Please explain why you Republicans support the wealthy over your own middle class?

[Utilitarian]

You have a better plan for a new country? Let's hear it.

Well, I'm currently having a look at the Articles of Confederation.

But in the mean time, we should ignore the law of the land. Great plan.

Hey, it works pretty well for Wall Street.

 

[freedombecki]

The equitable redistribution of America's wealth resources via taxation is not "stealing."

To further explain my reference to America's wealth; every bit of wealth one manages to acquire by exploiting this Nation's natural, material and/or human resources is a percentage of America's wealth. For one who manages to accumulate wealth via some enterprise within the United States to assume he/she could have done just as well anywhere else is sheer arrogance as well as pronounced ignorance. Therefore taxation is payment to America for services rendered and resources provided.

"Stealing" is when one takes possession of another's wealth by force, stealth or guile. But when one who has nothing steals from another who has more than he needs the crime is mitigated by simple morality. So it may be said that the preventively expedient redistribution of excessive wealth via taxation is a charitable act.

Any redistribution of wealth resources via taxation is not only stealing, it is stealing on steroids with attitude.

 

[Seawytch]

What's the problem?

Here's the problem:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

As of this moment, you owe $132,380 toward the debt we've accumulated for pay for all these "feel good" programs and "essential" wars and occupations. How will you be paying? Cash or check?

How much of that debt is two wars & Medicare Part D? Since when are the USPS, DMV and the TSA "feel good" services?

The USPS just delivered over 100,000 ballots to voters in my county. That DOES make me feel good.

 

[oreo]

Please explain Americans why you Republicans support the wealthy over your own middle class?

I could never understand why the misguided mouthpieces in the Republican Party continue to make excuses for the top 1% wealthiest while dissing their own in the middle class. Cowards and Traitors, the bunch of ya. While the middle class is trying to unite against the wealthiest, some in the middle class are playing the Benedict Arnold role - all in the name of the Grand Ol' Party.

Shameless Cowards - the lot of you

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When Democrats start talking about raising taxes on the wealthy--the middle class needs to run for cover.

For instance Obama's new jobs bill consists of raising taxes on the over 250K crowd--(not just millionaires and billionaires.) The 250 to 500K crowd are millions of small businesse's in this country--that are the REAL job creators in this country.

Obama want's to confiscate their money--so he can create SOME temporary government worker jobs. And of course, like before--when that money runs out--those jobs are terminated.

Harry Ried couldn't have said it better than last week--what Obama's job bill is all about.
"Private sector jobs are doing just fine--It's the Public sector (government workers) that are suffering." Cry me a river on that one--

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kk6D1-ECnQ&feature=player_embedded]Sen. Reid Says "Private Sector Jobs Are Doing Just Fine" - YouTube[/ame]



One Big Ass Mistake America

 

[Lakhota]

Much More: CHARTS OF THE DAY: Where’d All The Income Growth Go? To The 1 percent! | TPMDC

 

[oreo]

Much More: CHARTS OF THE DAY: Where’d All The Income Growth Go? To The 1 percent! | TPMDC

The top 1% in this country pay 45% of the entire federal tax base of it. The top 10% which includes the 250K crowd--aka small business people pay 65% of the entire tax base of this country. This while we have 45% of this country (that in many cases--make a decent income) and because of mortgage interest deduction get out of paying any federal income tax.

Now you occupy whatever protesters--complain about jobs moving overseas--etc. etc. etc.--and if you keep this bull shit up--the wealthy in this country would have no problems what-so-ever taking their money with them to a foreign country--along with the tax base they contribute heavily too.

They did it in New Jersey--the rich left because of that state penalizing wealth--and they can certainly do it again. New Jersey lost 70 BILLION dollars of wealth in 5 years.

N.J. loses $70B in wealth during five years as residents depart | NJ.com

 

[Lakhota]

I say don't let the door hit them in the ass.

 

[MikeK]

Nobody has a problem with anyone having food and lights. We just don't want to pay for it...nor do we want to pay for bailouts and loopholes for the rich. Big frickin' difference wouldn't you say?

I agree about the loopholes and bailouts but you hear almost no opposition to loopholes from republican politicians. In fact, they defend it and attack the programs for the poor and elderly.

I am curious...

Exactly what "loopholes" are you referring to and exactly what GOP representative defend them?

Or do you not know what a loophole is perhpas?

One would need to be a tax accountant and have access to specific records to know specifically what loopholes enable mega-corporations like Exxon/Mobil, GE, WalMart and a few others to pay nothing or next to nothing in taxes. But this Forbes article offers some strong hints as to how they get away with it. Even without specific information one would need to be a hopeless moron to deny that some very sophisticated loopholes facilitate these outrageous examples of legal tax evasion.

Read the article here: What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes - Forbes.com

Not only does it take money to make (big) money, because the accounting firms used by these corporate giants are paid millions to work their magic, it's clear that it takes money to steal (big) money, too.

 

[oreo]

I say don't let the door hit them in the ass.

Then you won't be sorry when you don't get that welfare check either--RIGHT---

 

[Lakhota]

Do you always clap for your own stupidity?

 

[oreo]

Do you always clap for your own stupidity?

It was meant for yours. I have come to realize that the only people who are calling for others to pay higher taxes--are ones that don't pay any federal income tax themselves.

And it was you that stated it was O.K. that the RICH leave this country with their money--along with their 67% contribution of the entire federal tax base with them. And only a COMPLETE IDIOT would say that--

 

[MikeK]

Please explain Americans why you Republicans support the wealthy over your own middle class?

I could never understand why the misguided mouthpieces in the Republican Party continue to make excuses for the top 1% wealthiest while dissing their own in the middle class. Cowards and Traitors, the bunch of ya. While the middle class is trying to unite against the wealthiest, some in the middle class are playing the Benedict Arnold role - all in the name of the Grand Ol' Party.

Shameless Cowards - the lot of you

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After years of reading and observation, I believe that part of the answer is tribalism.

They support their tribe over their own economic interests, over their own alleged religious beliefs, and over any number of facts you marshal to demonstrate to them that they are getting screwed over by the so-called "job creators".

Their more primitive instincts tell them that they will at least survive if their tribe survives, so they put everything into tribe survival. Objective thought be damned, principles be damned.

To call a small increase in the top marginal tax rate for those making over one million dollars "class warfare" shows a complete lack of understanding of what class warfare would look like, and complete ignorance of what that money is going for: to preserve the jobs of teachers and police officers and firefighters.

In other words, some of the most basic necessities for a prosperous society-education and providing physical safety-are being threatened. But what matters is preserving a few dollars of personal income for the rich.

MC, did you know that the Koch Brothers are wealthier now than when Obama took office? Isn't that interesting?

I agree completely!

It must be the tribal imperative. What else could account for it? Wealth is wedded to right-wing politics which is why so many right-wing fanatics who probably will never pay off their credit card balances, own a new car or earn more than $50k exhibit blind, chauvinistic loyalty to usurious bankers who bleed them and to financial aristocrats who regard them as useful idiots. Right vs wrong has no meaning or importance to the tribal mindset. The enemy of their enemy is their friend -- even though that enemy is their enemy as well. They are the Gunga Dins of the One Percent and they will carry water for the rich until they die.

And they don't know it because they don't want to know it.

 

[Lakhota]

You mean the same idiots who were here when the diseased Pilgrims landed?

 

[oreo]

You mean the same idiots who were here when the diseased Pilgrims landed?

Like the true occupy whatever protester--your statement is as clear as mud--you deserve 3 claps for it--

 

[oreo]

Please explain Americans why you Republicans support the wealthy over your own middle class?

I could never understand why the misguided mouthpieces in the Republican Party continue to make excuses for the top 1% wealthiest while dissing their own in the middle class. Cowards and Traitors, the bunch of ya. While the middle class is trying to unite against the wealthiest, some in the middle class are playing the Benedict Arnold role - all in the name of the Grand Ol' Party.

Shameless Cowards - the lot of you

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After years of reading and observation, I believe that part of the answer is tribalism.

They support their tribe over their own economic interests, over their own alleged religious beliefs, and over any number of facts you marshal to demonstrate to them that they are getting screwed over by the so-called "job creators".

Their more primitive instincts tell them that they will at least survive if their tribe survives, so they put everything into tribe survival. Objective thought be damned, principles be damned.

To call a small increase in the top marginal tax rate for those making over one million dollars "class warfare" shows a complete lack of understanding of what class warfare would look like, and complete ignorance of what that money is going for: to preserve the jobs of teachers and police officers and firefighters.

In other words, some of the most basic necessities for a prosperous society-education and providing physical safety-are being threatened. But what matters is preserving a few dollars of personal income for the rich.

MC, did you know that the Koch Brothers are wealthier now than when Obama took office? Isn't that interesting?

I agree completely!

It must be the tribal imperative. What else could account for it? Wealth is wedded to right-wing politics which is why so many right-wing fanatics who probably will never pay off their credit card balances, own a new car or earn more than $50k exhibit blind, chauvinistic loyalty to usurious bankers who bleed them and to financial aristocrats who regard them as useful idiots. Right vs wrong has no meaning or importance to the tribal mindset. The enemy of their enemy is their friend -- even though that enemy is their enemy as well. They are the Gunga Dins of the One Percent and they will carry water for the rich until they die.

And they don't know it because they don't want to know it.

So you want to raise taxes on the EVIL rich to do the below--is that correct? Obama's new jobs bill--right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kk6D1-ECnQ&feature=player_embedded]Sen. Reid Says "Private Sector Jobs Are Doing Just Fine" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lakhota]

You should see a doctor about your clap.

 

[oreo]

You should see a doctor about your clap.

And you need an economics 101 start-up class.

“I’m saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, progress and job creation in my lifetime. A lot of people don’t want to say that. They’ll say, ‘Oh God, don’t be attacking Obama.’ Well, this is Obama’s deal, and it’s Obama that’s responsible for this fear in America.”

“The guy [Obama] keeps making speeches about redistribution, and maybe ‘we ought to do something to businesses that don’t invest or hold too much money.’ We haven’t heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists.”

“Business is being hammered. The business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the president of the United States. Until he’s gone, everybody’s going to be sitting on their thumbs.”

An EVIL rich democrat said this about Obama!

http://www.bnet.com/blog/ceo/steve-wynns-anti-obama-rant-is-he-right/7976

 

[Lakhota]

You should see a doctor about your clap.

And you need an economics 101 start-up class.

I'm way beyond 101.

 

[MikeK]

Please explain Americans why you Republicans support the wealthy over your own middle class?

I could never understand why the misguided mouthpieces in the Republican Party continue to make excuses for the top 1% wealthiest while dissing their own in the middle class. Cowards and Traitors, the bunch of ya. While the middle class is trying to unite against the wealthiest, some in the middle class are playing the Benedict Arnold role - all in the name of the Grand Ol' Party.

Shameless Cowards - the lot of you

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After years of reading and observation, I believe that part of the answer is tribalism.

They support their tribe over their own economic interests, over their own alleged religious beliefs, and over any number of facts you marshal to demonstrate to them that they are getting screwed over by the so-called "job creators".

Their more primitive instincts tell them that they will at least survive if their tribe survives, so they put everything into tribe survival. Objective thought be damned, principles be damned.

To call a small increase in the top marginal tax rate for those making over one million dollars "class warfare" shows a complete lack of understanding of what class warfare would look like, and complete ignorance of what that money is going for: to preserve the jobs of teachers and police officers and firefighters.

In other words, some of the most basic necessities for a prosperous society-education and providing physical safety-are being threatened. But what matters is preserving a few dollars of personal income for the rich.

MC, did you know that the Koch Brothers are wealthier now than when Obama took office? Isn't that interesting?

Just tell the truth.

The jealousy and envy of others abilities is a human trait. That envy leads to want which then finds the means for justification.

It would seem you think on a very primitive level.

There always has been a wealthy class in America but during times when the Nation's wealth is equitably distributed, such as those years between the 40s and 80s, no one pays any attention to the super-rich. Why do you suppose that is?

The very fact that you presume the current antagonism toward the One Percent is rooted in "jealousy and envy" is a projection of your own character and disposition. You need to understand the difference between justifiable resentment and covetousness. They are very different states of mind.

 

[Lakhota]

Corporate greed and corporate welfare are sucking the life out of America! The rich should pay more because they get so much more and have so much more to defend; corporate welfare from government (tax breaks), defense, infrastructure, transportation, education, police, R&D, energy, airports, interstates, courts, taxpayer bailouts, etc.