, but they didn't bother to find out the facts or to present them after that claim
get someone to read the following and explain it to you.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections
While critics of the New Motor Voter Act fear that undocumented people may slip through the loopholes and get registered to vote, it's false to say that California has made it legal for undocumented people to vote. In fact, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla said that the new law is actually more secure:

The way automatic registration works is relatively simple: Eligible citizens are registered to vote when they show up at a Department of Motor Vehicles office to obtain a driver's license or state ID. The DMV gives the eligible voter a chance to opt out if they prefer not to register. If the person does not opt out, the DMV electronically transfers their voter registration information to the Secretary of State's office, rather than making election officials enter data by hand from paper registration forms...

"... Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury," Padilla said.

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.

See, you could find it as I said if you put any effort into it. Illegals can legally get a drivers license. They are then automatically set up to vote unless they say not to register them. And if they don't, there is no process to take away their ability to illegally vote. Well done

 

[kaz]

Read the first sentence of my op and address it, or don't, but I'm not going to debate you ignoring it. Read the sentence, think about it, and explain your view that equal protection isn't required in voting when the SC says it is

I did, states run their own elections, the Supreme Court said that the recount did not provide equal protection within a statewide election. You are making an assumption that a national popular vote wouldn't be run by 50 individual states plus D.C.

What is your source that a national popular vote would be unconstitutional (assuming the electoral college was amended out)?

Read the OP

I already told you I did. It doesn't answer the question. So, what is your source?

You're a level of stupid that is insurmountable.

The SCOTUS ruled 7-2 that in State elections that all voters in the State have to have access to the same rules.

You're like duh, dar, so why would all the voters in the nation need the same rules in a national election? Drool, hic.

I have nothing that would satisfy you as you are just a Democrat shill with no intellectual integrity

Yes, the Supreme Court said all votes in the same state have to be treated equally and you are taking that and assuming if we went to a national popular vote that all states have to run their elections the same. Why? What is your source?

The other matter is that SOCTUS also specifically stated that this decision has no precedential value.

Sorry, I can't take your conspiracy laden OP as an authoritative source on election law. So, what is your source?

You're an amusing little man. Duh, dar, so the scotus said voters have to be treated equally by the States in Statewide elections. Drool, so why would national voters have to be treated equally in a national election? You're so dumb it's funny

 

[Uncensored2008]

Still conspiracy central I see.

Still a hack retard, I see...

 

[kaz]

The Supreme Court voted 7-2 that the Florida recount violated equal protection by treating voters in different counties with different standards. Clearly our current system nationally would violate equal protection. Three huge problems would have to be fixed to make popular vote even Constitutional.

1) Voting equipment. All States would have to have the same voting equipment

2) Voting rules. Early voting, voting by mail, voting hours, counting under votes, registration rules and all the other rules around voting would have to be standardized

3) Voter registration requirements. We range from California which actively recruits illegal voters to States that are requiring IDs to combat fraud would have to be standardized

The reason now States can vary is that they only need to be consistent within their State. For a national popular vote, that wouldn't work. California actively floods their system with illegal voters. Clearly that would violate equal protection for responsible States. You up for stopping that, liberals?

Would not the Electoral College be the biggest violation.... one vote worth 2.5 times another...

Seems all were not created equal...

No, because in the EV, States vote for President, not individual citizens. In PV citizens are voting for President so equal protection would apply.

And more directly, the EV is in the Constitution and PV isn't. Seriously, you're arguing the Constitution is Unconstitutional? Now that's funny

So you say they are state votes for a state decision and then want them to be ruled federally...

Not very consistent today.. Back to Bullshit Mountain for you...

That doesn't make sense, can you translate from Bull Shit to English? Who do I want to be "ruled federally?" I never said any such thing

 

[HappyJoy]

I did, states run their own elections, the Supreme Court said that the recount did not provide equal protection within a statewide election. You are making an assumption that a national popular vote wouldn't be run by 50 individual states plus D.C.

What is your source that a national popular vote would be unconstitutional (assuming the electoral college was amended out)?

Read the OP

I already told you I did. It doesn't answer the question. So, what is your source?

You're a level of stupid that is insurmountable.

The SCOTUS ruled 7-2 that in State elections that all voters in the State have to have access to the same rules.

You're like duh, dar, so why would all the voters in the nation need the same rules in a national election? Drool, hic.

I have nothing that would satisfy you as you are just a Democrat shill with no intellectual integrity

Yes, the Supreme Court said all votes in the same state have to be treated equally and you are taking that and assuming if we went to a national popular vote that all states have to run their elections the same. Why? What is your source?

The other matter is that SOCTUS also specifically stated that this decision has no precedential value.

Sorry, I can't take your conspiracy laden OP as an authoritative source on election law. So, what is your source?

You're an amusing little man. Duh, dar, so the scotus said voters have to be treated equally by the States in Statewide elections. Drool, so why would national voters have to be treated equally in a national election? You're so dumb it's funny

Yeah, why? You still haven't answered it.

You're so dumb you assume voters in the same state have to use the same voting equipment. You say that in your post, it's not true. You don't even know what you're talking about.

What is your source?

 

[rightwinger]

Equal protection?

Why does someone's vote in Wyoming count four times what it does in California?

Equal protection is one man/one vote
Counts the same wherever you are

 

[kaz]

I don't cater to willful stupidity, BULLSHIT.

I do like it from the guy who can't show Trump ran on family values while you call for women to wear maxis because seeing all that skin just reminds you what you aren't getting.

I even keep pointing you to Fox, the conservative news channel with all the conservative women showing lots of skin and you whiff on that too.

Now you want a link for basic information you could easily find yourself? LOL, yeah ...

I've read your posts. Yes, you are all about willfully stupid. You made the claim. Either prove it or admit it was just something you heard from other RWNJs. As far as pointing out the right's decision to forget about family values to allow trump's lesbian stripper wife, family values are still in your platform. You haven't even had time to drop that yet.

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

You didn't claim they were friendly. You claimed that they actively flooded their system with illegal voters. Two drastically different things. Why are you trying to weasel out of it? Present your proof.

Present your proof that Trump ran on family values. You don't answer questions, you don't get to ask them and expect an answer

I never said Trump ran on family values. I said the right gave him a pass

So they didn't hold a guy not running on family values to a family values standard. Wow, you have them ... LOL.

And you never did explain all the scantily clad Fox News hotties either. Admit that skin just bothers you because it reminds you that your political enemies are getting more than you are

 

[BULLDOG]

I've read your posts. Yes, you are all about willfully stupid. You made the claim. Either prove it or admit it was just something you heard from other RWNJs. As far as pointing out the right's decision to forget about family values to allow trump's lesbian stripper wife, family values are still in your platform. You haven't even had time to drop that yet.

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

You didn't claim they were friendly. You claimed that they actively flooded their system with illegal voters. Two drastically different things. Why are you trying to weasel out of it? Present your proof.

You get a drivers license, you can use that to register to vote. Easily verifiable, I don't need to cure your ignorance for you, especially since you love it so

That's what happens when you only watch fox. You heard that claim, but they didn't bother to find out the facts or to present them after that claim
get someone to read the following and explain it to you.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections
While critics of the New Motor Voter Act fear that undocumented people may slip through the loopholes and get registered to vote, it's false to say that California has made it legal for undocumented people to vote. In fact, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla said that the new law is actually more secure:

The way automatic registration works is relatively simple: Eligible citizens are registered to vote when they show up at a Department of Motor Vehicles office to obtain a driver's license or state ID. The DMV gives the eligible voter a chance to opt out if they prefer not to register. If the person does not opt out, the DMV electronically transfers their voter registration information to the Secretary of State's office, rather than making election officials enter data by hand from paper registration forms...

"... Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury," Padilla said.

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.

See, you could find it as I said if you put any effort into it. Illegals can legally get a drivers license. They are then automatically set up to vote unless they say not to register them. And if they don't, there is no process to take away their ability to illegally vote. Well done

That's why I said to get someone to explain what it says. I knew your comprehension wasn't that good. If nothing else, go to the top of the link page where you will see

CLAIM: California passed a law to allow undocumented immigrants to vote.

FALSE

That's Snopes.com way of saying you are wrong.

 

[S.J.]

^bullshit claim

Data?

You idjits don't know about California and drivers licenses, welfare, free healthcare, government educations and the rights of citizenship for illegals? Seriously? I'd think even a Democrat in the UK would know that

Oh Goodie. Please present your proof that California actively floods their system with illegal voters. Feel free to present any sources you like, but the crazy ones will be laughed at.

You may see that proof if Trump's justice department does an investigation (and they should). We know the Democrats will never do it.

So no proof now?

No amount of proof will ever be good enough for you but there are plenty of people who have seen it first hand (me included). Just because we have a criminal administration in office right now, and is unwilling to investigate voter fraud because it's his party that is committing it, doesn't mean the next administration won't. Stay tuned, where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[kaz]

I don't cater to willful stupidity, BULLSHIT.

I do like it from the guy who can't show Trump ran on family values while you call for women to wear maxis because seeing all that skin just reminds you what you aren't getting.

I even keep pointing you to Fox, the conservative news channel with all the conservative women showing lots of skin and you whiff on that too.

Now you want a link for basic information you could easily find yourself? LOL, yeah ...

I've read your posts. Yes, you are all about willfully stupid. You made the claim. Either prove it or admit it was just something you heard from other RWNJs. As far as pointing out the right's decision to forget about family values to allow trump's lesbian stripper wife, family values are still in your platform. You haven't even had time to drop that yet.

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

You didn't claim they were friendly. You claimed that they actively flooded their system with illegal voters. Two drastically different things. Why are you trying to weasel out of it? Present your proof.

Present your proof that Trump ran on family values. You don't answer questions, you don't get to ask them and expect an answer

That is off topic... You been called on your statement, can you back it up?

Yes

 

[kaz]

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

You didn't claim they were friendly. You claimed that they actively flooded their system with illegal voters. Two drastically different things. Why are you trying to weasel out of it? Present your proof.

You get a drivers license, you can use that to register to vote. Easily verifiable, I don't need to cure your ignorance for you, especially since you love it so

That's what happens when you only watch fox. You heard that claim, but they didn't bother to find out the facts or to present them after that claim
get someone to read the following and explain it to you.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections
While critics of the New Motor Voter Act fear that undocumented people may slip through the loopholes and get registered to vote, it's false to say that California has made it legal for undocumented people to vote. In fact, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla said that the new law is actually more secure:

The way automatic registration works is relatively simple: Eligible citizens are registered to vote when they show up at a Department of Motor Vehicles office to obtain a driver's license or state ID. The DMV gives the eligible voter a chance to opt out if they prefer not to register. If the person does not opt out, the DMV electronically transfers their voter registration information to the Secretary of State's office, rather than making election officials enter data by hand from paper registration forms...

"... Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury," Padilla said.

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.

See, you could find it as I said if you put any effort into it. Illegals can legally get a drivers license. They are then automatically set up to vote unless they say not to register them. And if they don't, there is no process to take away their ability to illegally vote. Well done

That's why I said to get someone to explain what it says. I knew your comprehension wasn't that good. If nothing else, go to the top of the link page where you will see

CLAIM: California passed a law to allow undocumented immigrants to vote.

FALSE

That's Snopes.com way of saying you are wrong.

That would be a good argument if I said California passed a law allowing them to vote. Unfortunately for your argument, I didn't say that

 

[kaz]

You want proof that California is illegal friendly and you say I'm willfully stupid. Grow a pair, Nancy, you're a joke

Sorry you need proof that they are all voting on a massive scale...

Please offer that or it's back to bullshit mountain for you...

I do? Or what? This should be interesting.

My standard is I do my own searching before asking questions. I apply that same standard to people who ask me stupid questions. I don't give a shit what your standard is, tough guy

Great. That should make it really easy for you to show proof that California actively floods their system with illegal voters.

You mean how you proved that Trump ran on family values and that conservatives abhor skin and are prudes by watching Fox News and all the hot, minimally dressed hotties they have?

Like that?

Nope. Not like that. I never made any of those claims. The voices in your head might be confusing you. Go back and reread what I did say.

You said Republicans are sexual prudes who can't stand to see women's skin. It turns out you were referring to yourself ...

 

[BULLDOG]

Data?

You idjits don't know about California and drivers licenses, welfare, free healthcare, government educations and the rights of citizenship for illegals? Seriously? I'd think even a Democrat in the UK would know that

Oh Goodie. Please present your proof that California actively floods their system with illegal voters. Feel free to present any sources you like, but the crazy ones will be laughed at.

You may see that proof if Trump's justice department does an investigation (and they should). We know the Democrats will never do it.

So no proof now?

No amount of proof will ever be good enough for you but there are plenty of people who have seen it first hand (me included). Just because we have a criminal administration in office right now, and is unwilling to investigate voter fraud because it's his party that is committing it, doesn't mean the next administration won't. Stay tuned, where there's smoke, there's fire.

No, really. Any credible proof would do. Of course you have none.

 

[BlindBoo]

Not really. States can decide to bind their electors to the national popular vote.

National Popular Vote

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

Sure they can. That's not a popular vote for President though, so it's irrelevant to the thread

If the number of states that pass such a law reaches the 270 electoral mark then it most certainly would be. They only need a combination of states with 105 more to enact that.

It would do so without the need for a Constitutional Amendment.

The Constitution enables the states to decide how they choose their electors.

EV isn't PV, what is wrong with you?

If enough states legally bind their EV's to the nation wide PV then the winner will be based on the PV total of all 50 states(and D.C). They have states with 165 EV's now and need only 105 more.

No, it's still EV where States decided the criteria for their EV votes, it is not PV. PV is citizens voting directly for President.

EV is States voting for POTUS
PV is citizens voting for POTUS

You are still clearly in an EV system which is not the topic of the thread. States can do what you say, sure. But it's not PV

It will accomplish the same thing as an amendment without having to worry about 1, 2, or 3 of you list. Makes them a moot point. It would base the EV on the Nationwide PV.

 

[kaz]

Read the OP

I already told you I did. It doesn't answer the question. So, what is your source?

You're a level of stupid that is insurmountable.

The SCOTUS ruled 7-2 that in State elections that all voters in the State have to have access to the same rules.

You're like duh, dar, so why would all the voters in the nation need the same rules in a national election? Drool, hic.

I have nothing that would satisfy you as you are just a Democrat shill with no intellectual integrity

Yes, the Supreme Court said all votes in the same state have to be treated equally and you are taking that and assuming if we went to a national popular vote that all states have to run their elections the same. Why? What is your source?

The other matter is that SOCTUS also specifically stated that this decision has no precedential value.

Sorry, I can't take your conspiracy laden OP as an authoritative source on election law. So, what is your source?

You're an amusing little man. Duh, dar, so the scotus said voters have to be treated equally by the States in Statewide elections. Drool, so why would national voters have to be treated equally in a national election? You're so dumb it's funny

Yeah, why? You still haven't answered it.

You're so dumb you assume voters in the same state have to use the same voting equipment. You say that in your post, it's not true. You don't even know what you're talking about.

What is your source?

Voting methods and equipment by state - Ballotpedia