Poll for Trump Supporters: Will you push back if he goes full fascist?

[toomuchtime_]

I'm not looking for a bunch of denials here. I know you think he won't. The question is, "What if he does?". Will you withdraw your support? Will you fight back? Do you have the courage to answer?

It's this kind of stupidity that cost the Democrats the election.

 

[AntonToo]

It's this kind of stupidity that cost the Democrats the election.

Can't answer, can you?

 

[Monoculturalist]

Hmmm could you think of ANYTHING going on in 2020 that could possibly cause people to vote more?

Anything special at all come to mind?

Maybe like a HISTORIC PANDEMIC that had alot more people sitting at home not particularly busy with anything?

You really think a pandemic would make people more inclined to vote, especially when you consider the fear of going out among many people? A lot of people did engage in mail-in voting, but that still doesn't explain the massive surge. You'd basically have to assume that lockdowns and such somehow inspired people to vote at an absurdly higher rate. Some areas had close to 100% turnout, which should definitely arouse suspicion.

 

[AntonToo]

You really think a pandemic would make people more inclined to vote, especially when you consider the fear of going out among many people? A lot of people did engage in mail-in voting, but that still doesn't explain the massive surge. You'd basically have to assume that lockdowns and such somehow inspired people to vote at an absurdly higher rate. Some areas had close to 100% turnout, which should definitely arouse suspicion.

I think there are many reasons for total vote to flactuate by a few % and what your argument adds up to is ludecrous special pleading.

When there are less votes in CA you don't think that proves fraud. When in the same election there are less votes in GA, you are sure it proves fraud.

In 2008 Obama got 5 million votes more than in 2012. Nobody ever claimed it was some sort of evidece of fraud - so whats different?

Nothing, the only difference is that Trump loves his country a lot less than he hates to admit that he lost.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Can't answer, can you?

I did answer and if you understood what the word fascist meant, you would realize what a stupid question it is. Harris lost the election because she relied on making these kinds of ridiculous allegations against Trump instead of proposing a positive agenda that addressed the concerns of voters.

 

[Monoculturalist]

I think there are many reasons for total vote to flactuate by a few % and what your argument adds up to is ludecrous special pleading.

When there are less votes in CA you don't think that proves fraud. When in the same election there are less votes in GA, you are sure it proves fraud.

In 2008 Obama got 5 million votes more than in 2012. Nobody ever claimed it was some sort of evidece of fraud - so whats different?

Nothing, the difference is that Trump loves his country a lot less than he hates to admit that he lost.

I'm trying to understand what you're getting at with "less votes in CA." The focus of fraud is excess votes, not a lack of them. If Trump somehow won CA by a narrow margin, you might have an argument that fraudulent votes for Trump were involved. It would certainly be an unexpected outcome for sure.

And yes, it's possible that Trump won this election via fraud. Maybe the margin of votes that allowed him to win the various swing states involved fraud on his side. Given the additional scrutiny involved in this election, I would be skeptical of that, but I can't rule it out.

As far as 2008 and 2012 go, fraud wasn't discussed as much, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. It might have. I've been suspicious of presidential elections ever since the hanging chad nonsense of 2000. I wasn't exactly a Bush fan (or a Gore one either).

 

[AntonToo]

I'm trying to understand what you're getting at with "less votes in CA." The focus of fraud is excess votes, not a lack of them.

All I can say is keep trying, I've reduced it to the simplest form possible.

"Less votes" is relative to...a year with MORE votes and vice versa.

Biden getting more votes in CA in 2020 is evidence of _____________
Biden getting more votes in GA in 2020 is evidence of _____________

If the words in _____ are not same, then you are commiting special pleading fallacy by definition.

 

[BackAgain]

All I can say is keep trying, I've reduced it to the simplest form possible.

"Less votes" is relative to...wait for it...a year with MORE votes.

Well, aren’t you just too stupid?

“Fewer votes” is relative to other things, too. Like, for example, fewer votes than anticipated where folks take notice of things like registration numbers, etc.

 

[Monoculturalist]

All I can say is keep trying, I've reduced it to the simplest form possible.

"Less votes" is relative to...a year with MORE votes and vice versa.

Biden getting more votes in CA in 2020 is evidence of _____________
Biden getting more votes in GA in 2020 is evidence of _____________

If the words in _____ are not same, then you are commiting special pleading fallacy by definition.

It's not really "special pleading" when the stakes are different. Biden didn't need to focus on maximizing votes in CA vs. doing so in GA. If we had a straight popular vote for the presidency, your argument would work. Since the Electoral College is what matters, fraudulent efforts will generally be aimed at a handful of states.

So while fraud can still potentially occur in CA (perhaps with regard to local offices), if we're focusing on the presidential election, CA isn't relevant.

And while it is true that CA did have substantially more votes in 2020 than in 2024, it could certainly be a case of fraud, but again, that wasn't my focus in the discussion. In short, the potential fraud involved is less consequential on the presidential level.

Special pleading in the context of this discussion would be me assuming that fraud can only be committed by Democrats. I haven't made that assumption.

 

[AntonToo]

It's not really "special pleading" when the stakes are different. Biden didn't need to focus on maximizing votes in CA vs. doing so in GA. If we had a straight popular vote for the presidency, your argument would work. Since the Electoral College is what matters, fraudulent efforts will generally be aimed at a handful of states.

So while fraud can still potentially occur in CA (perhaps with regard to local offices), if we're focusing on the presidential election, CA isn't relevant.

And while it is true that CA did have substantially more votes in 2020 than in 2024, it could certainly be a case of fraud, but again, that wasn't my focus in the discussion. In short, the potential fraud involved is less consequential on the presidential level.

Special pleading in the context of this discussion would be me assuming that fraud can only be committed by Democrats. I haven't made that assumption.

You are being dense - there was a national increase in voting rates in 2020 election, during a historic pandemic.

The phenomenon was not local to specific states of electoral significance, so saying that phenomenon was driven by electoral goals of some sort of neferious, undetectable conspiracy is incoherent. You don't run a vote fraud effort in CA to win in GA.

To me this is clear and obvious and I think your difficulty in realizing this is simply from not wanting to understand it.


You spoke about group-think among the left, yet right here you've shown yourself to be prey for mass rightwing delusions about 2020 election.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I'm not looking for a bunch of denials here. I know you think he won't. The question is, "What if he does?". Will you withdraw your support? Will you fight back? Do you have the courage to answer?

You don't know what fascism is historically. If Trump went genuinely, truly, FASCIST-MAGA, this country would recover from all of its current economic and social problems, within a year. True fascists are nationalist-populists, who force capitalists (the wealthy) to serve the nation with their businesses. It emphasizes the interests of labor (the backbone of every economy), before capital. Workers have to be well taken care of.

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Fascism ensures that everyone has a job that pays a living wage, so everyone has housing, food, etc. Fascism also invests heavily in national infrastructure and facilitates national self-sufficiency, freeing the nation from relying on other countries for anything (a.k.a. Autarky - economic independence/creative-productive sovereignty), especially goods and services that are vital to our nation's survival and growth. In fascism, everyone has access to a tuition-free public education, and healthcare.

Fascist Trump would deport all of the illegals, and clean the streets of this:

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He would force all of the drug addicts into rehab centers or psyche wards, whichever best applies. He would also provide emergency housing and other services to the homeless, like healthcare, job training, jobs..etc. He would also force all of the drug dealers and smugglers before a firing squad, after being convicted of the capital crime of illegal drug selling and/or smuggling. Spreading poison in our communities would become a criminal offense worthy of execution.

Fascist-Trump would end Wall Street, and nationalize the banks. The US economy would be based on manufacturing, production, and labor, rather than what it is today, based on speculative trading and finance—an economy run by hedge-fund managers, bankers, and Wall Street gambling.

Fascist Trump would nationalize the energy sector, and start building safe, modern nuclear electric plants, which would eventually in the future end our need to burn coal, gas and petrol. He would invest heavily in the research and development of the latest technologies in computer science, robotics, biotech, industrial mass-production, energy generation, public transportation..etc.

Fascism has zero tolerance for this:

Child abuse:

Children would be safe.

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Let this Jewish Rabbi explain it to you:

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Everything that undermines the family, public health, the economy..etc, is vomited out.

Leviticus 18:27-29​

Hebrew:כִּי אֶת-כָּל-הַתּוֹעֵבֹת הָאֵל עָשׂוּ אַנְשֵׁי הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר לִפְנֵיכֶם וַתִּטְמָא הָאָרֶץ׃
וְלֹא-תָקִיא הָאָרֶץ אֶתְכֶם בְּטַמֵּאֲכֶם אֹתָהּ כַּאֲשֶׁר קָאָה אֶת-הַגּוֹי אֲשֶׁר לִפְנֵיכֶם׃
כִּי כָּל-אֲשֶׁר יַעֲשֶׂה מִכֹּל הַתּוֹעֵבוֹת הָאֵלֶּה וְנִכְרְתוּ הַנְּפָשׁוֹת הָעֹשֹׂת מִקֶּרֶב עַמָּם׃​

English:"For all these abominations have the men of the land done, who were before you, and the land is defiled.
That the land not vomit you out when you defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people."

Music Festival attacked by Muslims - Oct 7th - Israeli Jews dancing around an idol.

Jeremiah 16:18
Hebrew:וּשִׁלַּמְתִּי רִאשׁוֹנָה מִשְׁנֵה עֲוֺנָם וְחַטָּאתָם עַל חַלְּלָם אֶת-אַרְצִי בְּנִבְלַת שִׁקּוּצֵיהֶם וְתוֹעֲבוֹתֵיהֶם מָלְאוּ אֶת-נַחֲלָתִי׃​

English:"I will first repay them double for their iniquity and their sin, because they have defiled My land with the carcasses of their detestable idols, and have filled My inheritance with their abominations."

Ezekiel 36:17-18​

Hebrew:בֶּן-אָדָם בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל יֹשְׁבִים עַל-אַדְמָתָם וַיְטַמְּאוּ אוֹתָהּ בְּדַרְכָּם וּבַעֲלִילוֹתָם כְּטֻמְאַת הַנִּדָּה הָיְתָה דַרְכָּם לְפָנָי׃
וָאֶשְׁפֹּךְ חֲמָתִי עֲלֵיהֶם עַל-הַדָּם אֲשֶׁר שָׁפְכוּ עַל-הָאָרֶץ וּבְגִלּוּלֵיהֶם טִמְּאוּהָ׃​

English:"Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their way and by their doings; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity. So I poured out My fury upon them for the blood which they had shed upon the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it."

If Trump becomes a REAL FASCIST, he will tell Netanyahu that the US isn't going to sacrifice its sons and daughters, fighting and dying in Iran for the Jewish State Of "Israel". He would let Netanyahu know that America is in charge, not Israhell. Trump is MAGA - MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN (AMERICA 1st), not MIGA - MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN (TO THE DETRIMENT OF AMERICA).

He would tell Netanyahu, that the Palestinians have for decades, agreed to only 20% of the land (West Bank, East Jerusalem & Gaza), and the Israeli anti-Christ Jews must take 80% of the Holy Land. 80/20 - 80% for the anti-Christ Jews who hate Jesus, and 20% for Christians and Muslims.

They hate the Goyim.. But he knows the ignorant dumbed down Useful Goyim will still support them!​

If the Zionist Jews refused to comply with the fascist Trump's demands, Israel would stop receiving its current welfare check from Uncle Sam and American weapons.

A truly fascist Trump would send AIPAC packing back to Israhell.​

That is "fascist Trump" and unfortunately I doubt he will ever go truly fascist. It would be great if he did.

 

[AntonToo]

You don't know what fascism is historically. If Trump went genuinely, truly, FASCIST-MAGA, this country would recover from all of its current economic and social problems, within a year. True fascists are nationalist-populists

How do you not realize that you are shitting yourself in public?

Nobody reads your batshit crazy posts and goes - "hmmm you know, that kinda makes sense!".

Nope, it's more like "wow, holy crap, this is what mental desease looks like"

 

[dblack]

You don't know what fascism is historically. ... [loads of bullshit]

Maybe not. But I know a paid propagandist when I see one. Your handle is perfect in its irony.

 

[Mac1958]

The funny ("funny" as in "fuck it, you may as well laugh") is that HIS OWN PEOPLE have said horrible things about him.

From his own Chief of Staff to RFK Jr to his own fucking INCOMING VICE PRESIDENT to his former Vice President, staff, lawyers, generals, Cabinet and Security Department officials.

These aren't Dems. These aren't commies. They're all just saying what they think, what they say, WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED.

So none of this Trumpster deflection bullshit and blaming the Dems is real.

 

[dblack]

So none of this Trumpster deflection bullshit and blaming the Dems is real.

I'm still blaming the dems. Historically, unhinged populists tend to ply their trade in the wake of a corrupt, disconnected regimes. Dems also fight to defend the dysfunctional two-party system that gives us such dismal "choices" every election, ensuring we stay mired in shit.

 

[TruthNotBS]

How do you not realize that you are shitting yourself in public?

Nobody reads your batshit crazy posts and goes - "hmmm you know, that kinda makes sense!".

Nope, it's more like "wow, holy crap, this is what mental desease looks like"

Why? Can you give me a few reasons why you're thinking that way about me? Tell me how and where I'm wrong, and on what issue. Cure me of my "mental disease", enlighten me.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Maybe not. But I know a paid propagandist when I see one. Your handle is perfect in its irony.

What evidence do you have that I'm a "paid propagandist"? Go ahead.

 

[dblack]

What evidence do you have that I'm a "paid propagandist"? Go ahead.

Purely circumstantial. If you're not, you do a great impersonation of a paid socialist agitator. Just here to stir up shit.

 

[daveman]

Tax evasion is a crime and IRS will make a criminal referal against you for a refusal to comply.

It is NOT a crime to refuse to address what gov suggests is misinformation on your site...

The government is full of shit. Leftists hate freedom of speech.

there is no criminal liability for refusal to co-operate.

Uh huh.

To think that two are same is just fucking dumb.

To think that the government is trustworthy to determine what is and what isn't true if fucking stupid.

 

[daveman]

....So you figure Harris got less votes in places like NY and CA because Democrats were cheating to beat Trump there in 2020?

When are you going to start using your damn head and stop posting stupid bullshit?

Oh, if only Harris had won, she could have "requested" the internet to remove opinions that make you afraid!