Paying reparations in America would be immoral- The reality of slavery in America versus everywhere else

[Plagerist]

Ok guy literally fantasizing about me.

ok, white guy

 

[Curried Goats]

ok, white guy

It'll never stop being your literal fantasy.

 

[Plagerist]

It'll never stop being your literal fantasy.

Versus figurative, white guy?

 

[Curried Goats]

Versus figurative, white guy?

Exactly.

 

[Plagerist]

Exactly.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nope. I haven't even give a number. I said we should form a commission to determine the scope of the injustice. That is what will tell you what the compensation should be.

Because those should be simple enough terms for even you morons to understand and yet you keep coming back to me with your cosplay editorial of what you imagine I'm saying rather than addressing what I'm actually saying.

How do you accurately quantify the loss of George Floyd to his family? I don't think accurately is the appropriate word here. These are subjective matters. With accuracy impossible in every situation of victimhood the best we can hope for is to determine these things democratically.

Ok, and?

I have never heard one single black person in my entire black family tell me that justice is only served when black people are in total control and I'm supposed to believe you know how the majority of black people feel on this matter? All of the people in my family support democracy, not authoritarianism. Your cosplay arguments just end up making you look stupid.

1. No one ends up a millionaire naturally. The economy is not a natural system. It's an artifical one.

2. You don't know what the economic damage is so you can't rationally tell me what every eligible black person would receive.

3. It's also unlikely that Floyd's family would of become millionaires. It's the suffering of the injustice itself that earned them that money.

I don't know any problems would be caused. I don't operate based on your fearful fantasies.

Is what part of the deal? Putting up with your make believe arguments? Apparently.

Imagination is your thing homie. I do rationalization.

Because you imagine labor to be finite?

I don't have any choice but to accept the fact that you're going to put on a cosplay for me rather than a rational argument.

Because those should be simple enough terms for even you morons to understand and yet you keep coming back to me with your cosplay editorial of what you imagine I'm saying rather than addressing what I'm actually saying.

I’m not imagining what you are saying, I’m just trying to get your thoughts on the already proposed packages. That’s the problem, you’re not saying anything. It’s obvious you are passionate about this, and I find it hard to believe you haven’t thought about what a reparations package would look like, yet you seem to offer…no thoughts whatsoever about what it would look like. So, I bring up what other people are saying, trying to get you to comment on it one way or another and you don’t that either so..

How do you accurately quantify the loss of George Floyd to his family? I don't think accurately is the appropriate word here. These are subjective matters. With accuracy impossible in every situation of victimhood the best we can hope for is to determine these things democratically.

I have no idea, you’re the one that keeps bringing up Floyd. What I’m saying is the Floyd incident is not related in any way to a reparations package. We KNOW what happened to Floyd, so the compensation is pretty straight forward, whatever the family asks for and what the courts award. With reparations that go back hundreds of years, it’s not so straight forward.

I have never heard one single black person in my entire black family tell me that justice is only served when black people are in total control and I'm supposed to believe you know how the majority of black people feel on this matter?

Sure you have, you said it yourself in an earlier post, that reparations can end when the injustice ends. But since black people claim that racism is systemic and that the system is built around systemic racism, and apparently white people are the problem, then the only way to remedy that is to remove white people from those positions of power because while they are there, they will control the system of systemic racism…

You’ve been hearing it for years, you’ve just not been listening.

I'm supposed to believe you know how the majority of black people feel on this matter?

When they tell you, I guess you believe them.

No one ends up a millionaire naturally. The economy is not a natural system. It's an artifical one.

Sure they do, look at some of these people who started companies from nothing and are now billionaires.

You don't know what the economic damage is so you can't rationally tell me what every eligible black person would receive.

I can say that, had ever black person received just compensation after slavery ended, and if no discrimination happened after that, that every black person would not have ended up wealthy, or went to college, or owned a home..etc..

It's also unlikely that Floyd's family would of become millionaires. It's the suffering of the injustice itself that earned them that money.

Sure, and we can see that. Now, do you think every black persona has suffered injustice? Do you think they suffered injustice to the tune of millions of dollars or whatever the reparations package happens to be? How do you prove that? How do you measure the level of injustice each person has endured? Or do you simply say “any injustice no matter how slight should be awarded the full reparations package, same as someone who suffered much more injustice”?

I don't know any problems would be caused. I don't operate based on your fearful fantasies.

So then you’re just ignoring it. You don’t have any thoughts on what a just reparations package would be, you don’t have any idea of what the results of some of these proposals would be? For someone who wants to debate this, it appears you’ve given no thought to any of it.

Is what part of the deal? Putting up with your make believe arguments? Apparently.

This answers my lrevious sentence. You want to discuss this, but you’ve given almost no thought to any of it..

Imagination is your thing homie. I do rationalization.

Apparently not, as rationalization would involve some reflection on the topic.

Because you imagine labor to be finite?

Because when you inject tons of money into the system, and then millions of people leave the labor market, bad things tend to happen

I don't have any choice but to accept the fact that you're going to put on a cosplay for me rather than a rational argument.

And I don’t have any choice but to accept that you’re not going to put up..any argument at all…you want to discuss the topic but offer zero thoughts on it.

 

[Curried Goats]

I’m not imagining what you are saying, I’m just trying to get your thoughts on the already proposed packages. That’s the problem, you’re not saying anything. It’s obvious you are passionate about this, and I find it hard to believe you haven’t thought about what a reparations package would look like, yet you seem to offer…no thoughts whatsoever about what it would look like. So, I bring up what other people are saying, trying to get you to comment on it one way or another and you don’t that either so..

I already told you my thoughts. I suggest a commission to determine the extent of injustice so that we may understand what justice for Black Americans would even look like.

I have no idea, you’re the one that keeps bringing up Floyd. What I’m saying is the Floyd incident is not related in any way to a reparations package. We KNOW what happened to Floyd, so the compensation is pretty straight forward, whatever the family asks for and what the courts award. With reparations that go back hundreds of years, it’s not so straight forward.

And that's exactly why I propose the commission. So we can know the extent of the injustice.

Sure you have, you said it yourself in an earlier post, that reparations can end when the injustice ends. But since black people claim that racism is systemic and that the system is built around systemic racism, and apparently white people are the problem, then the only way to remedy that is to remove white people from those positions of power because while they are there, they will control the system of systemic racism…

You know what this paragraph is? Its you working yourself up in to a lather over your own silly cosplay. Stop trying to imagine how Black people feel or what Black people think and address the things I'm actually saying to you.

You’ve been hearing it for years, you’ve just not been listening.

I don't have voices in my head. That's a you problem.

When they tell you, I guess you believe them.

You've spoken to a majority of Black people?

Sure they do, look at some of these people who started companies from nothing and are now billionaires.

Which still does not make them natural billionaires. That's a nonsensical statement. The economy is an artifical creation. It's results can't be natural because it is unnatural. That's just simple fucking logic my guy.

I can say that, had ever black person received just compensation after slavery ended, and if no discrimination happened after that, that every black person would not have ended up wealthy, or went to college, or owned a home..etc..

Who gives a shit? The question isn't about whether or not they'd be millionaires and all about whether they were victims of injustice.

Sure, and we can see that. Now, do you think every black persona has suffered injustice?

Nope. I said from the start that as recent immigrants to this country that no one in my family has been a victim of American injustice.

Do you think they suffered injustice to the tune of millions of dollars or whatever the reparations package happens to be?

That's what the commission is supposed to find out.

How do you prove that? How do you measure the level of injustice each person has endured? Or do you simply say “any injustice no matter how slight should be awarded the full reparations package, same as someone who suffered much more injustice”?

How do you measure the level of injustice Floyd or Beonna Taylor's families endured? It's ultimately a subjective determination.

So then you’re just ignoring it. You don’t have any thoughts on what a just reparations package would be, you don’t have any idea of what the results of some of these proposals would be? For someone who wants to debate this, it appears you’ve given no thought to any of it.

I don't have thoughts on your fearful imagination, no.

This answers my lrevious sentence. You want to discuss this, but you’ve given almost no thought to any of it..

It seems you've thought so much about it that you've imagined yourself knowing how Black people feel.

Apparently not, as rationalization would involve some reflection on the topic.

I reflect on facts, not your flights or fancy.

Because when you inject tons of money into the system, and then millions of people leave the labor market, bad things tend to happen

Do they? Stimulus, can be a good thing if it's going back into the economy. People now have the money to buy the things they need or start a business. It can in fact spur economic activity and recovery.

And I don’t have any choice but to accept that you’re not going to put up..any argument at all…you want to discuss the topic but offer zero thoughts on it.

I'm not going to entertain your fantasies as if they are rational arguments, no.

 

[MizMolly]

So why does America give so much money to Israel?

Why did America pay reparations to Japanese Americans in 1983?

Why did they pay Eskimos reparations?

Former slave owners were paid reparations.

Why does the hate for black folks run so deep?

It’s not hate. You have not suffered through slavery. Many people have been oppressed for various reasons. Women for one, Jewish people, things change for the better, you move on. Why do you think you are owed anything?

 

[MizMolly]

Nobody is saying whites today are responsible, we are speaking of the injustices and basic human rights that black folks were denied for centuries in this country.

What restitution was given to black folks after slavery? 0.

What restitution was given to black folks after Jim Crow? 0.

You do not deserve restitution for what other people did not get.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

It’s not hate. You have not suffered through slavery. Many people have been oppressed for various reasons. Women for one, Jewish people, things change for the better, you move on. Why do you think you are owed anything?

Why did Japanese Americans receive reparations?

Why has America given Israel over 246 billion since the Holocaust?

Why did America give reparations to native Americans?

Why did America pay restitution to Eskimos?

Why did America pay restitution to former slave owners?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You do not deserve restitution for what other people did not get.

Do we deserve restitution for Jom Crow?

Oh BTW I came up at the backend of Jim Crow?

Have whites living today benefited from slavery and Jim Crow?

 

[MizMolly]

Do we deserve restitution for Jom Crow?

Oh BTW I came up at the backend of Jim Crow?

Have whites living today benefited from slavery and Jim Crow?

How many blacks today were affected by Jim Crow directly? Like I said, many people endured hardships because of laws and/or policies at the time. How have whites today benefitted any more than you? Women were denied rights. We don’t expect reparations.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

How many blacks today were affected by Jim Crow directly? Like I said, many people endured hardships because of laws and/or policies at the time. How have whites today benefitted any more than you? Women were denied rights. We don’t expect reparations.

Plenty. Are you saying whites living today have not benefited from slavery and Jim Crow? Why would whites expect reparations? You have never went through what black folks have. have

 

[Curried Goats]

It’s not hate. You have not suffered through slavery. Many people have been oppressed for various reasons. Women for one, Jewish people, things change for the better, you move on. Why do you think you are owed anything?

Jews are still receiving reparations for the holocaust from Germany.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182...st-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims

 

[ThisIsMe]

I already told you my thoughts. I suggest a commission to determine the extent of injustice so that we may understand what justice for Black Americans would even look like.

And that's exactly why I propose the commission. So we can know the extent of the injustice.

You know what this paragraph is? Its you working yourself up in to a lather over your own silly cosplay. Stop trying to imagine how Black people feel or what Black people think and address the things I'm actually saying to you.

I don't have voices in my head. That's a you problem.

You've spoken to a majority of Black people?

Which still does not make them natural billionaires. That's a nonsensical statement. The economy is an artifical creation. It's results can't be natural because it is unnatural. That's just simple fucking logic my guy.

Who gives a shit? The question isn't about whether or not they'd be millionaires and all about whether they were victims of injustice.

Nope. I said from the start that as recent immigrants to this country that no one in my family has been a victim of American injustice.

That's what the commission is supposed to find out.

How do you measure the level of injustice Floyd or Beonna Taylor's families endured? It's ultimately a subjective determination.

I don't have thoughts on your fearful imagination, no.

It seems you've thought so much about it that you've imagined yourself knowing how Black people feel.

I reflect on facts, not your flights or fancy.

Do they? Stimulus, can be a good thing if it's going back into the economy. People now have the money to buy the things they need or start a business. It can in fact spur economic activity and recovery.

I'm not going to entertain your fantasies as if they are rational arguments, no.

I suggest a commission to determine the extent of injustice so that we may understand what justice for Black Americans would even look like.

Studies have already been commissioned. You have no thoughts on those?

And that's exactly why I propose the commission. So we can know the extent of the injustice.

Studies have already been commissioned. You don’t have any thoughts on those?

You know what this paragraph is? Its you working yourself up in to a lather over your own silly cosplay. Stop trying to imagine how Black people feel or what Black people think and address the things I'm actually saying to you.

I’m not imagining anything, I’m listening to what they are saying.

Who gives a shit? The question isn't about whether or not they'd be millionaires and all about whether they were victims of injustice.

Because the studies that have already been done have suggested that the injustice is worth multiple millions of dollars to every black…NON IMMIGRANT…citizen of the subject of the study.

Nope. I said from the start that as recent immigrants to this country that no one in my family has been a victim of American injustice.

Good grief, when I say “black people” it should be obvious I’m only talking about those who would be eligible for the packages being proposed.

That's what the commission is supposed to find out.

Commissions have been seated, studies have been done…some of these studies recommend being used as a national model.

How do you measure the level of injustice Floyd or Beonna Taylor's families endured? It's ultimately a subjective determination.

“Subjective”…meaning “based on personal feelings”

The courts can determine the injustice and compensation for Floyd and Breonna based on the actions they can SEE.

I don't have thoughts on your fearful imagination, no.

Ok, you say “let’s leave it up to the commission”…what if the commission comes back and says reparations are not justified, or it’s just a minor compensation, would you have any thoughts on it then?

I reflect on facts, not your flights or fancy.

What facts? You haven’t given any. This entire discussion has been you basically saying “I don’t have any opinion on the already proposed packages are, let’s wait on some other commission to see what they say”

Do they? Stimulus, can be a good thing if it's going back into the economy. People now have the money to buy the things they need or start a business. It can in fact spur economic activity and recovery.

Yes, they do. What do you think would happen if you gave upward of 30 million people a bunch of money, free homes, free education? You think the economy is just going to stay the same? Of course not, things will get more expensive.

I'm not going to entertain your fantasies as if they are rational arguments, no.

I’m not asking you entertain anything, I’m just trying to get you to give a comment on anything that has already been proposed. You won’t do it.

 

[MizMolly]

Plenty. Are you saying whites living today have not benefited from slavery and Jim Crow? Why would whites expect reparations? You have never went through what black folks have. have

That’s my point. YOU have not gone through what black people went through during slavery or Jim Crow. White women were denied equal rights, no white women have their hands out for reperations.

 

[MizMolly]

Jews are still receiving reparations for the holocaust from Germany.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182...st-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims

They aren’t getting reparations from America.

 

[MizMolly]

Do we deserve restitution for Jom Crow?

Oh BTW I came up at the backend of Jim Crow?

Have whites living today benefited from slavery and Jim Crow?

I do not benefit from slavery or Jim Crow anymore than you do.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

That’s my point. YOU have not gone through what black people went through during slavery or Jim Crow. White women were denied equal rights, no white women have their hands out for reparations.

Hate to tell you this Molly, I grew up on the back end of Jim Crow, so get your facts right. White women in this country have never been treated like black women or men have in this country. Nowhere near it.

Why did Japanese Americans receive reparations?

Why has America given Israel over 246 billion since the Holocaust?

Why did America give reparations to native Americans?

Why did America pay restitution to Eskimos?

Why did America pay restitution to former slave owners?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I do not benefit from slavery or Jim Crow anymore than you do.

Of course, you have and do and you're a fool if you think otherwise.