Passion of the Christ: Most Beautiful Love Story of all time

[JenT]

Really? Somebody offered up themselves voluntarily to be beaten and scourged to the point of being unrecognizeable and then killed?

If Marquis de Sade had been given the option....

And even if so, it can't match what Christ did, because Christ was perfect, without blemish and undeserving of death. I don't think anyone can match what Christ began it with.

remember the whole 'sabbath' thing... ?

no, what are you referring to?

 

[JenT]

then there was God's commandments about washing you hands, which Yeshua, being Lucifer, overturned and sought to usurp

Yeshua is not satan, we already covered that didn't we?

 

[JBeukema]

Oh, and how can one honor their mother and father if

'If any man comes to me, and does not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yes and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.'

Luke 14:26

 

[JenT]

then there was filling a man's pigs with demons (instead of only one pig or banning them altogether) and destroying a farmer's livelihood

JB, what was a Jew doing with a herd of pigs in the first place?

 

[JBeukema]

then there was God's commandments about washing you hands, which Yeshua, being Lucifer, overturned and sought to usurp

Yeshua is not satan, we already covered that didn't we?

We did. I proved Yeshua to be Lucifer, one of his servants, or one under his control.

You had no refutation, so you disappeard

 

[JBeukema]

then there was filling a man's pigs with demons (instead of only one pig or banning them altogether) and destroying a farmer's livelihood

JB, what was a Jew doing with a herd of pigs in the first place?

Where does it say specifically that they were owned by a Jew?

 

[JBeukema]

jesus diosobeyed God's first commandment: be fruitful and multiply

 

[JBeukema]

He argued against the council that the Torah says is to interpret the law (god's ordained 'court') when called on one of his infringements of the sabbath...

 

[Shogun]

the real suffering He encountered could never be matched on screen.


perhaps.. but it CAN, and HAS been matched in real life by people who don't claim to be the son of a god. as if THAT is unique.

Really? Somebody offered up themselves voluntarily to be beaten and scourged to the point of being unrecognizeable and then killed?

And even if so, it can't match what Christ did, because Christ was perfect, without blemish and undeserving of death. I don't think anyone can match what Christ began it with.

agian, your opinion and belief do not trump facts. Jebus didn't invent the word Martyr. You ASSUME that the deification of jebus is true.. but, that kind of thinking didn't work out when it was thought that the earth is the center of the universe either. Again, consider the full range of torture devices coming out of the inquisition. Consider that jebus wasn't the first to fave the wrath of rome OR crucifixion. I realize that nothing will convince you otherwise but, regarding the movie, I think it a grossly misses the point of the example of his life. His sole lesson wasn't some "look at what I did for you" guilt trip. Hell, I'm an atheist and even I see this.

 

[JBeukema]

jesus called the scholar's snakes, violating Leviticus 19:32

 

[Anguille]

HA! yea.. the Marquis de Sade gives it 5 stars.


sheesh... If I slap a jesus sticker on a turd you people will insist that it's the greatest form of fecal matter ever pooped.

 

[JBeukema]

Jesus rejects as the 'traditions of men' the law of the torah given in Deuteronomy regarding ritual cleaning prior to eating

 

[JBeukema]

sheesh... If I slap a jesus sticker on a turd you people will insist that it's the greatest form of fecal matter ever pooped.

HOLY SHIT!!

 

[Anguille]

Jen,

You are a beautiful person, and you and I, among fortunately most people in my life are truly blessed with your sort of wisdom.


Anne Marie

Are you this humble in real life?

 

[JBeukema]

Acts 3:22 calls jesus a prophet

Matthew 23:34 gives a false prophecy, thus violating Deuteronomy 18:20


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well, Jen? We're awaiting your refutations...

 

[JBeukema]

Mark 7:19-15

jesus overturns the law of god given in Leviticus regarding clean and unclean animals

 

[JenT]

What you BELIEVE and what is fact are often two very different things. If you have any question about the range of torture to human beings that spring out of the inquisition then feel free to enjoy a book or two. Hell, people were busy getting crucified WAY before it happened to jebus. And, way after.

1. Were they perfect and sinless at the onset?
2. Did they volunteer so to pay for your sins?
3. Did they die and rise again?

If you don't think that being speared on a pole ala Vlad Tepes was no less agonizing than what a human jebus could feel then, truthfully, such an argument invalidates just how common of a human Jebus was anyway.

Common of a human being is exactly right. Kings are unapproachable, but Christ was to be approachable by all. Most common name of the time? Jesus. Born in a manger in a barn. The goal was that Jesus be approachable by everyone. God could have provided Him to be born as a king but He didn't. He came down in the lowliest form that all could approach Him, all.

Again, I promise you, what happened to jebus wasn't the epitome of torture. Hell, we was still alive enough to carry his own ******* cross!

Did you notice that an Ethiopian had to help him? (I think it was an Ethiopian...somebody, anyway)

Take a gander at any number of inquisition torture devices and TELL ME that it's possible to carry a cross down the street after experiencing torture device n.

Shogun, He was tortured to death. He was unrecognizable as human. There were hours of unrecorded time surrounded by experts in torture. And you want to quibble that you think you know of tortures worse?

You can believe what you want. but, belief didn't make the Earth the center of the universe either. But, if THIS is what your faith is hinged on - the brutality and suffereing applied to one man instead of salvation through love, then i'm not the one you should be feeling sorry for.

Darlin', what greater love is there than that He would lay down His life for us? How can we see things so differently?

Hell, Shindler's List made people cry too. That doesn't make it factual in the least.

Tears never do. I'm not trying to make anything real, I don't have that ability. I just know what focusing on what Christ did on the cross, even in a depiction, flooded me with gratitude and awe that felt cleansing.

If it appeals to your emotions and your christian identity then so be it... but if it's torture porn that really bolds the message of jebus for you then i'm glad I am not a part of it.

Do you think Christians are fascinated by the pain and suffering? Or by the reason He went through it? He bought us for all eternity, by His stripes we are healed. Why are you so bent on rejecting such an amazing gift by a Father who has been compared to standing at the road watching and longing to see you come home again?

ps, AGAIN, jebus wasn't the first or last human to claim to have been the progeny of a god or to have died for the sake of humanity. just sayin...

Oh I know, I think there are hundreds of recorded claims of people trying to make the claim of the prophesies, but only one could fulfill them all and He did.

And we're all waiting for Him to come back but first we have to wait for you.

 

[JBeukema]

All this of course, violates Leviticus 19:18, where one must rebuke one who violates the law...


OMG! LIKE JB IS DOING!!


Of course, jesus threw this aside, defending his actions and the xins of others


ironically, this means jesus "will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven" (Matthew 5:19

 

[Anguille]

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ahh shut up leg humper

I wish I could rep you again.

 

[JBeukema]

1. Were they perfect and sinless at the onset?

jesus was not sinless, as I continue to demonstrate

2. Did they volunteer so to pay for your sins?

Jesus din't volunteer; he asked god 'why'

3. Did they die and rise again?

there is no evidence that jesus did outside of your self-refuting 'holy' texts

How can we see things so differently?

because you're an ignorant fool?

Oh I know, I think there are hundreds of recorded claims of people trying to make the claim of the prophesies, but only one could fulfill them all and He did.

no he did not. He was a false prophet,as i have shown earlier in this very thread