Paying reparations in America would be immoral- The reality of slavery in America versus everywhere else

[LeftofLeft]

Why do I need to? What country are we talking about in Africa?

The fact that any country or one country in Africa sold Blacks into slavery then and now does not bother you is beyond disturbing. You are just looking for a payout and willing to milk the US taxpayer. How much do you want? You are so adamant, let’s hear your figure.

 

[MizMolly]

They did it for your grandparents.

My grandparents came here in the early 1900s and were treated poorly for being Irish. I have not benefitted from slavery through my ancestors. I also descend from the Northern Potawatomi Native Americans. A lot of Blacks have white ancestors through consensual means.to say all whites today are responsible is so ridiculous.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The fact that any country or one country in Africa sold Blacks into slavery then and now does not bother you is beyond disturbing. You are just looking for a payout and willing to milk the US taxpayer. How much do you want? You are so adamant, let’s hear your figure.

See I have seen your foolish game too many times before, you try to take the focus from America where the crimes were committed and start saying, "What about Africa, what about Africa." Africa is a continent; what country or countries are we talking about in Africa?

 

[FA_Q2]

My grandparents came here in the early 1900s and were treated poorly for being Irish. I have not benefitted from slavery through my ancestors. I also descend from the Northern Potawatomi Native Americans. A lot of Blacks have white ancestors through consensual means.to say all whites today are responsible is so ridiculous.

This also does not include the myriad of Americans located in small, rural counties that have virtually nothing filled with very poor white people.

Some of them even have people in their past that directly benefitted from slavery but none of that exists for them today.

This is the prime problem with the term 'white privilege.' It ignores the myriad of people that are white and have no such privilege whatsoever.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Which really isn't the point. Think about the people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes and compensated to the tune of millions because they spent decades in jail. Would all those people have become millionaires? Who cares. The point is that the were victims of injustice. Asking what justifies it is missing entirely what justice even is. Justice is the act of righting injustice.

What would make them eligible for justice is having been victims of injustice.

If someone committed a crime and went to jail, they made a decision, but that is a different thing that this topic. You are trying to right a wrong for those held in slavery and their descendants along the way and any generational wealth they might have missed out on, plus atone for any harm caused by racism and discrimination. However in doing so, you can’t say that everyone who was touched by slavery or decades of discrimination would have been wealthy, because they wouldn’t have, even if they would have made it right after slavery had ended, there still would have been those who ended up in the same place.

Has every black eligible black person living today been hurt by racism enough that it justifies awarding them millions of dollars?

Also, where does it end? Since the claim is this is an ongoing problem..what about the young black children coming up today? Do all future generations get to claim this reparation? When they turn 18, we have them 5 million dollars? At some point, the reparations would have to be considered “paid”, but if people keep claiming that racism and discrimination is ongoing, then the recompense would also have to be ongoing?

I’m just not sure that would work, nor would it be sustainable. Again, think of the effect it would have on the economy, and every other non black citizen in the country.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

This also does not include the myriad of Americans located in small, rural counties that have virtually nothing filled with very poor white people.

Some of them even have people in their past that directly benefitted from slavery but none of that exists for them today.

This is the prime problem with the term 'white privilege.' It ignores the myriad of people that are white and have no such privilege whatsoever.

The big difference is, they were never denied the opportunities to those benefits. They were never subjected to the inhumane treatment and crimes that folks of color were.

 

[Curried Goats]

If someone committed a crime and went to jail, they made a decision, but that is a different thing that this topic. You are trying to right a wrong for those held in slavery and their descendants along the way and any generational wealth they might have missed out on, plus atone for any harm caused by racism and discrimination. However in doing so, you can’t say that everyone who was touched by slavery or decades of discrimination would have been wealthy, because they wouldn’t have, even if they would have made it right after slavery had ended, there still would have been those who ended up in the same place.

Why the hell does it matter if they would of been wealthy? The question isn't about whether or not they'd be wealthy but whether or not they were victims of injustice.

Has every black eligible black person living today been hurt by racism enough that it justifies awarding them millions of dollars?

It's right there in the word eligible you moron. The Black people who are eligible would be the black people who were victims.

Also, where does it end? Since the claim is this is an ongoing problem..what about the young black children coming up today? Do all future generations get to claim this reparation? When they turn 18, we have them 5 million dollars? At some point, the reparations would have to be considered “paid”, but if people keep claiming that racism and discrimination is ongoing, then the recompense would also have to be ongoing?

It ends when we end the injustice we inflict on people.

I’m just not sure that would work, nor would it be sustainable. Again, think of the effect it would have on the economy, and every other non black citizen in the country.

I don't care. I can see the effect discrimination and injustice has had on the black american community.

 

[Roy C]

You're the one who seems to be intimately familiar with their pricing scheme..... you're low key telling on yourself and too stupid to notice....

"pricing scheme"

 

[LeftofLeft]

See I have seen your foolish game too many times before, you try to take the focus from America where the crimes were committed and start saying, "What about Africa, what about Africa." Africa is a continent; what country or countries are we talking about in Africa?

It’s not about taking focus from America. I have clearly stated that my intention is to have African Nations, Tribes, Countries and whatever contributed to American Slavery to pay their SHARE of any proposed reparations that America decides.

The bottom line is that as angry as you are about American Slavery and Jim Crow, you should be equally angry at the African entities that headed up Atlantic and Western Slave Trade of Africans.

 

[FA_Q2]

The big difference is, they were never denied the opportunities to those benefits. They were never subjected to the inhumane treatment and crimes that folks of color were.

Yes, they were. Not slavery, but denied those benefits that minorities are denied today. Dismissed and trapped in areas with no education, no job prospects and no way to get out of the situation. Visit a small coal mining town and take a look around, those people do not have the ability to make enough money to move, access to any education to speak of or any of the standard opportunities that people in major cities get access to, even minorities.

That you do not seem to even be able to fathom this is no different than a white person making the same claim about minorities. I lived in one of these communities once and I have never seen anyone of color face even close to the same level of depravity. mostly because I never lived in places like south central LA where that kind of depravity exists within communities of color.

Statistically, blacks face more of this than whites. However, it is asinine to assume such problems do not exist within poor white communities as well and, by sheer numbers, there are even more of them.

 

[LeftofLeft]

See I have seen your foolish game too many times before, you try to take the focus from America where the crimes were committed and start saying, "What about Africa, what about Africa." Africa is a continent; what country or countries are we talking about in Africa?

Benin is a good African Country to start with given their roots in the North Atlantic Slave Trade.

 

[MizMolly]

The big difference is, they were never denied the opportunities to those benefits. They were never subjected to the inhumane treatment and crimes that folks of color were.

You said it….WERE. People today should not be compensated for things that were not done to them.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

My grandparents came here in the early 1900s and were treated poorly for being Irish. I have not benefitted from slavery through my ancestors. I also descend from the Northern Potawatomi Native Americans. A lot of Blacks have white ancestors through consensual means.to say all whites today are responsible is so ridiculous.

Nobody is saying whites today are responsible, we are speaking of the injustices and basic human rights that black folks were denied for centuries in this country.

It’s not about taking focus from America. I have clearly stated that my intention is to have African Nations, Tribes, Countries and whatever contributed to American Slavery to pay their SHARE of any proposed reparations that America decides.

The bottom line is that as angry as you are about American Slavery and Jim Crow, you should be equally angry at the African entities that headed up Atlantic and Western Slave Trade of Africans.

Not worrying about any African Nations, the injustices and inhumanity that black folks suffered in America was done at the hands of white America.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Yes, they were. Not slavery, but denied those benefits that minorities are denied today. Dismissed and trapped in areas with no education, no job prospects and no way to get out of the situation. Visit a small coal mining town and take a look around, those people do not have the ability to make enough money to move, access to any education to speak of or any of the standard opportunities that people in major cities get access to, even minorities.

That you do not seem to even be able to fathom this is no different than a white person making the same claim about minorities. I lived in one of these communities once and I have never seen anyone of color face even close to the same level of depravity. mostly because I never lived in places like south central LA where that kind of depravity exists within communities of color.

Statistically, blacks face more of this than whites. However, it is asinine to assume such problems do not exist within poor white communities as well and, by sheer numbers, there are even more of them.

Tell me the war that was fought to free whites from slavery, tell me the movement where whites had just to have basic civil rights. Whites have never suffered in this country what black folks had to endure and to try to equate the 2 is asinine.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Benin is a good African Country to start with given their roots in the North Atlantic Slave Trade.

So you have come up with one out of 54.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You said it….WERE. People today should not be compensated for things that were not done to them.

So why does America give so much money to Israel?

Why did America pay reparations to Japanese Americans in 1983?

Why did they pay Eskimos reparations?

Former slave owners were paid reparations.

Why does the hate for black folks run so deep?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Nobody is saying whites today are responsible, we are speaking of the injustices and basic human rights that black folks were denied for centuries in this country.

Not worrying about any African Nations, the injustices and inhumanity that black folks suffered in America was done at the hands of white America.

Bullshit. You are just looking for a payout and you know goddamn well America is a lot easier to shakedown vs. any African Nation. There is nothing more injust and inhumane than selling your own people into slavery; to another race no less.

 

[August West]

Could be. You may not think that more was needed but that is clearly false. We had Jim Crow for instance. Clearly more was needed no matter what you want to be true.

Jim Crow never actually died. A friend was in Charleston when Dylan Roof gunned down 11 Black women in a church. The local officials response was "we don`t need Jackson and Sharpton coming down here". I wonder if it would have been alright if they were off the streets before dark?

 

[August West]

So why does America give so much money to Israel?

Why did America pay reparations to Japanese Americans in 1983?

Why did they pay Eskimos reparations?

Former slave owners were paid reparations.

Why does the hate for black folks run so deep?

We give money to Israel just to provoke the extremist Muslims. If we don`t do that, it`s hard to justify spending 36% of the entire world`s military budget. We create enemies for a reason.

 

[FA_Q2]

Tell me the war that was fought to free whites from slavery, tell me the movement where whites had just to have basic civil rights. Whites have never suffered in this country what black folks had to endure and to try to equate the 2 is asinine.

You want to point to people that are not alive today, they are not relevant. What is relevant is how that translates into problems today.

Reparations are not to address the injustice of slavery. That is what the racists claim. They are to address injustices that have been created to day because of the problems of the past. Injustices like redlining that corralled black families into neighborhoods that do not have access to good education right now.

I don't care what dead black people faced and modern blacks deserve nothing whatsoever due to those dead people. What matters is that people have opportunity right now. The claim with reparations is that blacks do not have that opportunity because they are in poor neighborhoods, do not have access to generational wealth, do not have access to education opportunities, and generally do not have access to those opportunities that whites have.

And that is why I point to people that exist that also do not have that opportunity for much the same reasons.