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not talking about here.We all operate by the same rules here.
IT'S A LIE
You dumbass - that is EXACTLY what the fuck we're talking about.not talking about here.
I criticize the OP ( Foxfyre )of this thread for having no concern that the losers of the last election have no respect for the rule of law and the courts and the constitution.
Then, by God, indict and arrest the people you have on a video who committed an election fraud crime. What are you waiting for?We have it on video. We know it happened.
The founders assumed that the electors would elect a president of high morals and impeccable loyalty to the nation. If that failed the impeachment process could remove that president. Since they did not want or expect political parties to emerge, the idea a party in congress would protect such a president was simple not a consideration. Thus there is nothing in the constitution to protect the nation from presidents and ex-presidents who are disloyal to that nation.Thank you. I can agree with everything you say. On the national security issue I do not know what it would take to protect our national security from a violating former president who cannot be trusted to keep national secrets from our enemies outside of some form of justifiable custody of an untrustworthy former president who has shown no respect for the constitution in the first place.
The founders assumed that the electors would elect a president of high morals and impeccable loyalty to the nation. If that failed the impeachment process could remove that president. Since they did not want or expect political parties to emerge, the idea a party in congress would protect such a president was simple not a consideration. Thus there is nothing in the constitution to protect the nation from presidents and ex-presidents who are disloyal to that nation.
Our only protection is our laws but if the wealth, power and influence of the ex-president is strong enough, even our laws will not protect the nation.
Not really, since republicans are the ones who created the lost of trust and the only ones that believe it are republicans, and the only ones refusing to participate in such elections are republicans, and the only states that are creating strict election laws which will lead to lower election turnout are red states, I don't see a problem. No problem at all.Right now we have about 40% of the population, who, after observing all the anomalies and shenanigans, question the integrity of the election. That’s a BIG problem when nearly half of all voters don’t trust the process.
We have this. Democrat vote counters simply DIDNT OBEY THE LAW, and no one did anything about it1. All interested parties must be allowed to have representatives present and able to observe the counting process
Not true. One third of independents believe it. Even a few million Democrats believe it. You just think ONLY Republicans believe it because you’ve been brainwashed into demonizing Republicans.Not really, since republicans are the ones who created the lost of trust and the only ones that believe it are republicans, and the only ones refusing to participate in such elections are republicans, and the only states that are creating strict election laws which will lead to lower election turnout are red states, I don't see a problem. No problem at all.
25 states have change laws and regulations that make it easer to vote and 19 states have created laws and regulations that make it harder to vote.
Not really, since republicans are the ones who created the lost of trust and the only ones that believe it are republicans, and the only ones refusing to participate in such elections are republicans, and the only states that are creating strict election laws which will lead to lower election turnout are red states, I don't see a problem. No problem at all.
25 states have change laws and regulations that make it easer to vote and 19 states have created laws and regulations that make it harder to vote.
The politburo never makes mistakes period! We have control of the evidence! We also have agencies to investigate and destroy the reputations of people who complain. We have the media on our side to sway public opinion! Good thing the Politburo is gone right?We already have an honest vote
Show any US elections that have been fixed
And even more Democrats believe it than let on, but "politics" is their first duty so they're not gonna talk.Not true. One third of independents believe it. Even a few million Democrats believe it. You just think ONLY Republicans believe it because you’ve been brainwashed into demonizing Republicans.
Strict election laws will make it harder to cheat, and that’s why Democrats are opposed.
Yes, and the right to vote was given only to men who own property. I imagine the founders felt that as a male group, property owners would police themselves as you say with the tool of impeachment if something as corrupt and authoritarian as ‘the donald’ were to become president and remain president outside the constitutional process. How could they see the Trumpism crisis ignited by a predudent who would be not as a wise educated man of wealth and property, and loyal to the nation , but as a fearmongering, divisive and uninhibited leader of a culture war against the popular gains of sexual, religious and racial rights nation that we have become.The founders assumed that the electors would elect a president of high morals and impeccable loyalty to the nation.
Where, When and Who didnt obey the law and why were they not investigated , exposed and prosecuted in a court of law. That is why courts exists and you must know that all citizens are considered innocent unless proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. WTF Foxfyre what are you hiding from?We have this. Democrat vote counters simply DIDNT OBEY THE LAW, and no one did anything about it
END2210170056What is your data baseline starting point to get to 99.9% honest and fair elections?
in the category of presidential elections since WWII ENDED will you tell me what you @Foxfyre believe is the current percentage point and how much below 99.9% honest and fair elections are we with our current process?
Fraud committed by voters is exceedingly rare, however allegations of voter fraud are ubiquitous. and thus millions are questioning their confidence in our elections. However, there’s a stark partisan divide on the question of trust in elections. 86% of Democrats and 60% of independents have a “great deal” or “good amount” of trust that elections are fair. Just 34% of Republicans agree.Not true. One third of independents believe it. Even a few million Democrats believe it. You just think ONLY Republicans believe it because you’ve been brainwashed into demonizing Republicans.
Strict election laws will make it harder to cheat, and that’s why Democrats are opposed.
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I agree that we want full LEGITIMATE participation.Fraud committed by voters is exceedingly rare, however allegations of voter fraud are ubiquitous. and thus millions are questioning their confidence in our elections. However, there’s a stark partisan divide on the question of trust in elections. 86% of Democrats and 60% of independents have a “great deal” or “good amount” of trust that elections are fair. Just 34% of Republicans agree.
Accusations are almost always leveled by opponents when reformers seek to make it easier to vote, not just at election time. The specter of voter fraud is used to scare people and justify rules that make it harder to vote for that segment of the population that already votes the least; the poor, new citizen voters, young people and racial minorities.
The issue is power and how democracy threatens the economic power of the wealthiest people and corporations in the country. Full participation will lead to a more representative electorate, which, in turn, will lead to a more equitable and just society, threatening the economic and racially privileged interests of elites.
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So what would be wrong with these four basic rules to gain the confidence of voters:Fraud committed by voters is exceedingly rare, however allegations of voter fraud are ubiquitous. and thus millions are questioning their confidence in our elections. However, there’s a stark partisan divide on the question of trust in elections. 86% of Democrats and 60% of independents have a “great deal” or “good amount” of trust that elections are fair. Just 34% of Republicans agree.
Accusations are almost always leveled by opponents when reformers seek to make it easier to vote, not just at election time. The specter of voter fraud is used to scare people and justify rules that make it harder to vote for that segment of the population that already votes the least; the poor, new citizen voters, young people and racial minorities.
The issue is power and how democracy threatens the economic power of the wealthiest people and corporations in the country. Full participation will lead to a more representative electorate, which, in turn, will lead to a more equitable and just society, threatening the economic and racially privileged interests of elites.
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NFBW: Not a single one of those reforms will gain the confidence or faith of religious non-reasonable voters or with the population of non/Christian voters who are rational, but know the potency of culture war politics ( Correll ) does for the Republican Party.So what would be wrong with these four basic rules to gain the confidence of voters:
Where, When and Who didnt obey the law and why were they not investigated , exposed and prosecuted in a court of law. That is why courts exists and you must know that all citizens are considered innocent unless proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. WTF Foxfyre what are you hiding from?
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My wife and I were both paid and volunteer poll workers for a number of years in several states. These are some typical Voting Irregulars we reported.Where, When and Who didnt obey the law and why were they not investigated , exposed and prosecuted in a court of law. That is why courts exists and you must know that all citizens are considered innocent unless proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. WTF Foxfyre what are you hiding from?
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Nowhere do you mention boxes, baskets and suitcases full of mail-in unverifiable ballots that appear out of nowhere after everyone is gone.My wife and I were both paid and volunteer poll workers for a number of years in several states. These are some typical Voting Irregulars we reported.
Before working the polls, we had to attend a class on procedures, laws and regulation that no one remembers. We had a sheet where we record irregularities and what was done. Also the monitors did the same thing. These sheets were sent in when the polls closed. The polling places we worked had lots voting, maybe 2,000 to 3,000 in a general election. I would say on average there were 5 to 10 exceptions turned in by poll workers at the end of the day. Here is the kind stuff that poll workers reported. The decision of what was illegal was made by people higher up the food chain.
The most common voter fraud is a person voting or trying to vote for a family member or friend who is not able to vote.
- Voter presents husband's ID, saying he was too sick to vote and she is voting for him. Voter not allowed to vote and given a verbal and written explanation of the regulations.
- Foreign national presents their green card as id and says he should be allowed to vote Voter not allowed to vote and given a verbal and written explanation of the regulations.
- Young woman claims she has not voted but registrar listing shows she has Allowed to vote with ballot marked for review
- Voter name and signature do not match registrar records Allowed to vote with ballot marked for review
- Voter campaigning for a candidate in the voter line. Voter Warned
- Voter ask poll worker for help voting, monitor claims she illegally coached him Allowed to vote with ballot marked for review
- Poll monitor reports a person voting without any identification or signing register Allowed to vote with ballot marked for review
If anyone is interested in real cases of voter fraud here are the court cases from Heritage Database.
