PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question — Obama Deleted it in 2010 — Why?

[White_MAGA_Man]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Why is self-explanatory.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

**** you people are stupid. But that is what bullshit merchants like the Fakeway pundit counts on.

That is not the Census, that is the American Community Survey. The 2010 Census was one page and had 10 questions.

2010 - History - U.S. Census Bureau

The American Community Survey goes out to less than 5% of the households and will still contain that question this year.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

Obama wanted the Census question of "Are you a US citizen" removed from the questionnaire, because Obama didnt want to have to lie on it. If he said he wasn't a US citizen, everything he did in office would be null and void.

 

[kyzr]

Adding the citizenship question helps red states
Deleting the citizenship question helps blue states
It's all about political power, so what else is new...

 

[Mac1958]

**** you people are stupid. But that is what bullshit merchants like the Fakeway pundit counts on.
That is not the Census, that is the American Community Survey. The 2010 Census was one page and had 10 questions.
2010 - History - U.S. Census Bureau

Well, it's the Gateway Pundit, a "news" source in the Trumpiverse.
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[JoeB131]

Adding the citizenship question helps red states
Deleting the citizenship question helps blue states
It's all about political power, so what else is new...

Actually, what it does is makes the census less accurate.

Obviously, none of you nitwits has ever worked as a census enumerator.

We don't count by people, we count by residences.

So here's what happens. They send out the Census forms, and about 70% of people actually bother to fill them out and return them. (This is what happened in 2010). The Census bureau then hires a bunch of "Enumerators" to go to each and every address that did not return a form. (I've done this twice in 2000 and 2010).

Most people are cooperative, but you get a few who aren't. Some are indeed undocumented citizens. Some of htem are right wing nuts who think that the government merely knowing where you live is part of some vast globalist conspiracy to put a micro-chip in their ass. If we can't get the person to come to the door, we ask their neighbors.

So the enumerators gather as much info as they can, and then the rest are passed along to the next level of checking, which usually involves checking public records, school records, utility companies, and so on.

Now, here's the thing. Undocumented immigrants are already undercounted, because they know how to stay under the radar. So Trump's usual modus oporendi of just being a mean prick really won't have that much of an effect. The Census Bureau will figure out someone lives there with three kids, and that will still count, their citizenship status not being germain to the issue.

 

[kyzr]

Adding the citizenship question helps red states
Deleting the citizenship question helps blue states
It's all about political power, so what else is new...

Actually, what it does is makes the census less accurate.

Obviously, none of you nitwits has ever worked as a census enumerator.

We don't count by people, we count by residences.

So here's what happens. They send out the Census forms, and about 70% of people actually bother to fill them out and return them. (This is what happened in 2010). The Census bureau then hires a bunch of "Enumerators" to go to each and every address that did not return a form. (I've done this twice in 2000 and 2010).

Most people are cooperative, but you get a few who aren't. Some are indeed undocumented citizens. Some of htem are right wing nuts who think that the government merely knowing where you live is part of some vast globalist conspiracy to put a micro-chip in their ass. If we can't get the person to come to the door, we ask their neighbors.

So the enumerators gather as much info as they can, and then the rest are passed along to the next level of checking, which usually involves checking public records, school records, utility companies, and so on.

Now, here's the thing. Undocumented immigrants are already under-counted, because they know how to stay under the radar. So Trump's usual modus-oporendi of just being a mean prick really won't have that much of an effect. The Census Bureau will figure out someone lives there with three kids, and that will still count, their citizenship status not being germain to the issue.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It seems that the consensus is that, if possible, illegals avoid being counted.
Point being that counting illegals take congressional reps and Federal dollars from red states. So its not being a "mean prick" to want citizens counted fairly to apportion reps and dollars equitably. I personally do NOT want illegals counted, I want fair congressional representation and Federal dollars.

 

[White_MAGA_Man]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

Obama wanted the Census question of "Are you a US citizen" removed from the questionnaire, because Obama didnt want to have to lie on it. If he said he wasn't a US citizen, everything he did in office would be null and void.

So true, especially after the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office did a lengthy investigation and found his long form birth certificate posted on the White House website to be 100% fraudulent.

 

[pinqy]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

Before the 2019 census, there were two versions of the census. The form you showed was not sent to everyone.

The short form, asked address, type of residence, telephone number, sex, race, ethnicity, and if the person lived somewhere else

The long form asked a lot of other question like education, citizenship, number of toilets in the house, etc.

The long form had a lot of problems with response. So Census replaced it with the American Community Survey, which is conducted every year and collects all the info in the long form.

So....no, not everyone one was asked, and the information is now collected all the time instead of every ten years.

So why put the question on the form? It’s unnecessary for statistical purposes

 

[debbiedowner]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

A citizenship question has not been on a census survey sent to 100% of households since 1950. That is 70 years between two decennial census surveys with a planned citizenship question. Furthermore, the citizenship question used in 1950 is different than the one proposed for the 2020 Census.

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.o...hs re Citizenship Question Final 6.6.2018.pdf

Gateway and Meadows are wrong.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

A citizenship question has not been on a census survey sent to 100% of households since 1950. That is 70 years between two decennial census surveys with a planned citizenship question. Furthermore, the citizenship question used in 1950 is different than the one proposed for the 2020 Census.

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/AAJC NALEO Debunking the Myths re Citizenship Question Final 6.6.2018.pdf

Gateway and Meadows are wrong.

They are not wrong, they are willfully lying and they know that none of their readers have the IQ to dig for the information on their own

 

[debbiedowner]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

A citizenship question has not been on a census survey sent to 100% of households since 1950. That is 70 years between two decennial census surveys with a planned citizenship question. Furthermore, the citizenship question used in 1950 is different than the one proposed for the 2020 Census.

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/AAJC NALEO Debunking the Myths re Citizenship Question Final 6.6.2018.pdf

Gateway and Meadows are wrong.

They are not wrong, they are willfully lying and they know that none of their readers have the IQ to dig for the information on their own

While I agree most of them have an IQ of a spoon some are just lazy and basically want free shit and let someone else do the research.

 

[JoeB131]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It seems that the consensus is that, if possible, illegals avoid being counted.
Point being that counting illegals take congressional reps and Federal dollars from red states. So its not being a "mean prick" to want citizens counted fairly to apportion reps and dollars equitably. I personally do NOT want illegals counted, I want fair congressional representation and Federal dollars.

Well, that's fine and all, but the fact is, the dollars should be allocated where people actually are.

The constitution (remember that) doesn't call for "citizens", it calls for persons to be counted.

If we are going that route, we currently have 2 million people in prison. They are counted in the red-districts where their prisons are located, but they are not allowed to vote, even though they are citizens. So how is that fair?

The thing is, as things stand NOW, the red states get inordinate amounts of representation and money based on the current system.

The money you whine about not being distributed equitably? Check out this map.

Blue states like IL and NY are barely getting back what they pay into the system, while red states like OK, MT, MS and AL get back twice as much as they send. That's all manner of fucked up, but here you are whining you aren't getting your Fair share" the red states.

 

[kyzr]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It seems that the consensus is that, if possible, illegals avoid being counted.
Point being that counting illegals take congressional reps and Federal dollars from red states. So its not being a "mean prick" to want citizens counted fairly to apportion reps and dollars equitably. I personally do NOT want illegals counted, I want fair congressional representation and Federal dollars.

Well, that's fine and all, but the fact is, the dollars should be allocated where people actually are.

The constitution (remember that) doesn't call for "citizens", it calls for persons to be counted.

If we are going that route, we currently have 2 million people in prison. They are counted in the red-districts where their prisons are located, but they are not allowed to vote, even though they are citizens. So how is that fair?

The thing is, as things stand NOW, the red states get inordinate amounts of representation and money based on the current system.

The money you whine about not being distributed equitably? Check out this map.

Blue states like IL and NY are barely getting back what they pay into the system, while red states like OK, MT, MS and AL get back twice as much as they send. That's all manner of fucked up, but here you are whining you aren't getting your Fair share" the red states.

1. Not to get into debating the Constitution's wording, but they did not have 30m or so illegals invading the US skewing the census. The citizenship question is legal and has been used before many times. Not using it may skew congressional representation and Fed dollars. This is a separate argument, as discussed above...
2. Prisoners are generally in stir for a few years, they don't vote as part of their debt to society. They vote if they stay legal when out.
3. Look at the Fed tax money returned per person/citizen. The poorer states get more Fed dollars, most states do fine, not a blue/red issue.
4. See if you can find a map based on "Fed tax paid/Fed dollars returned per citizen", no one is getting gypped.
5. Even that woud be skewed since we don't break out Fed dollars for military bases, or Federal workers in a state, or Fed contracts, etc.

 

[Mac1958]

Share your thoughts why Obama would do this.


PHOTO: The 2000 US Census Asked Citizenship Question -- Obama Deleted it in 2010 -- Trump Wants It Back in 2020

A citizenship question has not been on a census survey sent to 100% of households since 1950. That is 70 years between two decennial census surveys with a planned citizenship question. Furthermore, the citizenship question used in 1950 is different than the one proposed for the 2020 Census.

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/AAJC NALEO Debunking the Myths re Citizenship Question Final 6.6.2018.pdf

Gateway and Meadows are wrong.

They are not wrong, they are willfully lying and they know that none of their readers have the IQ to dig for the information on their own

I have a Facebook friend who's a hardcore Trumpster. She constantly posts "news" stories, literally 5 to 10 per day, about the craziest shit.

I've checked many of them out. They're almost always from some alternate universe "news" site, and almost always demonstrably made-up fantasy.

People often say things like, "um, this isn't true. Here's proof that it's just not true", but she never responds to them and just keeps posting the fantasies.

Not good.
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[Care4all]

I personally do NOT want illegals counted, I want fair congressional representation and Federal dollars.

But that just screws the rest of the citizens in your state, and it is not your fault or my fault or even the States fault for having crappy federal immigration laws and enforcement... they would not be in the united states and living in your or my state at all, if the federal government were doing their jobs, before they ever ended up in your state or my state... more than half is letting legal visas expire and allowing those who had them, stay here.

Anyway... the money allotted to your or my state comes from the number of residents that your or my state has in their jurisdiction... that the State has to police, and school, and provide emergency healthcare for, and fire fighters for, and roads for and food stamps for, on meeting federal mandates, and so on and so forth...

Without every permanent resident being counted, your state and my state gets less of the money back, that the people in our states send the federal gvt in income taxes, while STILL having the wear and tear and usage on infrastructure/programs etc in these states... this gives less money back for our States to provide for us citizens.

 

[pinqy]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It seems that the consensus is that, if possible, illegals avoid being counted.
Point being that counting illegals take congressional reps and Federal dollars from red states. So its not being a "mean prick" to want citizens counted fairly to apportion reps and dollars equitably. I personally do NOT want illegals counted, I want fair congressional representation and Federal dollars.

Well, that's fine and all, but the fact is, the dollars should be allocated where people actually are.

The constitution (remember that) doesn't call for "citizens", it calls for persons to be counted.

If we are going that route, we currently have 2 million people in prison. They are counted in the red-districts where their prisons are located, but they are not allowed to vote, even though they are citizens. So how is that fair?

The thing is, as things stand NOW, the red states get inordinate amounts of representation and money based on the current system.

The money you whine about not being distributed equitably? Check out this map.

Blue states like IL and NY are barely getting back what they pay into the system, while red states like OK, MT, MS and AL get back twice as much as they send. That's all manner of fucked up, but here you are whining you aren't getting your Fair share" the red states.

1. Not to get into debating the Constitution's wording, but they did not have 30m or so illegals invading the US skewing the census.

They had 0 illegal immigrants. Do you wish to implement the immigration controls they had in place then?

The citizenship question is legal and has been used before many times.

But is now collected regularly with the American Community Survey. So there is no legitimate statistical reason to ask it in the Census.

 

[JoeB131]

1. Not to get into debating the Constitution's wording, but they did not have 30m or so illegals invading the US skewing the census. The citizenship question is legal and has been used before many times. Not using it may skew congressional representation and Fed dollars. This is a separate argument, as discussed above...

Nowhere near 30M UNDOCUMENTED immigrants. (No one is "Illegal"). Not using it means we get an ACCURATE count of who is here.

That's all the census does, provides a count.

2. Prisoners are generally in stir for a few years, they don't vote as part of their debt to society. They vote if they stay legal when out.

Actually, no, they don't. But why not count them as being at their place of residence instead of in prison, which skews the count.

3. Look at the Fed tax money returned per person/citizen. The poorer states get more Fed dollars, most states do fine, not a blue/red issue.
4. See if you can find a map based on "Fed tax paid/Fed dollars returned per citizen", no one is getting gypped.
5. Even that woud be skewed since we don't break out Fed dollars for military bases, or Federal workers in a state, or Fed contracts, etc.

You do realize the map you showed STILL has the Red states getting over on the Blue states, right.

of the top six, five were red states.

 

[OKTexas]

Adding the citizenship question helps red states
Deleting the citizenship question helps blue states
It's all about political power, so what else is new...

Actually, what it does is makes the census less accurate.

Obviously, none of you nitwits has ever worked as a census enumerator.

We don't count by people, we count by residences.

So here's what happens. They send out the Census forms, and about 70% of people actually bother to fill them out and return them. (This is what happened in 2010). The Census bureau then hires a bunch of "Enumerators" to go to each and every address that did not return a form. (I've done this twice in 2000 and 2010).

Most people are cooperative, but you get a few who aren't. Some are indeed undocumented citizens. Some of htem are right wing nuts who think that the government merely knowing where you live is part of some vast globalist conspiracy to put a micro-chip in their ass. If we can't get the person to come to the door, we ask their neighbors.

So the enumerators gather as much info as they can, and then the rest are passed along to the next level of checking, which usually involves checking public records, school records, utility companies, and so on.

Now, here's the thing. Undocumented immigrants are already undercounted, because they know how to stay under the radar. So Trump's usual modus oporendi of just being a mean prick really won't have that much of an effect. The Census Bureau will figure out someone lives there with three kids, and that will still count, their citizenship status not being germain to the issue.

"undocumented citizens" is that the cousin of unicorns or pixy dust? And citizenship is very germane to the issue, read Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.

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