PBS and rethinking the conservative argument

[JoeB131]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

 

[blastoff]

So your parents were as f-ed up as you. That explains a lot.

 

[JoeB131]

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You have the right to justify your newfound socialist leanings (evidently you didn't have them until things got rough for you) any way you like but given your circumstances it certainly smacks of sour grapes.

Yes, I am very bitter that a few rich assholes fucked it up for the rest of us.

And honestly, I wish I could say I was a better person. I wish I could honestly say that I turned on Bush when he let Katrina wipe out NOLA in 05 or when he lied us into a war in 03, or when he proved to be nearly a complete retard in 01.

But I was one of these moralistic right wing assholes who was terribly upset that Clinton lied about a blow job.

Now I know better. Personal morality does not mean an ability to govern. Bush might even be a nice man, but he never should have been president.

 

[blastoff]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

Here we go again. Lemme guess...the other 10% were self-promos?

 

[JoeB131]

So your parents were as f-ed up as you. That explains a lot.

Yeah, my Dad only served in WWII, at Normandy and the Bulge, then came back, got a good job as a union sheet metal guy, raised five kids to be solid citizens. Built a nice fishing cabin up in Wisconsin.

Then he died at 56 because the asbestos he encountered on the job wasn't as safe as the corporate assholes said it was.

My mom, of course, was an art teacher, and people tell me they became professional artists today because of what she taught them.

I mean, what was wrong with them... serving their country and their community, working hard at jobs, being parents. Man, what were they thinking.

 

[JoeB131]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

Here we go again. Lemme guess...the other 10% were self-promos?

Nobody wants their product associated with that shit anymore.

 

[kaz]

Actually, I made them a shitload of money. But their policy was to fire anyone who might run up medical insurance

Oh, by the way, that's totally illegal, and they did give me a bunch of "Please don't sue us" money before I left.

In the six years since I left, they've hired and fired six people who did what I did.

Bull. You know nothing about business, a critical requirement to being a liberal.

You made lots of money for them, but they fired you and replaced you. And you couldn't get another job that paid remotely what that one did. I'm calling you a flat out liar.

Your boy Bush destroyed the economy. Unlike a lot of people, I landed on my feet.

One of my colleagues at this place, backstabbing wench that she was, but she kissed managements ass. She got fired, too, and it took her two years to find another job.

And frankly, I get a little bored with conservatives and LiberTARDians telling us about "business". You all took the great economy Clinton left you and managed to completely **** it up.

What really amazes me, with most recessions happening on Republican watches, is why we listen to you at all.

When I was growing up in the 1970's, my parents remarked that Republicans brought us recessions and Democrats brought us wars.

Now Republicans bring us both.

Good job.

LOL, another lie uncovered and another lie told.

Another lie uncovered: your parents were Democrats, you support every Democrat position, yet you were a Republican.

Another lie told: Last time you said you took a massive pay cut. You landed on your ass. Your company was fine. They didn't fire you because of your medical bills, they fired you because you sucked.

You should stick with the truth. As ugly as it is for you, you suck at lying.

No wonder you like PBS, no confusion. They only tell you what you want to hear.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

I don't listen to commercial radio and I don't listen to idiot talking heads on the air either.

I tend to listen to Pandora internet radio or my own music.

And I'm fine with ending government public service announcements. The last thing I want to hear is some idiot government stooge or corrupt politician telling me what they think is good for me

 

[Skull Pilot]

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You have the right to justify your newfound socialist leanings (evidently you didn't have them until things got rough for you) any way you like but given your circumstances it certainly smacks of sour grapes.

Yes, I am very bitter that a few rich assholes fucked it up for the rest of us.

Don't include me in your whine fest. No rich person ever took anything from me.

In fact more of my money goes to people like you who think they deserve more than what they can earn than it does to any rich guy.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL, another lie uncovered and another lie told.

Another lie uncovered: your parents were Democrats, you support every Democrat position, yet you were a Republican.

Um, no, not really. My Dad leaned more Republican. He even though Nixon was a great guy ("They all did it, he got caught.") And voted for every Republican except batshit crazy Barry Goldwater, whom he thought was a fraud.

Of course, this was before the GOP got dominated by religious crazies, so I can understand your confusion. It's when they treated LiberTARDians like what they were- right wing hippies.

you see, here was the thing. Nixon started OSHA and the EPA. In short, he put the needs of working people and the environment above that of big corporations.

Indicently, their statement about wars and recessions was not an endorsement. They actually considered wars to be worse than recessions, and Dad lived through one.

Another lie told: Last time you said you took a massive pay cut. You landed on your ass. Your company was fine. They didn't fire you because of your medical bills, they fired you because you sucked.

Um, okay, I was there and you weren't.

For the record, keeping employed in the 2008 Crash was an accomplishment. A lot of people lost their jobs and never worked again. 2008 was a great opportunity for the 1%ers to reshuffle the deck in their favor.

You should stick with the truth. As ugly as it is for you, you suck at lying.

No wonder you like PBS, no confusion. They only tell you what you want to hear.

I almost never watch PBS. Reality is, I'm rarely home long enough to sit down and watch TV anymore.

But boy, your reality must be pretty fragile if you want to deny what other people's life experiences are and why they might change their minds.

 

[JoeB131]

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You have the right to justify your newfound socialist leanings (evidently you didn't have them until things got rough for you) any way you like but given your circumstances it certainly smacks of sour grapes.

Yes, I am very bitter that a few rich assholes fucked it up for the rest of us.

Don't include me in your whine fest. No rich person ever took anything from me.

In fact more of my money goes to people like you who think they deserve more than what they can earn than it does to any rich guy.

Every one of your posts is expressing your "I've got mine, **** you" attitude.

We totally get that.

Who cares about dead kids, as long as I don't have to fill out extra paperwork to have a gun.

Who cares about poor people as long as I don't have to pay taxes.

you want the benefits of a civilized society without the payments. We get that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes, I am very bitter that a few rich assholes fucked it up for the rest of us.

Don't include me in your whine fest. No rich person ever took anything from me.

In fact more of my money goes to people like you who think they deserve more than what they can earn than it does to any rich guy.

Every one of your posts is expressing your "I've got mine, **** you" attitude.

We totally get that.

Who cares about dead kids, as long as I don't have to fill out extra paperwork to have a gun.

Who cares about poor people as long as I don't have to pay taxes.

you want the benefits of a civilized society without the payments. We get that.

No one is stopping you from getting anything you want.

The simple fact is that the government doesn't give a shit about you and neither do most of the people on this planet.

The sooner you learn that and realize that you're never going to get anywhere or achieve anything unless you do it yourself the sooner you earn the right to be called a adult.

the best you can be called now is a whiny 5 year old.

 

[JoeB131]

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No one is stopping you from getting anything you want.

The simple fact is that the government doesn't give a shit about you and neither do most of the people on this planet.

The sooner you learn that and realize that you're never going to get anywhere or achieve anything unless you do it yourself the sooner you earn the right to be called a adult.

the best you can be called now is a whiny 5 year old.

I'm going to explain this to you once, because I get a little bored when you fools try to make this about me. This isn't about ME. I'm going to do fine in whatever society we have. I'm going to get up one more time than they knock me down.

It's about the kind of society we are going to have and what kind of society we are going to leave to future generations.

Your Republican "I've Got Mine, **** you" has brought untold misery to this country. It's time to write most of the politics post 1980 where we drank the small government koolaid off as a horrible idea, because it was.

 

[Skull Pilot]

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No one is stopping you from getting anything you want.

The simple fact is that the government doesn't give a shit about you and neither do most of the people on this planet.

The sooner you learn that and realize that you're never going to get anywhere or achieve anything unless you do it yourself the sooner you earn the right to be called a adult.

the best you can be called now is a whiny 5 year old.

I'm going to explain this to you once, because I get a little bored when you fools try to make this about me. This isn't about ME. I'm going to do fine in whatever society we have. I'm going to get up one more time than they knock me down.

It's about the kind of society we are going to have and what kind of society we are going to leave to future generations.

Your Republican "I've Got Mine, **** you" has brought untold misery to this country. It's time to write most of the politics post 1980 where we drank the small government koolaid off as a horrible idea, because it was.

You're doing it because you love to whine.

My boss fired me

Rich people fucked me over

And I am not have never been and never will be a member of any political party.

Only you sheep need to listen to idiot politicians to have a clue how to live your life.

Society is secondary to the individual not primary as you and your collectivist ovine buffoons seem to think

 

[Pogo]

If you all think PBS is so great then make it a paid channel like HBO.

Why should people who never watch that drivel pay for it?

The same goes for NPR. Put in on satellite and let the people who listen to it pay

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

I don't listen to commercial radio and I don't listen to idiot talking heads on the air either.

I tend to listen to Pandora internet radio or my own music.

And I'm fine with ending government public service announcements. The last thing I want to hear is some idiot government stooge or corrupt politician telling me what they think is good for me

PSAs really aren't done by or for the gummint. Not for any kind of policy. Nor are they paid for; PSAs are by definition free airtime.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm up in Wisconsin at my summer place this week. Do you know what 90% of the commercials on the Hate Radio station are?

you guessed it. Public Service Announcements paid for by the US Government.

Maybe we all should stop subsidizing your entertainment.

I don't listen to commercial radio and I don't listen to idiot talking heads on the air either.

I tend to listen to Pandora internet radio or my own music.

And I'm fine with ending government public service announcements. The last thing I want to hear is some idiot government stooge or corrupt politician telling me what they think is good for me

PSAs really aren't done by or for the gummint. Not for any kind of policy. Nor are they paid for; PSAs are by definition free airtime.

So then Joe was whining about PSAs paying for radio shows he doesn't like.

 

[Mr. H.]

Back when I was more right wing than I am now, I had a liberal buddy who volunteered to work at PBS for their telethons.

And the argument I made was that PBS didn't need donations and it didn't need a government subsidy. There are plenty of corporations that would happily put their commercials on the quality programming they were producing.

And back in the 1990's, I could point to The History Channel and the Discovery Channel and the Learning Channel and Arts and Entertainment and say, "See, these channels are producing quality education and arts programming and making a buck doing it. The Market Forces win again!"

Yup. I really used to believe that.

Flash forward to today.

The History Channel (which sometimes got called the Hitler Channel because of all the WWII shows) is now a mix of Paws Shops, Logger and trucker shows. Which have nothing to do with History.

The Discovery Channel, on the weeks they aren't doing Shark Week, do street racing, and shows about people who catch crabs in Alaska. (And I don't mean that as a visit with the Palin family.)

The Learning Channel- or Just TLC- They went gutter trash first. Jon and Kate + Eight, Sarah Palin, Midgets, and other trash.

Ah, but Arts and Entertainment. Oops, now it's Rednecks and Exterminators.

In short, the opposite of the argument I made with all sincerity. Once you are a slave to the bottom line, you lose your principles pretty quickly.

Good point. I never thought of it like that. I'm just as Conservative now as I was back in the 90's... when I volunteered at PBS during Telethons.

Go figger.

 

[JoeB131]

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You're doing it because you love to whine.

My boss fired me

Rich people fucked me over

And I am not have never been and never will be a member of any political party.

Only you sheep need to listen to idiot politicians to have a clue how to live your life.

Society is secondary to the individual not primary as you and your collectivist ovine buffoons seem to think

In short, you're a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone but himself.

We got that. Thanks.

 

[Sallow]

Back when I was more right wing than I am now, I had a liberal buddy who volunteered to work at PBS for their telethons.

And the argument I made was that PBS didn't need donations and it didn't need a government subsidy. There are plenty of corporations that would happily put their commercials on the quality programming they were producing.

And back in the 1990's, I could point to The History Channel and the Discovery Channel and the Learning Channel and Arts and Entertainment and say, "See, these channels are producing quality education and arts programming and making a buck doing it. The Market Forces win again!"

Yup. I really used to believe that.

Flash forward to today.

The History Channel (which sometimes got called the Hitler Channel because of all the WWII shows) is now a mix of Paws Shops, Logger and trucker shows. Which have nothing to do with History.

The Discovery Channel, on the weeks they aren't doing Shark Week, do street racing, and shows about people who catch crabs in Alaska. (And I don't mean that as a visit with the Palin family.)

The Learning Channel- or Just TLC- They went gutter trash first. Jon and Kate + Eight, Sarah Palin, Midgets, and other trash.

Ah, but Arts and Entertainment. Oops, now it's Rednecks and Exterminators.

In short, the opposite of the argument I made with all sincerity. Once you are a slave to the bottom line, you lose your principles pretty quickly.

Good point. I never thought of it like that. I'm just as Conservative now as I was back in the 90's... when I volunteered at PBS during Telethons.

Go figger.

Wait a minute..you did PBS Telethons?

I did too!

 

[Sallow]

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You're doing it because you love to whine.

My boss fired me

Rich people fucked me over

And I am not have never been and never will be a member of any political party.

Only you sheep need to listen to idiot politicians to have a clue how to live your life.

Society is secondary to the individual not primary as you and your collectivist ovine buffoons seem to think

In short, you're a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone but himself.

We got that. Thanks.

Ever notice how these 2 fisted "individualists" generally have some military background and/or work in a government job?