Planned Parenthood caught trafficking in human body parts

[koshergrl]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

So this is something they are doing ?

According to what they say in both tapes, yup.

 

[FA_Q2]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

 

[koshergrl]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

Both videos. They say the same thing in BOTH videos.

 

[sakinago]

If they were donating, they would have a set price on obtaining and shipping the "materials", there wouldn't be any haggling involved, outside of distance to the facility and cost of that transportation, but i'd imagine it's close by. Notice how she did not want to name a price first and made the joke about first person to do so loses. Makes me wonder how much she would have taken per specimen.

 

[koshergrl]

If they were donating, they would have a set price on obtaining and shipping the "materials", there wouldn't be any haggling involved, outside of distance to the facility and cost of that transportation, but i'd imagine it's close by. Notice how she did not want to name a price first and made the joke about first person to do so loses. Makes me wonder how much she would have taken per specimen.

Exactly! That's the "lowballing" conversation.

 

[FA_Q2]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

To which law do you refer?

You know that she specifically states it is illegal in the video but is not averse to making the suggestion to the doctor, right?

I love the whole "lowballing" part of the conversation. Especially the part where she says she wants a Lamborghini.

And therein is the problem. This really shows the intent of turning a profit. Not once do I see any exploration of the actual costs associated with PP for the collection. That is completely ignored. Instead they are looking at compensation in general. That lends a LOT of credence to the idea that this is an illegal sale. Further, the fact that she is utterly ignorant of the price makes no sense at all. This is NOT something that would be ‘negotiated.’ PP should know what it costs to collect and store the specimens and charge that amount according to law. Any negotiation would be irrelevant as that only relates to profit.


There is a problem on the other side though – these are supposed to be high level employees – not your general ground worker – and the compensation rates we are talking about are rather low. A hundred bucks a specimen for a hundred specimen a year is only going to net around 10 grand minus expenses. That hardly warrants anyone of any real power within the company to negotiate the terms. The question then is why they are having this conversation with these people and are they really trying to garner profit from these sales. It certainly sounds like to from the tape but it also seems rather like they are dealing with low numbers.

 

[Dragonlady]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

 

[FA_Q2]

If they were donating, they would have a set price on obtaining and shipping the "materials", there wouldn't be any haggling involved, outside of distance to the facility and cost of that transportation, but i'd imagine it's close by. Notice how she did not want to name a price first and made the joke about first person to do so loses. Makes me wonder how much she would have taken per specimen.

Ninja’d.

This is a major sticking point for me. There is but one purpose to a negotiation and that is determining profit margin.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

To which law do you refer?

You know that she specifically states it is illegal in the video but is not averse to making the suggestion to the doctor, right?

I love the whole "lowballing" part of the conversation. Especially the part where she says she wants a Lamborghini.

And therein is the problem. This really shows the intent of turning a profit. Not once do I see any exploration of the actual costs associated with PP for the collection. That is completely ignored. Instead they are looking at compensation in general. That lends a LOT of credence to the idea that this is an illegal sale. Further, the fact that she is utterly ignorant of the price makes no sense at all. This is NOT something that would be ‘negotiated.’ PP should know what it costs to collect and store the specimens and charge that amount according to law. Any negotiation would be irrelevant as that only relates to profit.


There is a problem on the other side though – these are supposed to be high level employees – not your general ground worker – and the compensation rates we are talking about are rather low. A hundred bucks a specimen for a hundred specimen a year is only going to net around 10 grand minus expenses. That hardly warrants anyone of any real power within the company to negotiate the terms. The question then is why they are having this conversation with these people and are they really trying to garner profit from these sales. It certainly sounds like to from the tape but it also seems rather like they are dealing with low numbers.

They don't have high level employees. The clinicians who work in PP abortion clinics can't get jobs in mainstream medicine. There is no oversight, often they aren't doctors.

 

[koshergrl]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

No, it isn't, and no it hasn't. You saying you don't like it doesn't make it a fraud, babykiller.

I imagine your favorite part is where they talk about how they avoid the "crunchy parts" in order to facilitate harvest, right?

 

[koshergrl]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

 

[koshergrl]

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

You can't be serious.

They hire butchers like dragonlady. Fanatical, felonious pukes.

 

[FA_Q2]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

The film, in its totality, was released. Sorry if that does not stick with your talking points.

Further, there is no fraud here – they are releasing a video that shows what seems to be PP selling those tissue donations. Simple as that. She made those statements and they are not taken out of context. The fact that they claimed to have represented a research company seeking those samples was stated in the video many times. It was not covered up.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's all about optics.

Only the hard core believers are going to back PP on this one.

They lost more stock on this one....fraudlent or not.

Scares me that you can't have dinner and not wind up on YouTube.

 

[BlindBoo]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

The video doesn't prove Planned Parenthood is doing anything illegal.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

No, it isn't, and no it hasn't. You saying you don't like it doesn't make it a fraud, babykiller.

I imagine your favorite part is where they talk about how they avoid the "crunchy parts" in order to facilitate harvest, right?

The claim of fraud is dismissive.

There is plenty that will resonate with people in this clip and I don't believe it was "fraudlent". Nobody does this and then fail to put max spin on it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

The video doesn't prove Planned Parenthood is doing anything illegal.

I don't know one way or the other...but they took a black eye.

 

[JoeB131]

Well yea, you can't have people offing your own master race, they needed their superior soldiers for world domination. What was ok was euthinizing their mentally challenged for fiscal reasons. Why did we encourage 98% of abortions... For fiscal reasons. If socialism is in control the less people there are the more there is to go around for everyone else. And if your best logical arguments are made up of name calling, and anyone who opposes my view must be a retard, then yea I guess we're done talking

Yes, Corky, I can see why the thought of euthanizing retards horrifies you. But you're a retard and I was done talking to you pages ago.

 

[JoeB131]

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

They also filed their tax status as a charity, even though they've done no charitable work in three years of existence.

 

[JoeB131]

I love the whole "lowballing" part of the conversation. Especially the part where she says she wants a Lamborghini.

You mean the part that was sardonic and no one would take seriously.