Police Out of Control, Need to be DISARMED

[GMCGeneral]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.

Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.

Drugs not harmful? BWAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to the scores of ER physicians and nurses who have to deal with that shit every day!!!! and BTW, where were you when prohibition was going on? Or how about the organized crime families that existed well before the War on Drugs?

I did not say drugs were not harmful, but that they were not harmful to others.
Its like trying to make suicide or stupidity illegal. That is not legal.
Anyway, making drugs illegal increases the problem instead of reducing it.
They are a medical problem and making it illegal just prevents medical solutions.
And yes, prohibition was also inherently illegal.
People have a right to consume alcohol if they want.
Crime families exist mostly because of government corruption.
When government does bad things, people will always support crime as a reaction.

Drugs not harmful to others?
Both alcohol and drugs have caused traffic deaths, hence DUI laws.
Individuals on PCP have become highly aggressive and killed others.

Especially concerning safety sensitive jobs like bus and truck driving! This is why the DOT manuals are roughly two inches thick!

 

[Rigby5]

Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.

WTF? Law enforcement wasn’t invented until 1900? Where the hell do you learn this stupid shit.

Did not say it was no invented until 1900.
Tyrants had police over 5000 years ago.
But the US was supposed to be a democratic republic with an armed population, so really never needed police except for night watch in big towns with harbors.
Police were insignificant in the US until the automobile created a revenue source for police.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.

Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Wrong. Here is my solution. Start by building a better relationship between the community and law enforcement. Take steps necessary to remove rogue cops from the job and demonstrate that they will not be allowed to disgrace the shield. Start punishing people more severely for attacks on law enforcement showing the department that someone has their backs. Until this community/law enforcement schism is bridged, nothing will change.

"Rogue cops" You mean the ones that get the job done!

No, I mean the ones who are mercurial and would rather escalate situations rather than diffuse them.

It's impossible to "deescalate" when the hoodrat's hell bent on killing.

 

[Jets]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

Agreed. Let’s also hire better cops to go along with that.

 

[Jets]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.

Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Wrong. Here is my solution. Start by building a better relationship between the community and law enforcement. Take steps necessary to remove rogue cops from the job and demonstrate that they will not be allowed to disgrace the shield. Start punishing people more severely for attacks on law enforcement showing the department that someone has their backs. Until this community/law enforcement schism is bridged, nothing will change.

"Rogue cops" You mean the ones that get the job done!

No, I mean the ones who are mercurial and would rather escalate situations rather than diffuse them.

It's impossible to "deescalate" when the hoodrat's hell bent on killing.

Not for anything, but if they are “hell bent on killing“ that’s justification for DPF.

 

[LuckyDuck]

The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.

Overland Park says investigation of teen’s 2018 fatal police shooting will be released

In January 2018, John Albers was shot six times by a former Overland Park officer after police were called to the family home to check on the teenager’s well being.

www.yahoo.com

Overland Park releases report on fatal police shooting of John Albers, 17

The report includes hours of video and a 498-page summary.

www.kmbc.com

{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}

As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.

The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.

Once or twice, compared to the thousands of innocents murdered by police.
When police are to quick to shoot, then shooting police is justified in self defense.
Unarmed police likely would never be shot at.

2020: 210 officers killed in the line of duty.
2019: 135 officers killed in the line of duty.
You just go on living your fantasy.

 

[Rigby5]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.

Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.

Drugs not harmful? BWAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to the scores of ER physicians and nurses who have to deal with that shit every day!!!! and BTW, where were you when prohibition was going on? Or how about the organized crime families that existed well before the War on Drugs?

I did not say drugs were not harmful, but that they were not harmful to others.
Its like trying to make suicide or stupidity illegal. That is not legal.
Anyway, making drugs illegal increases the problem instead of reducing it.
They are a medical problem and making it illegal just prevents medical solutions.
And yes, prohibition was also inherently illegal.
People have a right to consume alcohol if they want.
Crime families exist mostly because of government corruption.
When government does bad things, people will always support crime as a reaction.

Drugs not harmful to others?
Both alcohol and drugs have caused traffic deaths, hence DUI laws.
Individuals on PCP have become highly aggressive and killed others.

When a DUI kills, it is not the alcohol but the car that kills because the person decided to drive.
It is not that hard to teach people to not drive if drinking, and the solution in the rest of the world is decent mass transit.
The fact the US has bad mass transit is the problem, not the alcohol.

A person who is going to kill on PCP is going to kill anyway.
Nor is PCP a common choice of drug users.

 

[Rigby5]

The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.

Overland Park says investigation of teen’s 2018 fatal police shooting will be released

In January 2018, John Albers was shot six times by a former Overland Park officer after police were called to the family home to check on the teenager’s well being.

www.yahoo.com

Overland Park releases report on fatal police shooting of John Albers, 17

The report includes hours of video and a 498-page summary.

www.kmbc.com

{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}

As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.

The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.

Once or twice, compared to the thousands of innocents murdered by police.
When police are to quick to shoot, then shooting police is justified in self defense.
Unarmed police likely would never be shot at.

No, that's where you are historically atrophied. Back in the bad old days of the gang wars of the 1970s and 80s. police, especially in NY and LA were horribly outgunned by the gangbangers by incredible margins. What happens when you have unarmed cops? You get DEAD cops. Sorry, but I feel better when a cop is packing heat.

Wrong.
The only gang wars were caused by police.
With prohibition and the war on drugs, profits skyrocket, credit cards, checks, and banks become impossible to use, so cash sums tempt.
You never get dead cops when they are unarmed, because criminals only shoot to get away, in self defense.

 

[Rigby5]

The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.

Overland Park says investigation of teen’s 2018 fatal police shooting will be released

In January 2018, John Albers was shot six times by a former Overland Park officer after police were called to the family home to check on the teenager’s well being.

www.yahoo.com

Overland Park releases report on fatal police shooting of John Albers, 17

The report includes hours of video and a 498-page summary.

www.kmbc.com

{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}

As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.

The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.

Once or twice, compared to the thousands of innocents murdered by police.
When police are to quick to shoot, then shooting police is justified in self defense.
Unarmed police likely would never be shot at.

2020: 210 officers killed in the line of duty.
2019: 135 officers killed in the line of duty.
You just go on living your fantasy.

The main source of police killed in the line of duty is from traffic.
They are not targeted and do NOT have a more dangerous job than average.
Far more dangerous is the taxi driver, 7/11 clerk, lumber jack, farmer, steelworkers, etc.

And the point is not police getting shot now, but that if they were unarmed, then no one would ever bother shooting at them. The reason police get shot now is self defense against the police shooting them.

 

[Rigby5]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.

Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Wrong. Here is my solution. Start by building a better relationship between the community and law enforcement. Take steps necessary to remove rogue cops from the job and demonstrate that they will not be allowed to disgrace the shield. Start punishing people more severely for attacks on law enforcement showing the department that someone has their backs. Until this community/law enforcement schism is bridged, nothing will change.

"Rogue cops" You mean the ones that get the job done!

No, I mean the ones who are mercurial and would rather escalate situations rather than diffuse them.

It's impossible to "deescalate" when the hoodrat's hell bent on killing.

The main causes of crime are poverty, injustice, lack of opportunity, etc.
The idea there are people genetically bent on killing is a myth.
Almost all crime can be prevented by fixing problems with society.
Just blaming the poor people and killing them is not a good solution.
In fact, I see the wealthy as the biggest source of crime, like high housing costs because of landlord tax breaks, lack of jobs because wages are cheaper offshore where child and slave labor exists, monopolies, union busting, etc.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.

WTF? Law enforcement wasn’t invented until 1900? Where the hell do you learn this stupid shit.

Did not say it was no invented until 1900.
Tyrants had police over 5000 years ago.
But the US was supposed to be a democratic republic with an armed population, so really never needed police except for night watch in big towns with harbors.
Police were insignificant in the US until the automobile created a revenue source for police.

There were always Sheriffs. But based on your explanation here and the lefts desire to eliminate police why are you also trying to disarm citizens? If you want to get back to an armed populace being your law enforcement you should be encouraging gun ownership not trying to eliminate it.

 

[Rigby5]

Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.

WTF? Law enforcement wasn’t invented until 1900? Where the hell do you learn this stupid shit.

Did not say it was no invented until 1900.
Tyrants had police over 5000 years ago.
But the US was supposed to be a democratic republic with an armed population, so really never needed police except for night watch in big towns with harbors.
Police were insignificant in the US until the automobile created a revenue source for police.

There were always Sheriffs. But based on your explanation here and the lefts desire to eliminate police why are you also trying to disarm citizens? If you want to get back to an armed populace being your law enforcement you should be encouraging gun ownership not trying to eliminate it.

I am far left, but NEVER supported any gun control, especially federal.
I do want a fully armed population.
Some cities could be more restrictive than other cities or rural, but no federal gun laws at all.
And police should be restricted more over guns they carry than people are in their guns at home.

 

[Rigby5]

Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.

WTF? Law enforcement wasn’t invented until 1900? Where the hell do you learn this stupid shit.

Did not say it was no invented until 1900.
Tyrants had police over 5000 years ago.
But the US was supposed to be a democratic republic with an armed population, so really never needed police except for night watch in big towns with harbors.
Police were insignificant in the US until the automobile created a revenue source for police.

There were always Sheriffs. But based on your explanation here and the lefts desire to eliminate police why are you also trying to disarm citizens? If you want to get back to an armed populace being your law enforcement you should be encouraging gun ownership not trying to eliminate it.

Sheriffs are fine, but they should be for serving warrants, organizing posses, etc.
They do not have to shoot anyone normally.
Shooting defense is needed mostly by the intended victims, like the home owner or shop keeper.
Not the police, who are never the intended victim.

 

[WEATHER53]

Black males out of control and creating more and more ungoverned black males.. They need to be dedicked

 

[Darkwind]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

I have been pulled over by police over 30 times in my life, and only once was I speeding or doing anything wrong.
If I drive the new car, I do not get stopped. If I drive the old beater pickup, I get stopped almost every time.

The laws that need enforcing are for home owners and shop keepers who can much better enforce them than the police can.
In fact, if you call the police, you increase your own risk of the police accidentally shooting you.

I disagree wholly and frankly, I don't believe people get pulled over for doing nothing.

 

[Darkwind]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

Agreed. Let’s also hire better cops to go along with that.

Who judges what is a 'better' cop?

The police have an extensive hiring process. But no process, not even the "let's hire better cops" procedure is full proof.

Occasionally, a bad one will get in.

 

[Rigby5]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

I have been pulled over by police over 30 times in my life, and only once was I speeding or doing anything wrong.
If I drive the new car, I do not get stopped. If I drive the old beater pickup, I get stopped almost every time.

The laws that need enforcing are for home owners and shop keepers who can much better enforce them than the police can.
In fact, if you call the police, you increase your own risk of the police accidentally shooting you.

I disagree wholly and frankly, I don't believe people get pulled over for doing nothing.

The police really do not have a reliable means of determining speed.
If they match speed and use their speedometer, then they are causing you to speed, as you go with the flow of traffic around you, (them).
There is no reliable electronic means of measuring speed.
Radar is easily overwhelmed by things like a chain link fence with a standing wave harmonic.
Lidar does not work on dark cars and requires careful aiming.
Visual acuity is easily fooled by optical illusions like small cars generating a parallax illusion of speed at a greater distance, orange and red cars always seeming to be faster than the really are, etc.
So people are not being pulled over for nothing, but because they look poor and suspicious due to poverty.
Not because of a legitimate cause.

 

[Rigby5]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

Agreed. Let’s also hire better cops to go along with that.

Who judges what is a 'better' cop?

The police have an extensive hiring process. But no process, not even the "let's hire better cops" procedure is full proof.

Occasionally, a bad one will get in.

Since the main motivation of a bureaucracy is a revenue stream, police are deliberately corrupted by their superiors.

 

[Darkwind]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

I have been pulled over by police over 30 times in my life, and only once was I speeding or doing anything wrong.
If I drive the new car, I do not get stopped. If I drive the old beater pickup, I get stopped almost every time.

The laws that need enforcing are for home owners and shop keepers who can much better enforce them than the police can.
In fact, if you call the police, you increase your own risk of the police accidentally shooting you.

I disagree wholly and frankly, I don't believe people get pulled over for doing nothing.

The police really do not have a reliable means of determining speed.
If they match speed and use their speedometer, then they are causing you to speed, as you go with the flow of traffic around you, (them).
There is no reliable electronic means of measuring speed.
Radar is easily overwhelmed by things like a chain link fence with a standing wave harmonic.
Lidar does not work on dark cars and requires careful aiming.
Visual acuity is easily fooled by optical illusions like small cars generating a parallax illusion of speed at a greater distance, orange and red cars always seeming to be faster than the really are, etc.
So people are not being pulled over for nothing, but because they look poor and suspicious due to poverty.
Not because of a legitimate cause.

Well, that second sentence is likely the strangest claim I'll read today.

YOU do NOT speed up if a cop is trying to match your speed and you NEVER increase your speed with a cop on the lame justification of "Flow of Traffic". That entire concept pertains to a congested highway, not a single cop trying to get around you.

The last I looked, there were no chainlink fences on the highway between where cops sit and people drive.

Also, the last I looked, cops give you approx. 10mph over the posted limit. So, if you trying to justify not being pulled over for doing 80 in a 65, just give it up.

 

[Darkwind]

Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.

The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

Agreed. Let’s also hire better cops to go along with that.

Who judges what is a 'better' cop?

The police have an extensive hiring process. But no process, not even the "let's hire better cops" procedure is full proof.

Occasionally, a bad one will get in.

Since the main motivation of a bureaucracy is a revenue stream, police are deliberately corrupted by their superiors.

I disagree completely, though you do make a good case for the government being inherently corrupt and a solid reason for it being limited to as small a footprint as can be managed.