Police in Canada can now demand breath samples in bars, at home. Onus on you to prove you are sober

[shockedcanadian]

A new law says that 2 hours AFTER you've been driving. Police can show up at your home, force you to do a breathalizer and charge you with drunk driving.

Had a long day at work in the Summer and headed home for a nice BBQ and a beer? You better hope you don't drink too much or you could be charged with drunk driving, AFTER you've gone home and are unwinding, even if you didn't have a drop of alcohol in your system when you were on the road.

I don't drink much at all, so this doesn't effect me. This, however, is the microcosm of more to come.


Police in Canada can now demand breath samples in bars, at home


It may sound unbelievable, but Canada’s revised laws on impaired driving could see police demand breath samples from people in bars, restaurants, or even at home. And if you say no, you could be arrested, face a criminal record, ordered to pay a fine, and subjected to a driving suspension.

You could be in violation of the impaired driving laws even two hours after you’ve been driving. Now, the onus is on drivers to prove they weren’t impaired when they were on the road.

 

[Moonglow]

Wonder where they got the idea from, oh yeah the US...

 

[shockedcanadian]

Wonder where they got the idea from, oh yeah the US...

Is this true? Which states?

When America is adopting it, that's scary. If it were an immediate situation, I can understand, not two hours after, and, the onus shouldn't be on the driver to prove anything, that's the Crowns job.

 

[Moonglow]

Wonder where they got the idea from, oh yeah the US...

Is this true? Which states?

When America is adopting it, that's scary. If it were an immediate situation, I can understand, not two hours after, and, the onus shouldn't be on the driver to prove anything, that's the Crowns job.

In the US if you don't take the test you can be punished more and it is immediate without trial or seeing a judge which is a violation of due process, just like a cop can pull you over take your money and claim you were using it for a drug deal and take your money/possessions away without trial, another violation of due process...Since the 1980's under Reagan we have seen the illegal laws and possession laws undermine the Constitution in the US, all for the police state.

 

[Marion Morrison]

That's crazy! I wouldn't answer the door, fuck 'em.

 

[Moonglow]

That's crazy! I wouldn't answer the door, fuck 'em.

I don't answer the cops in the US when they want to knock and talk...

 

[beagle9]

Wait so let me get all this straight - You are saying that the police can hear about you driving (by an eye witness I'm guessing), for whom was possibly seeing your vehicle swaying back and forth in the road, and for whom next turns your tag in, and the Police can show up to your residence, ask you if you were the one driving hours earlier, and then subject you to the breathlizer and skills test at your home ???

Everybody better start driving smart cars, golf carts, riding mowers with roll cage installed, bycycles (3 wheels of course), and last one of all is to use U-BER at your own discretion (beware of serial killers).

LOL.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Wait so let me get all this straight - You are saying that the police can hear about you driving (by an eye witness I'm guessing), for whom was possibly seeing your vehicle swaying back and forth in the road, and for whom next turns your tag in, and the Police can show up to your residence, ask you if you were the one driving hours earlier, and then subject you to the breathlizer and skills test at your home ???

Everybody better start driving smart cars, golf carts, riding mowers with roll cage installed, bycycles (3 wheels of course), and last one of all is to use U-BER at your own discretion (beware of serial killers).

LOL.

Actually no, they can come to your door 2 hours later, and it doesn't have to be based on anything credible. Just, "were you driving earlier today?" Oh ok, take this breathalizer test sir, or come with us.

I'm all for Law and Order, but knowing what I know about Canada, this is going to cause harm and trouble for some innocent people for a variety of nefarious reasons I'm sure.

 

[Moonglow]

In the US you don't have to be driving to get a DUI charge. If you are drunk and want to sleep it off in your car the cops can claim you were in control of the vehicle and you were drunk, even if you are asleep in the back seat.

 

[there4eyeM]

It is good that such a law has been passed. The certain backlash will not only see such a Draconian action reversed, it will also serve as a wake up call to voters and law makers to be more reasonable.
Otherwise, the future is dim indeed.
What is happening in Canada?

 

[shockedcanadian]

In the US you don't have to be driving to get a DUI charge. If you are drunk and want to sleep it off in your car the cops can claim you were in control of the vehicle and you were drunk, even if you are asleep in the back seat.

Yes, we have that law too. Even if the keys aren't in the vicinity.

 

[Moonglow]

In the US you don't have to be driving to get a DUI charge. If you are drunk and want to sleep it off in your car the cops can claim you were in control of the vehicle and you were drunk, even if you are asleep in the back seat.

Yes, we have that law too. Even if the keys aren't in the vicinity.

So as we see the US and Canada are becoming police states and the rights of the individual have evaporated. All the while we see mindless borgs that support these political regimes and their leaders all the while claiming the other side is the villians..What a stupid game.

 

[there4eyeM]

Random stops for inebriation or anything else is presumption of guilt, yet this was accepted (due to action by MADD). Sentimentality trumped the American tradition of justice and freedom. Talk about a slippery slope!

 

[petro]

I know guys who won't fish in Canada anymore since some provinces don't allow any open container within the boat. Passengers can't even drink.
Alcohol, Drugs & Boats | Pat's Boating in Canada
If drinking outside of an ice fishing house you may be ticketed for public drinking.Legal Rules about drinking on the ice
Way to wreck fishing Canada.
In America fishing is the excuse for guys to get away and drink with friends.
Buzz Killington award goes to Canada.

 

[there4eyeM]

I know guys who won't fish in Canada anymore since some provinces don't allow any open container within the boat. Passengers can't even drink.
Alcohol, Drugs & Boats | Pat's Boating in Canada
If drinking outside of an ice fishing house you may be ticketed for public drinking.Legal Rules about drinking on the ice
Way to wreck fishing Canada.
In America fishing is the excuse for guys to get away and drink with friends.
Buzz Killington award goes to Canada.

That's because if people see you drinking you are making them drink, right?
We can understand the idea (excessive alcohol consumption leads to health problems that cost everyone). We can also understand how going too far with something becomes worse than absurd. We can also understand how education should prepare people to deal with making decisions for themselves.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I know guys who won't fish in Canada anymore since some provinces don't allow any open container within the boat. Passengers can't even drink.
Alcohol, Drugs & Boats | Pat's Boating in Canada
If drinking outside of an ice fishing house you may be ticketed for public drinking.Legal Rules about drinking on the ice
Way to wreck fishing Canada.
In America fishing is the excuse for guys to get away and drink with friends.
Buzz Killington award goes to Canada.

Americans laugh and they believe the RCMP and their police surrogates narrative, they probably take sides with our agencies ahead of regular Canadians as "they can't be lying". The truth is though, when I say this it isn't just as I know a little too much, it's true. Canada is about ORDER, and you, as a subject of the state better well get in line and do as you're told, this means, like a child, you have no freedom to do as you please unless the Apparatus allows you. It doesn't matter how unreasonable or how much it impedes in your life. The Political Class, as they did the Stasi in East Germany; just accept the security apparatus tactics as "just and factual". It's a horrible racket.

I'm not some radical, anti-government guy, I believe in rules and honest enforcement of rules I just know that a society with this much over reach and no accountability mechanisms/recourse, is guaranteed to falter, as all in history have. Without U.S jobs and subsidies we'd still be using horse and buggy to get around. Socially we'd be even worse.

When you think about government regulations, which Canada has a great deal of (to control who can succeed, pick winners and losers, ensure under government police patsies can operate in your company covertly); nobody ever raises the idea that just maybe we have a few too many unreasonable controls.

These laws don't impact me. I don't fish and I rarely drink. However, we've become such a Nanny State, such a government dependent society, and we push our ideology to others, as it ensures our government will have more pull/say/influence over your representatives. I see it all the time in America, no criticism of Canada, this false belief we are some, happy, peaceful, Utopia.

We have the greatest PR department on earth and we bribe and buy influence in the U.S in particular. One big reason Canada doesn't like Trump, we don't have him on the payroll, don't hold any sway over him to make him undermine his own citizens for Canadas gain.

 

[petro]

I know guys who won't fish in Canada anymore since some provinces don't allow any open container within the boat. Passengers can't even drink.
Alcohol, Drugs & Boats | Pat's Boating in Canada
If drinking outside of an ice fishing house you may be ticketed for public drinking.Legal Rules about drinking on the ice
Way to wreck fishing Canada.
In America fishing is the excuse for guys to get away and drink with friends.
Buzz Killington award goes to Canada.

Americans laugh and they believe the RCMP and their police surrogates narrative, they probably take sides with our agencies ahead of regular Canadians as "they can't be lying". The truth is though, when I say this it isn't just as I know a little too much, it's true. Canada is about ORDER, and you, as a subject of the state better well get in line and do as you're told, this means, like a child, you have no freedom to do as you please unless the Apparatus allows you. It doesn't matter how unreasonable or how much it impedes in your life. The Political Class, as they did the Stasi in East Germany; just accept the security apparatus tactics as "just and factual". It's a horrible racket.

I'm not some radical, anti-government guy, I believe in rules and honest enforcement of rules I just know that a society with this much over reach is guaranteed to falter, as all in history have. Without U.S jobs and subsidies we'd still be using horse and buggy to get around. Socially we'd be even worse.

When you think about government regulations, which Canada has a great deal of (to control who can succeed, pick winners and losers, ensure under government police patsies can operate in your company covertly); nobody ever raises the idea that just maybe we have a few too many unreasonable controls.

These laws don't impact me. I don't fish and I rarely drink. However, we've become such a Nanny State, such a government dependent society, and we push our ideology to others, as it ensures our government will have more pull/say/influence over your representatives. I see it all the time in America, no criticism of Canada, this false belief we are some, happy, peaceful, Utopia.

We have the greatest PR department on earth and we bribe and buy influence in the U.S in particular. One big reason Canada doesn't like Trump, we don't have him on the payroll, don't hold any sway over him to make him undermine his own citizens for Canadas gain.

I hear it all the time.
"Well, look at what Canada does."
Apparently you folks have solved all major issues and us ignorant brash Americans simply need to just follow suit.

Off topic a little, but I fish along the border of MN and Ontario at Namakan Lake frequently. A good GPS required as no agreement exists between us to travel full lake and fish. I need to know that border line on a large body of water so I don't fall within Canadian laws regarding fishing or consumption of alcohol.
That's my big border dilemma.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I know guys who won't fish in Canada anymore since some provinces don't allow any open container within the boat. Passengers can't even drink.
Alcohol, Drugs & Boats | Pat's Boating in Canada
If drinking outside of an ice fishing house you may be ticketed for public drinking.Legal Rules about drinking on the ice
Way to wreck fishing Canada.
In America fishing is the excuse for guys to get away and drink with friends.
Buzz Killington award goes to Canada.

Americans laugh and they believe the RCMP and their police surrogates narrative, they probably take sides with our agencies ahead of regular Canadians as "they can't be lying". The truth is though, when I say this it isn't just as I know a little too much, it's true. Canada is about ORDER, and you, as a subject of the state better well get in line and do as you're told, this means, like a child, you have no freedom to do as you please unless the Apparatus allows you. It doesn't matter how unreasonable or how much it impedes in your life. The Political Class, as they did the Stasi in East Germany; just accept the security apparatus tactics as "just and factual". It's a horrible racket.

I'm not some radical, anti-government guy, I believe in rules and honest enforcement of rules I just know that a society with this much over reach is guaranteed to falter, as all in history have. Without U.S jobs and subsidies we'd still be using horse and buggy to get around. Socially we'd be even worse.

When you think about government regulations, which Canada has a great deal of (to control who can succeed, pick winners and losers, ensure under government police patsies can operate in your company covertly); nobody ever raises the idea that just maybe we have a few too many unreasonable controls.

These laws don't impact me. I don't fish and I rarely drink. However, we've become such a Nanny State, such a government dependent society, and we push our ideology to others, as it ensures our government will have more pull/say/influence over your representatives. I see it all the time in America, no criticism of Canada, this false belief we are some, happy, peaceful, Utopia.

We have the greatest PR department on earth and we bribe and buy influence in the U.S in particular. One big reason Canada doesn't like Trump, we don't have him on the payroll, don't hold any sway over him to make him undermine his own citizens for Canadas gain.

I hear it all the time.
"Well, look at what Canada does."
Apparently you folks have solved all major issues and us ignorant brash Americans simply need to just follow suit.

Off topic a little, but I fish along the border of MN and Ontario at Namakan Lake frequently. A good GPS required as no agreement exists between us to travel full lake and fish. I need to know that border line on a large body of water so I don't fall within Canadian laws regarding fishing or consumption of alcohol.
That's my big border dilemma.

The irony is, in Canada, and I've really taken a conscious effort to learn about this; in Canada we have so much access to U.S TV and media that we THINK we have the same freedom as Americans. It's really the craziest situation. I've heard some Canadians say "First Amendment, free speech pal", and I have to tell him, we don't have a Constitution that is Amended, these Amendments aren't ours (just as Due Process and Rule of Law isn't). They look at you confused. Can you imagine an American talking about their Charter of Rights and Freedom Rights?

Think about that last statement. This is the Canada I live in. These are the citizens. I know not all are well informed anywhere in the world, but we are particularly dense.

Our security apparatus and politicians can piggyback off of the U.S system to suggest, "Canada is the most free, greatest nation on earth. We believe in the Rule of Law, Due Process" yadda yadda. Maybe even some of these politicians believe it, even as legally we are not even close.

It's sad because our apapratus, based on the British, operates on the premise that "what they don't know, won't hurt them". Until they get squeezed (like I've been) and they realize, the media doesn't care either, that's how State Run media works. We have the least diverse ownership control of media in the G20. It's a HUGE problem, that won't change anytime soon. Trump tried to get this concession from Canada, for more free media and Canada absolutely put down their foot. It's why Trump was able to get so much elsewhere and fleece us on the deal overall.

 

[saveliberty]

All is good, Canada smokes dope now.

 

[Pilot1]

Canada loves Big Government Oppression. A true Far Left Nanny State.