Pentagon officials discussing how to respond if Trump issues controversial orders

[Vrenn]

If you think Mac Aurthur was one of America's finest generals, you are a moron. Mac surrounded himself with yes men and believed his own propaganda. He attacked the WWI vets demonstrating for benefits, he screwed up the defense of the Philippines by the numbers, he screwed up the defense of Korea, he refused to believe the intelligence from his own G-2 that the Chinese were about to attack at Chosin, he openly disrespected the POTUS in both WWII and Korea. He consistently underestimated his enemies and lied to his allies. The only reason he had any victories in WWII and Korea was a massive technological and numerical superiority over his opponents.

And another first. He got fired by an ex shoe salesman.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Actives CANNOT be used on the border like that without the express permission of Congress.

Active-duty military CAN be used on the border, they just can't be used for law enforcement within the United States. The Army used to patrol the borders all the time before the twentieth century.

 

[Vrenn]

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Indeed, remember when Harry S. Truman relieved Gen. MacArthur from duty.
Presidents have the authority to fire (releived of duty) any officer of the military that refuses to obey orders of the president.
Gen. Milley, Austin, Vindman, and others at the Pentagon that have contributed to the decline of our military overall,
It appears that Obama went steps further by purging the General Officer and Non-Commissioned Officer Corps of our military across the board, thus weakening our military ans can bee seen today.

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Interpretation: Commander in Chief Clause | Constitution Center

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President Truman relieves General MacArthur of duties in Korea | April 11, 1951 | HISTORY

In perhaps the most famous civilian-military confrontation in the history of the United States, President Harry S. Truman relieves General Douglas MacArthur of command of the U.S. forces in Korea. The firing of MacArthur set off a brief uproar among the American public, but Truman remained...

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Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years

Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving... Read More

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/obama-legacy/military-generals-commander-of-us-forces.html

He can fire but not Court Marshall at will. He can force any Member (not just officer) to retire as soon as possible. In otherwards, fulfil his current enlistment.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

You also think a lot of yourself to contest Merriam Webster.

Bitch, please.

A person can be COURT MARTIALED. It has been done since there have been court martials.

No. People can be accused of violating military law. They, then, may or may not choose to avail themselves of the court to contest the charges against them. And it's courtS martial.

 

[DonGlock26]

Again, Milley retired Sept 30, 2023. Catch up!

So what?

 

[Doc7505]

Okay, stupid. You got it. But this is really old news and you should have already been aware of it.

Generals WIN battle with Trump as 82nd Airborne soldiers are REMOVED from D.C. after chairman of joint chiefs publicly slammed President and told his troops to 'uphold the Constitution'​

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Soldiers called to Washington, D.C., may soon be going home, says senior defense official​

Active Duty Troops On Standby Outside Washington, D.C., Being Sent Back To Home Bases​

Had enough, stupid?

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All it would have taken is one call and these officers refusing direct orders of the president and they should have been replaced.
Remember that Obama did it to General Carter Ham and Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette in 2012 during the Benghazi scandal that cost the lices of an ambassador and three Americans.

 

[DonGlock26]

How does he fire Milley since he retired a while back?

I didn't say "fire" concerning Milley.

 

[DonGlock26]

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I agree, Trump should have Milley returned to active duty and proceed to charge him under the articles of the Military Code of Conduct.
Then "Cashier" Milley.
Read more:

What is Cashiering?

Cashiering is a type of military discipline in which a person is stripped of his or her rank, privilege, and responsibility in a...

www.historicalindex.org

You get it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So what?

He hasn't been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for over a year. You talk like he is still there.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I didn't say "fire" concerning Milley.

You cannot court martial him either. Who will sit on the court, as he was the senior officer in the military at the time? Who is the convening authority? He is still senior to all officers currently serving. As such, he was and remains court martial proof. You could hurt him far worse by writing him a letter of reprimand, rolling it up, and sticking him in the eye.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Okay, stupid. You got it. But this is really old news and you should have already been aware of it.

Generals WIN battle with Trump as 82nd Airborne soldiers are REMOVED from D.C. after chairman of joint chiefs publicly slammed President and told his troops to 'uphold the Constitution'​

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Soldiers called to Washington, D.C., may soon be going home, says senior defense official​

Active Duty Troops On Standby Outside Washington, D.C., Being Sent Back To Home Bases​

Had enough, stupid?

Except that they were never actually used. They were in the region, but it was the National Guard that was actually used.

The possibility of using active duty forces was "heavily discussed" at this point because it was not clear if National Guard troops could be called in quickly enough...."They were on the outskirts (of Washington) because we didn't want to do it," McCarthy said.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...ders-national-guard-to-pull-out-of-washington

 

[Nobody911]

The first thing Trump should do is court martial Milley. Then he can fire any flag officer involved in woke nonsense for a lack of confidence in their leadership. After that, he can fire any flag officer unwilling to follow lawful orders to secure the nation's borders.


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When a U.S. president issues controversial orders, several mechanisms and solutions can be employed to address the situation:

1. Checks and Balances: The U.S. government is structured with three branches—executive, legislative, and judicial. Congress can respond to controversial orders by passing legislation to counteract or limit the president’s actions. Additionally, the judicial branch can review the legality of the orders, potentially ruling them unconstitutional.

2. Public Accountability: Civil society, media, and public opinion play crucial roles. Protests, advocacy, and media scrutiny can pressure the administration to reconsider its actions. Grassroots movements and lobbying can rally support for alternative approaches or policies.

3. Internal Resistance: Within the executive branch, officials can express dissent or resign in protest. Whistleblower protections encourage individuals to expose unethical or illegal orders, fostering accountability within government ranks.

4. State and Local Responses: States can challenge federal orders through litigation or by enacting their own laws that oppose federal directives. This can create a patchwork of compliance and resistance.

5. Electoral Processes: Ultimately, the electorate has the power to change leadership through elections. Citizens can advocate for candidates who align with their values and priorities, influencing the direction of government policy.

Overall, a combination of institutional checks, public engagement, internal dissent, and electoral action provides viable solutions to address controversial presidential orders.

If Trump acts just like Hitler, the Blue party will undoubtedly win the next presidential election.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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All it would have taken is one call and these officers refusing direct orders of the president and they should have been replaced.
Remember that Obama did it to General Carter Ham and Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette in 2012 during the Benghazi scandal that cost the lices of an ambassador and three Americans.

Unfortunate typo there!

 

[DonGlock26]

He hasn't been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for over a year. You talk like he is still there.

His call to the communist Chinese military needs to be investigated and if necessary he needs to be prosecuted.

 

[DonGlock26]

You cannot court martial him either. Who will sit on the court, as he was the senior officer in the military at the time? Who is the convening authority? He is still senior to all officers currently serving. As such, he was and remains court martial proof. You could hurt him far worse by writing him a letter of reprimand, rolling it up, and sticking him in the eye.

So, the highest general is immune to the UCMJ?

 

[Vrenn]

Except that they were never actually used. They were in the region, but it was the National Guard that was actually used.

The possibility of using active duty forces was "heavily discussed" at this point because it was not clear if National Guard troops could be called in quickly enough...."They were on the outskirts (of Washington) because we didn't want to do it," McCarthy said.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...ders-national-guard-to-pull-out-of-washington

First of all, it wasn't up to them whether they wanted to do it or not. It was an illegal order for active duty troops. But not for the Washington DC National Guard which is strictly controlled by the President of the United States and can be used in that manner as long as they are not Federalized. For instance, if a President were to mobilize a National Guard outside of DC, he would have to Federalize them and that point, they are then subject to the UCMJ and not State laws. If they are not Federalized then they are the resources of the Respective Governor.

 

[DonGlock26]

When a U.S. president issues controversial orders, several mechanisms and solutions can be employed to address the situation:

1. Checks and Balances: The U.S. government is structured with three branches—executive, legislative, and judicial. Congress can respond to controversial orders by passing legislation to counteract or limit the president’s actions. Additionally, the judicial branch can review the legality of the orders, potentially ruling them unconstitutional.

2. Public Accountability: Civil society, media, and public opinion play crucial roles. Protests, advocacy, and media scrutiny can pressure the administration to reconsider its actions. Grassroots movements and lobbying can rally support for alternative approaches or policies.

3. Internal Resistance: Within the executive branch, officials can express dissent or resign in protest. Whistleblower protections encourage individuals to expose unethical or illegal orders, fostering accountability within government ranks.

4. State and Local Responses: States can challenge federal orders through litigation or by enacting their own laws that oppose federal directives. This can create a patchwork of compliance and resistance.

5. Electoral Processes: Ultimately, the electorate has the power to change leadership through elections. Citizens can advocate for candidates who align with their values and priorities, influencing the direction of government policy.

Overall, a combination of institutional checks, public engagement, internal dissent, and electoral action provides viable solutions to address controversial presidential orders.

If Trump acts just like Hitler, the Blue party will undoubtedly win the next presidential election.

And, Democrats use to say the Deep State doesn't exist. What a difference an election can make.

 

[Vrenn]

So, the highest general is immune to the UCMJ?

And exactly what did Milley do that was against the UCMJ? Be specific because anything you give will be researched.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

His call to the communist Chinese military needs to be investigated and if necessary he needs to be prosecuted.

How? Why don't you explain that part first? Oh, wait... I know! You have not a clue, right?

 

[DonGlock26]

How? Why don't you explain that part first? Oh, wait... I know! You have not a clue, right?

Wrong.