Poland and Hungary bring 12 European nations together to take on the EU

[alexa]

The title of this thread is the title of an article.

The EU was indeed a strong grouping for a very long time. But to tell you the truth, the war in Ukraine has changed everything. The closely knit community of nations that pledge solidarity is not so close anymore. Multiple nations are on the brink of rebellion, and rightfully so.


Poland, although it did initially support the EU in its efforts against Russia, the EU’s unfair behaviour soon sidelined Poland from the effort.

As a consequence of its hefty support to Ukraine, Warsaw is now in the grip of a record high inflation swirling at the highest rates in a quarter of a century. Understandably, Poland’s leaders are slowly coming to a consensus with the realities of the world and are starting to take an anti-EU stance.

It is basically a really bad article written by someone who seems to have very little knowledge in the area. It begins by putting the UK, Germany, France and Italy after WW2 as taking their place as the leaders of the EU. Italy like France and Germany were founding members and so obviously an important part but to suggest the UK was in this when it did not join to till the mid 70's shows too much lack of knowledge.

Then it goes further

Poland, although it did initially support the EU in its efforts against Russia, the EU’s unfair behaviour soon sidelined Poland from the effort.

As a consequence of its hefty support to Ukraine, Warsaw is now in the grip of a record high inflation swirling at the highest rates in a quarter of a century. Understandably, Poland’s leaders are slowly coming to a consensus with the realities of the world and are starting to take an anti-EU stance.

Poland and Hungary bring 12 European nations together to take on the EU

The EU was created as a result of post-war cooperation in Europe to ensure peace, prosperity, and stability on the continent.

tfiglobalnews.com

Why was the EU against Russia. Of course one could say because of pressure from the US but it wasn't following that before so I don't see why a change in Government had anything to do with it. Far more likely the EU was doing it for the East European countries especially Poland.

Poland in a similar vein to Hungary is moving towards an autocratic Regime and the EU is stopping it getting money because it hasn't properly fixed its judicial system as for a democracy as it promised to do.

and then just after that the article says

Warsaw’s breaking point came when Germany broke its promise to deliver modern Leopard tanks to Warsaw in exchange for Polish tanks sent to Ukraine.

So now we find that Poland is in the huff with Germany for not providing what it believes it should to Ukraine - something it is not supposed to be interested in apart from helping the EU.

and if you read the rest you will see what Poland is up to regarding the title of this thread.

The EU gave so much to these countries but they only did so if they were intending to become Democracies. The EU is not open to people who are not. That Poland would be taking everything it can get and then making agreement to buy stuff from Russia ..........(I think that was in there) It also talks about the EU now being destroyed. It may well be for standing beside members who take and do not give but the simplest thing would be just to get rid of them so if that is what Poland would like to do please hand Poland its hat.

 

[ESay]

Joining the EU is the best thing that happened to East Europe over the last decades. Leaving it will inevitably mean economic, social and political degradation.

 

[Manonthestreet]

EU is not about democracy, it's about control, graft and theft. End of story

 

[1srelluc]

Poland's reaction to the German tanks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

EU is not about democracy, it's about control, graft and theft. End of story

Well, I'd disagree.
Control, yes, to a certain extent, but only because other countries never bothered to try and get some balance. The UK could have done so, instead spent its whole time bitching about how they didn't like how the EU was, instead of doing something about it.

Graft and theft, no, I disagree. The EU took on large companies that try and manipulate the different governments of the EU, like they do in the US, to screw everyone over. The EU stopped this.

 

[Ringo]

The majority of Poles are in favor of supporting Ukraine and seeking to trip up Russia, writes Myśl Polska. They have no fear of a large-scale threat, and it will end with another suicide of Poland. It's time to assess the consequences of your behavior, the author of the article believes.
Przemyslaw Piast

Recently, SW Research conducted a survey of Poles who were asked to answer the question whether they support the easing of sanctions imposed on Russia in order to lower energy prices, or whether they prefer to maintain sanctions even at the expense of high prices. It turned out that almost 60% do not want the easing or lifting of anti-Russian sanctions. Only 16% of respondents expressed the opposite opinion, and almost 25% either have no opinion or do not want to advertise it. Thus, Poles are willing to pay more, just to pile on the hated Russians.

One can argue about the representativeness of the study in the context of its methodology (the agency conducted it among users of the SW Panel online panel in a group of 800 people), but I got the impression that this survey accurately reflects current trends. Moreover, if Poles were asked if we wanted to join the Ukrainian war, a significant percentage of respondents would still vote "yes". Perhaps if we formulated the question like this: "do we support the continuation of military operations in Ukraine even at the cost of the threat of turning into radioactive dust?", it would make us think somehow. But this is not accurate.

One would assume that the Poles are an incredibly brave nation. There is nothing more wrong. The absence of fear in dangerous situations is not a manifestation of courage, but a mental disorder. Because fear is one of the primal emotions directly related to the mechanism of survival. The fact that a significant part of our society does not feel it or experiences it to a degree not adequate to the scale of the threat has been repeatedly noted in the history of our people. Each time it ended with a spectacular suicide.

When I hear and read the next operatic statements of Polish officials who threaten that, they say, "Poland will not recognize this and that" or, they say, "Poland will support Ukraine until its final victory," the tragicomic figure of the failed Minister Beck with his bragging immediately appears before my eyes. "Peace is a valuable and desirable thing. Our war-stained generation certainly deserves a peaceful existence. But peace, like almost all the affairs of this world, has its price, high, but measurable. We in Poland do not know such a thing as peace at any cost. There is only one thing in the life of people, nations and states that is priceless. It's an honor," Beck said when Poland's very existence was threatened. After that, together with the rest of the junta members, he "with honor" dashed across the border in the town of Zalishchiki. He left behind a country embroiled in a war on two fronts, and compatriots fighting heroically, but doomed.

Of course, there are differences between the then and modern helmsmen of our ship. For example, it concerns the culture of their statements. His Excellency Andrzej Duda was so kind as to express the following to His Excellency Vladimir Putin: "Maybe it won't be too politically correct, but in Poland there is a rather rude proverb: "make threats, but don't shit yourself." But this is just phraseology. The essence of the problem has not changed one iota. And, most likely, it will end again with the symbolic place of Zalishchiki. At the same time, the problem, and maybe the tragedy, will remain with us.