Pitbulls and Cats

[ChristisKing]

Yep, I thought the same thing. That kitty must be very well fed and had been around parakeets all its life in order to have any modicum of safety. I've had cats too and cats and birds just do not mix--- cats just kill birds even if they don't eat them.

Yeah I've seen the way my cat watches the birds outside. Trust me, I know.

 

[toobfreak]

Yeah I've seen the way my cat watches the birds outside. Trust me, I know.

Cats have a natural hunting instinct, and birds, chipmunks and squirrels are right on top of the list of items of greatest interest.

That cat with the bird was very young and had probably been around that parakeet all its life. They might be buddies now but I suspect the owner sat the bird on the cat just for the photo, under close supervision.

I would not trust the same cat with that same bird a year or two later when the cat was all grown up.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don't move a lot just planning on moving soon. I did twice when I was a kid and I haven't had a dog since I was a young adult. As for Pitbulls, I love the breed because I've volunteered walking them before and I love the neighborhood Pits. I just don't know much about owning one I have to admit.

They are so dangerous that cities have special laws concerning them.

 

[ChristisKing]

They are so dangerous that cities have special laws concerning them.

I wasn't aware then and neither were they. I mean I've heard about that but I'm talking about the Pitbulls I've petted and walked.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

They are so dangerous that cities have special laws concerning them.

They are dangerous with the wrong owner. (fixed it for you)

You can take a Lab or any other laid back breed, put it in a cage or kennel, throw it a few scraps and dirty water if at all and ignore it for days, only interacting with it to teach it to fight and/or beat & abuse it........or not know anything about it and just have a dog to have one, with no kind of training or exercise and expect it to figure it out on it's own.........and you could have a dangerous dog.

Those ^^^ examples are usually the type of lives those dangerous pit bulls come from. Either from breeders/fighting operations that only care about their dogs winning the fight, or people that just don't think about what they're getting into with dog ownership, then wonder why the dog bit or attacked someone.


You can take a pit bull, giving it proper training and guidance, plenty of exercise/mental stimulation, food and water, love and attention......and you'll get a couch potato willing to do anything for a belly rub and treats and would never hurt anyone....other than to protect their beloved owner


True enough there are plenty of towns, cities, counties, states or even neighborhoods that have breed specific legislation or bans, and that is based on the fears driven by the news that rarely include the details of why the dog became dangerous in the first place and everyone assumes if the dog is a pit bull it's born that way. Stereotypes hurt much more than help.

 

[toobfreak]

They are dangerous with the wrong owner. (fixed it for you)

The Ram is right. I know for a fact that some cities have had so many incidents with pitt bulls killing other dogs or maiming people (they either got loose out of their yards or off their leash and go after things) that the township has a special ordinance for owning those dogs now.

Pitt bulls have a bite strength of between 200-300 psi, depending on the breed.

 

[ChristisKing]

The Ram is right. I know for a fact that some cities have had so many incidents with pitt bulls killing other dogs or maiming people (they either got loose out of their yards or off their leash and go after things) that the township has a special ordinance for owning those dogs now.

Pitt bulls have a bite strength of between 200-300 psi, depending on the breed.

Again, would somebody tell these dogs that they're supposed to be dangerous?

 

[toobfreak]

Again, would somebody tell these dogs that they're supposed to be dangerous?

The thing is, some people buy pitt bulls and still train them to be fighters and killers, so you never know what you are getting with someone else's dog. Just something to be aware of. I remember just a few years ago there being something like 2-3 incidents in a rather short time where people were seriously injured or killed being attacked by these dogs that somehow got loose.

 

[ChristisKing]

The thing is, some people buy pitt bulls and still train them to be fighters and killers, so you never know what you are getting with someone else's dog. Just something to be aware of. I remember just a few years ago there being something like 2-3 incidents in a rather short time where people were seriously injured or killed being attacked by these dogs that somehow got loose.

I'm not denying the fact that they can be dangerous, I'm just saying that so far I haven't seen one.

 

[toobfreak]

I'm not denying the fact that they can be dangerous, I'm just saying that so far I haven't seen one.

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[ChristisKing]

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I meant in person.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

The Ram is right. I know for a fact that some cities have had so many incidents with pitt bulls killing other dogs or maiming people (they either got loose out of their yards or off their leash and go after things) that the township has a special ordinance for owning those dogs now.

Pitt bulls have a bite strength of between 200-300 psi, depending on the breed.

PSI for a Kengal is 743, Rottweiler is 328, American Bulldog (not a Pit) is 305, German Shepherd is 238 and American Pit Bull is 235 that puts it more in the middle of the PSI scale for bite strength. There are others with higher numbers, but most of those breeds are not as widely known or kept.....yet.

Here is one list of PSI's by breeds.....

Dog Bite Force Chart by Breeds | PSI (pounds per square inch)

Compare dog breeds by bite force (PSI) using our chart. Learn breed-specific risks and tips for safe handling and training.

dogchart.com

As for the high number of incidents involving Pits, yes I do agree they do happen and won't deny that, But I do argue to who's fault those incidences happen. Pits do have a very strong prey drive that does often lead them to take off after smaller dogs, cats, maybe even kids. Pits are also more dog aggressive......meaning they would go after another dog before anything else. And my thoughts here are any potential owner of a pit should know that and take extra precautions to avoid those possibilities. As I've said many times before, they are not your typical dog that you can feed & home and expect it to lay at your feet in submission.

Strong fencing should be mandatory and to have a mutual respect with the dog, and some kind of training so that when taking it on a leash it doesn't bolt after any perspective 'prey'. They are strong and could drag you behind if you don't have a solid hold on them and is why training is important. Any lack of said training or fencing or any attacks that are a result, isn't really the dogs fault.

 

[toobfreak]

PSI for a Kengal is 743, Rottweiler is 328, American Bulldog (not a Pit) is 305, German Shepherd is 238 and American Pit Bull is 235 that puts it more in the middle of the PSI scale for bite strength.

Yeah, I know where the bite strength falls.
It is not just about bite strength but obviously how and where these dogs bite you.
BTW, an American bulldog is a type of pitt bull.

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[ChristisKing]

I do believe that American Bulldogs are similar but different to Pitbulls.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Again, would somebody tell these dogs that they're supposed to be dangerous?

They may be docile little bundles of love 99% of the time. Then they kill someone. And you end up paying the consequences. And I do mean pay. Don't pick a dog that has the potential to destroy your life when there are so many that you don't have to worry about.

 

[ChristisKing]

They may be docile little bundles of love 99% of the time. Then they kill someone. And you end up paying the consequences. And I do mean pay. Don't pick a dog that has the ability to destroy your life.

Again all of the Pitbulls that I've known never killed anybody or anybody attacked anyone. One Pittie passed away a few years ago and she died never growling or biting somebody. At least that I'm aware of.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Again all of the Pitbulls that I've known never killed anybody or anybody attacked anyone. One Pittie passed away a few years ago and she died never growling or biting somebody. At least that I'm aware of.

It's the luck of the draw...

 

[ChristisKing]

It's the luck of the draw...

Again have you ever actually met a Pitbull in real life? Please answer honestly.

 

[toobfreak]

They may be docile little bundles of love 99% of the time. Then they kill someone. And you end up paying the consequences. And I do mean pay. Don't pick a dog that has the potential to destroy your life when there are so many that you don't have to worry about.

About 20 years ago, a good buddy of mine adopted a dog. Not sure which kind, it was small and black. It was farm country sort of with lots of space between homes. I went out there one day and they had the dog in a cage. This dog became enraged and fiercely wanted to chew right through the steel and bite my leg off. Dogs usually respond well to me. They explained that the dog had been abused by a guy (previous owner) and didn't respond well to men.

Over time (we lived far apart) I went over there one day and when I knocked and opened the front door to let them know I was there (it was like an hour's drive or more by highway hauling ass, he actually lived in a different city), I don't know what happened, but the dog figured out I was a friend, their owner's buddy, and he transformed, accepted me and was my buddy now too. Nice as a doll.

After that, every time I went over, the dog was out and first thing I did was locate him (usually out back), and give him a lot of love. We were best friends. Then something happened and somehow someone at his neighbor's house maybe 200 feet away got involved; maybe they came over, I don't know, but the dog attacked and bit someone, probably thinking it was doing his job protecting his people.

At any rate, my buddy was very concerned, he could not afford a liability lawsuit and felt his only option was to put the dog down. Shame as it was the nicest dog in the world--- so long as he knew you.

If he didn't know you, your ass was grass.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Yeah, I know where the bite strength falls.
It is not just about bite strength but obviously how and where these dogs bite you.
BTW, an American bulldog is a type of pitt bull.

5 Types of Pit Bull Breeds for Dog Lovers

Explore five pit bull-type breeds, like the American Staffordshire terrier and American bully, known for their loyalty, affection, and muscular build.

www.thesprucepets.com

5 Types of Pit Bull Dog Breeds - Epic dogs tales

Pit Bull dogs are often misunderstood due to myths and misconceptions about their temperament. However, these breeds are known for their loyalty, intelligence, and affectionate nature. This blog will explore five distinct types of Pit Bull dog breeds, each with its own unique personality and...

epicdogstales.com

These dogs (Pits) or any dog??? Even a Chihuahua can bite your jugular and kill you, though less likely to happen.

There are even a few threads on here addressing pit bull attacks and 2 I remember off the top of my head.

One being a shelter staff person was mauled to death by 2 pits, but digging into the story further revealed several Pit Bull dogs had recently been seized from a fighting operation and the staffer was trying to put a second dog into the same kennel. All I can say to that is WHY? Why put 2 dogs fresh from fighting into the same kennel??? All those dogs should have been kept separated until the shelter could do thorough assessments. It was a very unfortunate situation for the staffer and even the two dogs that were then euthanized for it. Lots of publicity

The second had to do with a woman that owned 2 dogs, one was locked in a van that was a female in heat, but not sure of her breed. The other dog was pacing the van and becoming more agitated and aggressive and eventually the cops shot and killed the dog(?) I don't remember all of the story, but I know I came away thinking you have an intact male outside, with a hot female inside and you're running around only escalating the situation. When a female is in heat within a mile, any male dog only knows one thing and one thing only.........and that's to mate with her. And they do get very aggressive. All dogs do.


And yes there are 100's of similar stories involving aggressive dogs, most of the time the press focuses on Pits. Just as they did with German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans and other protective breeds in the past that have put those dogs in an unfavorable category that prospective dog owners had turned to Pits as the new status symbol for being big, bad, tough. Because of all the negativity surrounding Pits, they are falling from favor and being replaced by those other bigger, badder, tougher breeds that rate higher on the PSI list.


I just think the world loses more from stereotyping......whether it be dog breeds, or people of X race, religion, politics, etc.....than it ever wins. There are good and bad of everything and everyone, it's just a shame to always focus on the bad without including the good for a more balanced world.