Zone1 Poll: Although the Tuskegee Airmen Accomplished What They Did BEFORE the Advent of DEI, Do you Consider Them Recipients of DEI?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So my observations indicate that the three innocuous letters - Delta, Echo and India ('DEI') invoke negative reactions from a subclass of white Americans, and at times, some others. They react to any encounter of this acronym much in the same way that they do to the acronym of BLM which unequivocally declares "Black Lives Matter!". Their reactions though are nothing more than conditioning, much like the conditioning of Pavlov's dogs.

So my question to you all is, despite DEI not having existed at the time of the Tuskegee Airman "experiment" (experiment because they were expected to fail, based on the assessment of various "studies" made during WWI & WWII), do you
1. considered them being allowed to learn to fly and "included" in the Allied war effort to be the "I" in DEI? Is this a good or bad thing from your perspective?
2. because their inclusion "diversified" the military although they were physically segregated, do you considered their inclusion as having diversified the military? Again, a
good or bad occurence?
3. So we already know that despite their stellar performance they still were not treated equitable with the other service men so we know this third prong was not met. Do you think that they should have been treated equitably? Why or why not?

Please provide support or at least your reasoning for your response:

"The Negro is an inherently inferior individual… emotionally unstable, lacks initiative, and is abjectly afraid of the dark. He cannot be trained
to fly military aircraft.”
- internal U.S. Army Air Corps and War Department memoranda

​

Pavlov’s Dogs – Classical Conditioning​

Ivan Pavlov, a Russian physiologist, was studying digestion in dogs when he made an unexpected discovery:​

• He noticed that dogs would start salivating not just when food was placed in their mouths, but even before—like when they saw the lab assistant or heard footsteps.

So he ran an experiment:​

1. Before conditioning:
   • Food = salivation (natural response)
   • Bell = no response
     
2. During conditioning:
   • Pavlov rang a bell, then immediately gave food
   • Repeated this pairing several times
     
3. After conditioning:
   • Just the sound of the bell caused the dogs to salivate—even with no food

What It Means:​

Pavlov discovered classical conditioning—where a neutral stimulus (the bell) becomes associated with an involuntary response (salivation) because it was repeatedly paired with a meaningful stimulus (food).​

​

It laid the foundation for modern behavioral psychology and how humans and animals learn from associations.​

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

What trump did was have them plug key words into a computer program without considering actual history. That's why the Enola Gay was called DEI.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What trump did was have them plug key words into a computer program without considering actual history. That's why the Enola Gay was called DEI.

I agree, I was explaining this to my mom just earlier today. And she retired from a supervisory systems analyst job so she knows the real deal as well.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

I agree, I was explaining this to my mom just earlier today. And she retired from a supervisory systems analyst job so she knows the real deal as well.

As far as I've seen everything they've erased is US military history that should be left untouched. I wonder how much it cost to name Fort Moore back to Fort Benning. So much for saving the American people money. I don't recall people celebrating the change.

 

[alang1216]

So my observations indicate that the three innocuous letters - Delta, Echo and India ('DEI') invoke negative reactions from a subclass of white Americans, and at times, some others. They react to any encounter of this acronym much in the same way that they do to the acronym of BLM which unequivocally declares "Black Lives Matter!". Their reactions though are nothing more than conditioning, much like the conditioning of Pavlov's dogs.

So my question to you all is, despite DEI not having existed at the time of the Tuskegee Airman "experiment" (experiment because they were expected to fail, based on the assessment of various "studies" made during WWI & WWII), do you
1. considered them being allowed to learn to fly and "included" in the Allied war effort to be the "I" in DEI? Is this a good or bad thing from your perspective?
2. because their inclusion "diversified" the military although they were physically segregated, do you considered their inclusion as having diversified the military? Again, a
good or bad occurence?
3. So we already know that despite their stellar performance they still were not treated equitable with the other service men so we know this third prong was not met. Do you think that they should have been treated equitably? Why or why not?

Please provide support or at least your reasoning for your response:

"The Negro is an inherently inferior individual… emotionally unstable, lacks initiative, and is abjectly afraid of the dark. He cannot be trained
to fly military aircraft.”
- internal U.S. Army Air Corps and War Department memoranda

View attachment 1092956

​

Pavlov’s Dogs – Classical Conditioning​

Ivan Pavlov, a Russian physiologist, was studying digestion in dogs when he made an unexpected discovery:​

• He noticed that dogs would start salivating not just when food was placed in their mouths, but even before—like when they saw the lab assistant or heard footsteps.

So he ran an experiment:​

1. Before conditioning:
   • Food = salivation (natural response)
   • Bell = no response
2. During conditioning:
   • Pavlov rang a bell, then immediately gave food
   • Repeated this pairing several times
3. After conditioning:
   • Just the sound of the bell caused the dogs to salivate—even with no food

What It Means:​

Pavlov discovered classical conditioning—where a neutral stimulus (the bell) becomes associated with an involuntary response (salivation) because it was repeatedly paired with a meaningful stimulus (food).​

​

It laid the foundation for modern behavioral psychology and how humans and animals learn from associations.​

As I understand it, Elenore lobbied FDR to allow Blacks into combat. Before that they served only as cooks, truck drivers, etc. So her DEI was a direct attack on the existing racism in the military. Good thing too since the Tuskegee airmen had the best record of any air unit in protecting US bombers over Germany.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So my observations indicate that the three innocuous letters - Delta, Echo and India ('DEI') invoke negative reactions from a subclass of white Americans, and at times, some others. They react to any encounter of this acronym much in the same way that they do to the acronym of BLM which unequivocally declares "Black Lives Matter!". Their reactions though are nothing more than conditioning, much like the conditioning of Pavlov's dogs.

So my question to you all is, despite DEI not having existed at the time of the Tuskegee Airman "experiment" (experiment because they were expected to fail, based on the assessment of various "studies" made during WWI & WWII), do you
1. considered them being allowed to learn to fly and "included" in the Allied war effort to be the "I" in DEI? Is this a good or bad thing from your perspective?
2. because their inclusion "diversified" the military although they were physically segregated, do you considered their inclusion as having diversified the military? Again, a
good or bad occurence?
3. So we already know that despite their stellar performance they still were not treated equitable with the other service men so we know this third prong was not met. Do you think that they should have been treated equitably? Why or why not?

Please provide support or at least your reasoning for your response:

"The Negro is an inherently inferior individual… emotionally unstable, lacks initiative, and is abjectly afraid of the dark. He cannot be trained
to fly military aircraft.”
- internal U.S. Army Air Corps and War Department memoranda

View attachment 1092956

​

Pavlov’s Dogs – Classical Conditioning​

Ivan Pavlov, a Russian physiologist, was studying digestion in dogs when he made an unexpected discovery:​

• He noticed that dogs would start salivating not just when food was placed in their mouths, but even before—like when they saw the lab assistant or heard footsteps.

So he ran an experiment:​

1. Before conditioning:
   • Food = salivation (natural response)
   • Bell = no response
2. During conditioning:
   • Pavlov rang a bell, then immediately gave food
   • Repeated this pairing several times
3. After conditioning:
   • Just the sound of the bell caused the dogs to salivate—even with no food

What It Means:​

Pavlov discovered classical conditioning—where a neutral stimulus (the bell) becomes associated with an involuntary response (salivation) because it was repeatedly paired with a meaningful stimulus (food).​

​

It laid the foundation for modern behavioral psychology and how humans and animals learn from associations.​

The Tuskegee Airmen were the opposite of DEI recipients. They had to fight for everything they received and, like all other black servicemen, had to be far better than the white enlisted/officers they competed with. They are a perfect example of why blacks don't need preferential treatment, like most people they will rise above adversity and achieve greatness.

 

[AZrailwhale]

As I understand it, Elenore lobbied FDR to allow Blacks into combat. Before that they served only as cooks, truck drivers, etc. So her DEI was a direct attack on the existing racism in the military. Good thing too since the Tuskegee airmen had the best record of any air unit in protecting US bombers over Germany.

Prior to Woodrow Wilson. there was no segregation in the military. He was the one who installed it and FDR championed it in WWII. Harry Truman ended military segregation.

 

[alang1216]

Prior to Woodrow Wilson. there was no segregation in the military. He was the one who installed it and FDR championed it in WWII. Harry Truman ended military segregation.

Not historically correct, sorry.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Not historically correct, sorry.

What part isn’t correct?

 

[alang1216]

What part isn’t correct?

"Prior to Woodrow Wilson. there was no segregation in the military. He was the one who installed it and FDR championed it in WWII." There was always segregation in our military until Truman.

 

[AZrailwhale]

"Prior to Woodrow Wilson. there was no segregation in the military. He was the one who installed it and FDR championed it in WWII." There was always segregation in our military until Truman.

Wrong, if you read the article it mentions some all black units, there were always army integrated units (at least all the NCO and Officer slots were filled by whites) and prior to Wilson the navy was always fully integrated,

 

[alang1216]

Wrong, if you read the article it mentions some all black units, there were always army integrated units (at least all the NCO and Officer slots were filled by whites) and prior to Wilson the navy was always fully integrated,

I guess it depends on how you define integration. Saying things like "all black units" and "all the NCO and Officer slots were filled by whites" doesn't fit my definition of integration. I'd also say that a 1850's Southern plantation where all the slaves were Black and all the owners and overseers where white doesn't fit my definition of integration either.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I guess it depends on how you define integration. Saying things like "all black units" and "all the NCO and Officer slots were filled by whites" doesn't fit my definition of integration. I'd also say that a 1850's Southern plantation where all the slaves were Black and all the owners and overseers where white doesn't fit my definition of integration either.

All black units had black officers and NCOs. But why are you ignoring the navy which was larger than the army and was totally integrated until Wilson’s segregated it making minorities only allowed to be cooks and servers

 

[alang1216]

All black units had black officers and NCOs. But why are you ignoring the navy which was larger than the army and was totally integrated until Wilson’s segregated it making minorities only allowed to be cooks and servers

The Navy was certainly more integrated than the Army but I don't think it was ever as big as the Army.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So my observations indicate that the three innocuous letters - Delta, Echo and India ('DEI') invoke negative reactions from a subclass of white Americans, and at times, some others. They react to any encounter of this acronym much in the same way that they do to the acronym of BLM which unequivocally declares "Black Lives Matter!". Their reactions though are nothing more than conditioning, much like the conditioning of Pavlov's dogs.

So my question to you all is, despite DEI not having existed at the time of the Tuskegee Airman "experiment" (experiment because they were expected to fail, based on the assessment of various "studies" made during WWI & WWII), do you
1. considered them being allowed to learn to fly and "included" in the Allied war effort to be the "I" in DEI? Is this a good or bad thing from your perspective?
2. because their inclusion "diversified" the military although they were physically segregated, do you considered their inclusion as having diversified the military? Again, a
good or bad occurence?
3. So we already know that despite their stellar performance they still were not treated equitable with the other service men so we know this third prong was not met. Do you think that they should have been treated equitably? Why or why not?

Please provide support or at least your reasoning for your response:

"The Negro is an inherently inferior individual… emotionally unstable, lacks initiative, and is abjectly afraid of the dark. He cannot be trained
to fly military aircraft.”
- internal U.S. Army Air Corps and War Department memoranda

View attachment 1092956

​

Pavlov’s Dogs – Classical Conditioning​

Ivan Pavlov, a Russian physiologist, was studying digestion in dogs when he made an unexpected discovery:​

• He noticed that dogs would start salivating not just when food was placed in their mouths, but even before—like when they saw the lab assistant or heard footsteps.

So he ran an experiment:​

1. Before conditioning:
   • Food = salivation (natural response)
   • Bell = no response
2. During conditioning:
   • Pavlov rang a bell, then immediately gave food
   • Repeated this pairing several times
3. After conditioning:
   • Just the sound of the bell caused the dogs to salivate—even with no food

What It Means:​

Pavlov discovered classical conditioning—where a neutral stimulus (the bell) becomes associated with an involuntary response (salivation) because it was repeatedly paired with a meaningful stimulus (food).​

​

It laid the foundation for modern behavioral psychology and how humans and animals learn from associations.​

The Tuskegee Airmen were real men; DEI is a fucking insult to them

 

[jwoodie]

They were the recipients of "good" DEI in that they were previously excluded from being pilots and proved themselves equally skilled. That was a far cry from "bad" DEI which engages in racial discrimination and lower performance standards.

 

[AZrailwhale]

In 1914 the US Army total manpower was 98,000 men, that includes active duty, reserves and West Point Cadets. The Navy manpower was 57,000. In 1939 Army was 136,000 the navy was 114,000 men. So you are right that the army was larger in most years.

 

[Dr.Know]

Not historically correct, sorry.

WW and FDR are the patron saints of the leftist billionaires.

 

[Dr.Know]

Constantly talking about "Black Issues" infers that there is something wrong with them ( as if they are inferior). You never hear liberals pumping up Asians or Hispanic accomplishments, ITS ONLY THEIR VOTING BASE ( BLACKS) that liberals constantly push in the media. This causes resentment with other minorities and only increases the problem. Morgan Freeman told Don Lemon, if you want to cure racism,,,STOP TALKING ABOUT IT and the people will forget about it and start treating people with their due respect ( some of them do not deserve respect ).

Democrats have weaponized and radicalized many blacks with the intent of keeping them in the democrat party. But 70 years of race pandering by elite white liberals has not helped the black condition, they are still impoverished and saddled with rampant crime; their misery benefits the Democrat party.

I suspect the liberals are using the Tuskegee group to virtue signal; Oh see how nice I am talking about a black flying group so pat me on the back and make me "feel Good" . If a Tuskegee airman moved next to a white privileged liberal, most of the liberals would sell their home the next day ASAP; I have seen this more than once. Look at how they went crazy when a handful of illegals landed in Martha's Vineyard.

Our past mayor here in Detroit was Coleman Young, a Tuskegee airman and he was an openly white hating racist that ran the city for 20 years. This is easily verified online

 

[IM2]

They were the recipients of "good" DEI in that they were previously excluded from being pilots and proved themselves equally skilled. That was a far cry from "bad" DEI which engages in racial discrimination and lower performance standards.

There is no such thing as the DEI you talk about. Your last sentence is another example of the white right wing race hustle.

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