Police Out of Control, Need to be DISARMED

Police should never open fire on white people unless they're shot at first.

Problem solved

But the police not only are opening fire on unarmed and innocent people, but have gotten away with it on a regular basis.
So the problem isn't solved yet.
I propose that the uniform, union, and government bureaucracy cause this arrogance, and the only solution is to tone down the police by disarming them.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
Police should carry only non lethal devices.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.

The first drug law was passed under Woodrow Wilson. Guess when you say the war against drugs is illegal, you are indicting Democrats.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
So this 17 year old person was in his home minding his own business and a police officer decided to shoot him for no resson?

is that tour story?

Really?

The police had been called for domestic disturbances at this address before.
But there was nothing on this night.
It was just coincidence the police decided to check on him right when he happened to have been leaving.

The police are claiming he was backing up in the van towards him, and felt threatened by the slow vehicle in reverse.
They also claim they yelled for him to stop and he didn't.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Wrong. Here is my solution. Start by building a better relationship between the community and law enforcement. Take steps necessary to remove rogue cops from the job and demonstrate that they will not be allowed to disgrace the shield. Start punishing people more severely for attacks on law enforcement showing the department that someone has their backs. Until this community/law enforcement schism is bridged, nothing will change.
"Rogue cops" You mean the ones that get the job done!
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.
Drugs not harmful? BWAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to the scores of ER physicians and nurses who have to deal with that shit every day!!!! and BTW, where were you when prohibition was going on? Or how about the organized crime families that existed well before the War on Drugs?
 
Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.
SAY WHAT?

Ummmm...You are so wrong that it ain't even funny. Not only did we have law enforcement---our law enforcement was expected to kill criminals that didnt' want to be arrested.

 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.

The first drug law was passed under Woodrow Wilson. Guess when you say the war against drugs is illegal, you are indicting Democrats.

True.
I am left wing, but democratic party is all over the place, like gun control, drug laws, prohibition, wars, etc, are normally very right wing. But the democratic party has backed these right wing positions off and on.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.
The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.
Drugs not harmful? BWAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to the scores of ER physicians and nurses who have to deal with that shit every day!!!! and BTW, where were you when prohibition was going on? Or how about the organized crime families that existed well before the War on Drugs?

I did not say drugs were not harmful, but that they were not harmful to others.
Its like trying to make suicide or stupidity illegal. That is not legal.
Anyway, making drugs illegal increases the problem instead of reducing it.
They are a medical problem and making it illegal just prevents medical solutions.
And yes, prohibition was also inherently illegal.
People have a right to consume alcohol if they want.
Crime families exist mostly because of government corruption.
When government does bad things, people will always support crime as a reaction.
 
Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.
WTF? Law enforcement wasn’t invented until 1900? Where the hell do you learn this stupid shit.
 
Police essentially did not exist at all before 1900 or so, and we did fine.
Police seem to feel authorized to shoot more than average people, which is illegal.
Average people armed would not have shot.
So we would be much better off without armed police and with armed average citizens instead.
SAY WHAT?

Ummmm...You are so wrong that it ain't even funny. Not only did we have law enforcement---our law enforcement was expected to kill criminals that didnt' want to be arrested.


Law enforcement before 1900 was almost 100% civilian posses.
We did not have significant police until after automobile traffic started producing a revenue stream.
Even in place like Boston and NYC where police go back to before 1900, then were more like nigh watch at harbors.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.
The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.

Once or twice, compared to the thousands of innocents murdered by police.
When police are to quick to shoot, then shooting police is justified in self defense.
Unarmed police likely would never be shot at.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Wrong. Here is my solution. Start by building a better relationship between the community and law enforcement. Take steps necessary to remove rogue cops from the job and demonstrate that they will not be allowed to disgrace the shield. Start punishing people more severely for attacks on law enforcement showing the department that someone has their backs. Until this community/law enforcement schism is bridged, nothing will change.
"Rogue cops" You mean the ones that get the job done!

No, I mean the ones who are mercurial and would rather escalate situations rather than diffuse them.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
So lessee. Only college grad peaheads and no ex military? oh sure. That'll work well with a bunch of hoodrats.

That is not my solution at all.
Sure it is. that and force cops to live in the warzones with their families' lives in danger from the gangbangers.

Gangbangers are created by the police, with their illegal War on Drugs.
Police only have authority to defend the rights of others, and since drugs do not harm others, the police have no authority to enforce drug laws.

The harm comes from the high price, loads of cash, and turf wars created by the police.
Drugs not harmful? BWAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to the scores of ER physicians and nurses who have to deal with that shit every day!!!! and BTW, where were you when prohibition was going on? Or how about the organized crime families that existed well before the War on Drugs?

I did not say drugs were not harmful, but that they were not harmful to others.
Its like trying to make suicide or stupidity illegal. That is not legal.
Anyway, making drugs illegal increases the problem instead of reducing it.
They are a medical problem and making it illegal just prevents medical solutions.
And yes, prohibition was also inherently illegal.
People have a right to consume alcohol if they want.
Crime families exist mostly because of government corruption.
When government does bad things, people will always support crime as a reaction.
Drugs not harmful to others?
Both alcohol and drugs have caused traffic deaths, hence DUI laws.
Individuals on PCP have become highly aggressive and killed others.
 
Disagreed with the premise. Police should not be disarmed. There needs to be many steps taken to improve the quality of law enforcement as well as their relationship to their communities. The country is in a vicious cycle that continues unabated. It goes something like this:

The wrong people become cops. Too many people hate law enforcement. Too many bad cops treat certain communities with the same scorn they receive because of their uniform. Politicians have no hesitation using bad tactics as a political prop. Less qualified people want to become police officers continuing this vicious cycle.

Disarming police officers does not resolve the underlying issues.
The answer is in addressing the problems of attitude and upbringing for those who hate law enforcement.

99% of interaction with law enforcement is due to bad behavior or law breaking.

you don't want cops, stop having laws that need enforcing.

I have been pulled over by police over 30 times in my life, and only once was I speeding or doing anything wrong.
If I drive the new car, I do not get stopped. If I drive the old beater pickup, I get stopped almost every time.

The laws that need enforcing are for home owners and shop keepers who can much better enforce them than the police can.
In fact, if you call the police, you increase your own risk of the police accidentally shooting you.
 
The police are not just shooting unarmed Blacks, beating elderly, and Latinos, but also shooting white teens (John Albers), who committed no crime other than backing slowly out of their own driveway.
He did not even know police were in his driveway and he had done nothing wrong.


{...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Overland Park released a redacted report Thursday on the fatal police shooting of 17-year-old John Albers in 2018.
...

He was slowky backing the family van out of the driveway when the officer opened fire.

A month later, Johnson County Prosecutor Steve Howe announced that the shooting was justified after a multi-jurisdictional investigation concluded because the officer reasonably feared for his life.
...
Albers was shot 13 times.
...}
As long as there are dangerous people on our streets, the response to this inane post is a definite, NO!

Why?
The police are never the target of these dangerous people, so then why should police care if they are armed or not?
All the police have to do is step aside and write down the license plate number, get a description, call in other units, etc.
They NEVER need to shoot.
The cops are periodically targets by dangerous individuals. They've been murdered while pulling people over for traffic violations, deadly ambushes against cops have occurred.

Once or twice, compared to the thousands of innocents murdered by police.
When police are to quick to shoot, then shooting police is justified in self defense.
Unarmed police likely would never be shot at.
No, that's where you are historically atrophied. Back in the bad old days of the gang wars of the 1970s and 80s. police, especially in NY and LA were horribly outgunned by the gangbangers by incredible margins. What happens when you have unarmed cops? You get DEAD cops. Sorry, but I feel better when a cop is packing heat.
 

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